Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Im 20 5' 9" 160lbs 10% bf. I eat in and around 2000 calories a day 4-5meals a day lots of lean protien, protien shakes and basicly only complex carbs. I work out religously 7 days a week 6 lifting alternating muscle groups with a little cardio on all those days and 7th day is a heavy cardio day. Im looking to cut more fat and get more ripped, adding some weight could be awsome but lean muscle maybe 5-15lbs. Physical drive is no problem ive actually went from 25% bf to 10% in id say 7 months lost muscle at the same time but not much. I heard of halotest 25 and got me really interested, would you guys recommend it considering id be my first cycle of this. Ive done some supps like ephidra, meltdown being the more intense ones but still nothing im looking for smoethin that i will SEE resluts.
Halotest 25
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na bro, wait another year or so and get everything dialed in, becasue i can already see that you are probably overtraining by going to the gym 7 days a week, you need to rest to grow bro. You need more calories to grow too, probs at least 3000 a day. Spend the next year or so on here absorbing as much info as possible and then when you are ready in a few years or so take the plunge, you can probably put on another 20 pnds at least natural before. Should have asked this first but what does your routine look like, lifting experince, diet?? Spend time on the weightlifting forum too bro, you will learn a lot and there is an abundance of experienced individuals that will surely help you.
KenBraggofCarroltonGA
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what he said
Ok so why the extra year (Im majoring in kineseology and goin to medschool so i know a lot)? monday wensday friday i do legs bies back, tuesday thursday and saterday i do chest shoulders. I alternate my days so example monday would be just free weights same on tuesday then ill do functional fitness exercise for that group on wensday and thursday then start the cycle over. I do abs every day one day heavy next day i do light ( based of the idea of running every day you train ur body and it gets used to it) I dont do abs on sunday tho. My cardio is every day run 15-20min on monday- saterday(interval) then on sunday i run 35min and then hop on the bike for 15min. Im eating about 160g of protein and ive took some nutrition classes taking in much more than ur body weight is actually considered toxic to you liver. My understanding is i need around 2000 calories, I could take in 3000 but im more concerned about cutting then bulking. Doesnt work for me I was 170lbs went up to 220lbs, got strong but i was fat now i just dropped to 160lbs and i lost more strenght but not to much considering the weight i dropped. If you guys dont recomend it thats fine but can you tell me a way to get ripped and a 6 pack. Im at 10% i should have one maybe not ripped up but there. My expericence level is 6 years of lifting spent my whole life in sports started football at 13 and soccer at 5 and skiing at 2 so i know about the science of sports. I curently help train college athelets.
KenBraggofCarroltonGA
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your 10% bf and can't see your abs?
Dude, for me i didn't have that visible abs until i started training them with heavy weights, 6-8 rep range, decline sit-ups with weight etc, and deadlifting really heavy. Since i began training my abs heavy even when im a fat bloated SOB they are visible. What i would do bro is clean bulk, get in all clean cals, casue you say you cant see your abs a 10 % (not accurate?), Lift heavy, focus on compound lifts, try to put on more size and abs will come. Then lose weight and cut down. When i was way younger i was skinny and didnt have abs either and always wanted to so i hit them as hard as they could and i saw improvement, but they didnt really pop out untill i began doing big lifts and high weight/low rep training for abs, just like any other muscle. Post up ur routine and we can help you out casue we dont really know what it looks like.
everything is wrong with your training and diet... not trying to be rude, just helpful...
you need to spend some time on the forums here and start over...
you need to eat more (but clean), and not train as often, but when you do you need to hit it hard...
hope to see you in the weightlifting forum....
you need to spend some time on the forums here and start over...
you need to eat more (but clean), and not train as often, but when you do you need to hit it hard...
hope to see you in the weightlifting forum....
bblazer
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The first advice I can give you is to check the ego at the door. You haven't even graduated from college but you are essentially calling yourself a pro. My BS, MS, and 30 years of competing and coaching trump your experience and anything you have learned thus far.
That said, you have some erroneous statements in your post.
Protein doesn't not damage the liver. If anything it can cause problems with the kidneys, but then only if there is another disease affect. This means that you need to (and can safely) eat 2g of protein per lb of body weight.
Also, you are too young for AAS because of two things. First, your growth plates have not yet, or have just fused, and your endocrine system has not yet "matured" after running you though puppetry. Additionally, there is no way that you have reached you genetic potential yet, and therefore there is no need for you to use drugs to aid your training. The very fact that you are asking about them now tells me that you are looking for a short cut to hard work and a good diet.
Finally if you want help with your training goals, we are happy to help in the training forum. There are many good guys there that have a tremendous amount of experience that will help you get where you want to be.
