half lifes - blood levels - cycle recovery

[azdave]

I've been playing around graphing out blood levels of my next cycle, and I just want to see if I understand half lifes of steriods.

If you take a 500mg shot of test euthanate, 10.5 days later (the half life of euthanate esters) half of the testosterone has detached from the euthanate and become active in your body. That means there is still 250mg (I know, some of the weight is actually the euthanate ester) to be released into the bloodstream.

With common wisdom about starting clomid two weeks after your last shot, it seems like you would still have too much test in your system to allow for recovery. If you graph it, your test levels are actually a lot higher than 250mg since each shot you took on your cycle raised the level of test in your blood a bit more than the week before. When I graphed a simple test cycle like below:

w1 1000mg test euthanate
w2-8 500mg test euthanate

It actually looks like you should wait until week 13 or 14 before clomid. Anyone have some insight into this?

I just blindly used the two or three week rule on my prior cycles, but recently I thought of finishing my next cycle with 4 weeks of test prop and an oral before clomid. That would allow at least 4 weeks for the longer half life esters to clear my system.

 

[thx9000]

LOL, I posted something like this a few times. The posts basically got ignored.

Yes, you run the risk of ending clomid at a point when exogenous test levels are still high enough to result in inhibition once clomid ends. Sadly my guess is test levels might be high enough to inhibit natural test but too low to be of any real value for gains. Perhaps explains all the “its been two months after I finished clomid and I’m developing gyno now!” type posts that show up from time to time. You can deal with this by running clomid for a really long time (six instead of the standard three weeks) or by ending with prop then starting clomid.

I ended with prop, then went to HCG for two weeks and will be finishing clomid a total of 6 weeks after my last prop injection. I feel "safer" this way, not sure if its based on valid concerns though.

 

[azdave]

Oh well. I just feel like I crashed too much on my first two cycles, so I think maybe conventional wisdom is wrong on when to start post cycle recovery.

 

[thx9000]

I think you're right...

 

[Triple J]

I think you are right, too - also remember even prop has a half-life of 4.5 days so it does not clear as rapidly as one might think. There are formulas and calculations for graphing all this out, on the net somewhere. It is kind of complicated actually.