The bottom line is that taking AAS right now is not a good idea, and you should just forget about it for a while.
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Fair enof Im no expert as some here but i Know a lot i ment kidneys, my diet is as clean as possable honestly cant go cleaner. I dot belive in over training unless ur body lets u know by eather a) pain b) overall fatigue and not feeling good c) lack of imporvment in strenght. I have no pain feel better than ever and see improvments slowly but there. For abs i do hit them heavy and its an acutate bf% done by a pro athletic trainer. I didnt know dead lifts helped with abs, knew they helped for overall body, I do squats im not a huge fan of the dead lifts for the whole back and posture thing. I think im done growing i mean i havnt grown an inch in 4 years. My brain proably hasnt finished matureing ur right usually happens ages 21-24 depending on the individual. I thought ur perutitary gland was done around 17-18 and u started to see decline in test and gh by 20. plenty of studies show actually the most rapid decline at that age. Im not trying to take a short cut because ive WORKED MY ASS OFF for years, more so past 8 months. I missed id say 10 days in the past 8 months at the gym or some type of work out. Ive seen amazing resluts as i said before but ive kinda platued off and really cant seem to get a six pack. Im not saying i need this but i know idll help again maybe point me to something else that would do it.
If you are lifting chest/back/shoulders/arm/legs all 3 times a week, you are over training. More does not necessarily = better.
How can you possibly lift chest and shoulders every other day and expecting to recover? You aren't. Recovery takes much longer than that. That's acheing for a shoulder injury right there.
Believe in overtraining or not, you are lifting each body part way too frequently, thus you are overtraining. Opinions don't mean shit when the facts stare you in the face.
Do you know how often most guys here train one body part per week? 1 maybe 2 depending on how the schedule falls for the week.
2000 calories a day is how much my 115 lb, 50 yr old mother eats. Not even kidding.
You need to up the calories by 1000 (keeping it clean, and even throwing in some simple carbs/sugar post-workout), lift at the very most 1 body part every 4-5 days(Sure as hell not M/W/F or T/TH/Sat), yes every 4-5 days, and make those workout session much more intense. I have been lifting week-in and week-out without skipping a beat for well over 2 years and I am still sore because I push th elimits every time, and then give my body a week to recover for that part.
I'd lift 4 times a week instead of 6, and just do cardio those two days you are now no longer lifting.
That's my $.02
bblazer
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Again, you are over training. Period.
You are completely wrong about deadlifts.
Plateaus are taken care of by training and diet.
It is hard to help you, or take you seriously for two reasons.
1) You state way too many things as global facts, when they aren't.
2) You keep professing your education and knowledge but you can't write a complete sentence or even spell 50% of what you type correctly.
Also, you seem to be wanting to have all of this spoon fed to you. Than isn't going to happen here. Go read Rippetoe, Wendler, Delavier, Zatsivorky or Everett. After that, come back and ask questions about what you have read.
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KenBraggofCarroltonGA
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i've been working out for 12 years. have hit plateaus. have done many a different workouts , like many of the EF community. i remember the first years to where you would dream about lifting. it would occupy your mind all day. anyways. i've been on a 12 week variable training routine and can honestly say i've been getting soar every week. it's like i can feel the little rips in the fibers it seems. man, it feels good!
Listen to these guys, they have a vast amount of experience and are just telling you how it is, because they are right you really need to learn how to lift bro and 2000 cals is nothing, you should be losing weight with that, your body can barely perform all its necessary functions let alone maintain and add muscle to your body. When my cals are so low i cant think straight.
well ill say every one's body is different and I can tell u im not feeling like i over train you can read Advanced sports nutrition books and they will tell you when your over training. But Ill take ur $.02 on it and try lifting say bies back one day chest the next then shoulders and repeat with legs every other day...
Assuming no aas, you should only be in the gym 4-5 days a week (I do 4), an hour each time...that's all you need man, just give it time.
You can't hit shoulders one day and chest the next. You use shoulders in chest movements so by doing that, your shoulders are never recovering and thus you arent able to go 100% on chest days.
Legs are the biggest muscle and most important when working out, you don't need to do 3 or 4x a week thats crazy. Go hard on legs, 1x, 2x at MOST a week, always at the beginning of the week.
KenBraggofCarroltonGA
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I would try not to reply to posts from 2 years ago.
blue_steel74
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First and foremost, your too young for steroids. Take advantage of your natural levels right now and get your diet on track. And as far as your training goes, your way too overtrained for anything, whether its bulking or cutting. You need to get on a REAL training split rather than the one youre on, because no offense, but yours sucks. Once youve done those 2 things, then come back and talk to us about it. And another thing, if youre a true 10%, then you should have no problem seeing your abs
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