Hairy

[BigB_79]

I just took some post cycle pictures and I noticed that compared to my other pictures, my chest is alot more hairy than it used to be. I never heard of this side effect before. Anyone else get hairy from test? So we lose the hair on our head from AS, but we get hair on our chest. Thats fu**ed up.

 

[canadianhitman]

Just get waxed and forget about it.

 

[Surgical]

My back is A LOT more hairy than it was 6 months ago, before my highest dosage of test.

 

[Lumberg]

Dude, testosterone is directly and indirectly responsible for masculinizing characteristics. Body hais is a masculine characteristic. DO the math.

Also just as you grow older your body will get hairier, even without gear. It's just how it works fellas.

"In these times of toil and sin, a man grows bald, but not his chin."

Anyone that can get the attribution for that gets karma.

 

[meathead12]

"Within this vale
Of toil
And sin
Your head grows bald
But not your chin"

This is the actual sign...but its from old Burma Shave Billboardson the highway.
Don't as why i responded.

 

[Lumberg]

Good job meathaed.

 

[BigB_79]

Anyone ever use any of that hair removal stuff you see on tv?

 

[KA-BAR]

I dont like to use hair removal creames at all. They eat holes in me. Its not that hard for me to run a razor around my bod every 3-4 days or so.

 

[Mike00]

don't even waste your time with those chemicals to remove hair. I've tried a few different brands, and they all are really crappy.

First try, in a small spot, looks good. But then I try it on larger areas and it leaves big areas of "melted" hair.

My skin is sensitive, and if I apply it twice or leave it on for too long, my skin turns red and peels off. Yikes!

 

[Singleton]

Hypothetically, saw palmetto extract could help prevent excess hair.

DHT is responsible for the development of secondary sex charactersitics, including but not limited to enlargement of the prostate and penis, and body/pubic hair growth (what concerns you).

5-alpha reductase is an enzyme that convertst testosterone to DHT. Without 5-ar, you would have much less DHT.

5-ar has two types. 5-ar type 1 is found mainly in the sebaceous glands. 5-ar type 2 is found mainly in the prostate and scalp.

Finasteride (propecia) blocks only type 2, but saw palmetto extract blocks both types.

Saw palmetto can be a good addition to any man's supplement arsenal. It can increase longevity by preventing BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy), it can possibly prevent hair loss, it can possibly limit problems with body acne caused by sebum, and it might even prevent excess body hair.


Anyone else agree or disagree with this?

 

[dzuljas]

haha.......i know some kid who put nair ON HIS NIPPLES.......had a fuckin chemical burn, HILARIOUS

 

[Lumberg]

Hypothetically, saw palmetto extract could help prevent excess hair.

DHT is responsible for the development of secondary sex charactersitics, including but not limited to enlargement of the prostate and penis, and body/pubic hair growth (what concerns you).

5-alpha reductase is an enzyme that convertst testosterone to DHT. Without 5-ar, you would have much less DHT.

5-ar has two types. 5-ar type 1 is found mainly in the sebaceous glands. 5-ar type 2 is found mainly in the prostate and scalp.

Finasteride (propecia) blocks only type 2, but saw palmetto extract blocks both types.

Saw palmetto can be a good addition to any man's supplement arsenal. It can increase longevity by preventing BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy), it can possibly prevent hair loss, it can possibly limit problems with body acne caused by sebum, and it might even prevent excess body hair.


Anyone else agree or disagree with this?

now this is interesting. could also slow down male pattern baldness.

Stusdies on saw palmetto?

 

[deca_durabolin_]

Bump for interesting post.

 

[NapoleanComplex]

I noticed this too...got more hair after recent cycle. Sucks!!!

 

[Lumberg]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255283#newpost

 

[Singleton]

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:2byZOEKA8CoJ:www.naturalawakenings.com/asknov98.htm+dht+estrogen+prostate&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

DHT stimulates the cells of the prostate and results in the glandular enlargement. Of interest and importance is that this conversion of testosterone to DHT is enhanced by the presence of estrogens, the female hormones.

According to the author, E enhances the conversion of T to DHT.
The author did not provide a resource listing backing this claim up. Perhaps this is common knowledge. Or maybe it's a load of crap. It's not my area of expertise. Anyone here know?

Saw Palmetto also appears to limit the action of the DHT already present by an anti-estrogen effect. It acts more rapidly than Finastride, and several studies have demonstrated that it is superior to the pharmaceutical prescription medicine.

There are also numerous studies on medline - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Try searching for saw palmetto.
Here's one that concludes that saw palmetto reduces 5-ar:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11337315&dopt=Abstract


A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to determine the effectiveness of botanically derived inhibitors of 5-alpha-reductase in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia.

Shows the efficacy of saw palmetto as a 5-ar inhibitor.


The effects of transdermal dihydrotestosterone in the aging male: a prospective, randomized, double blind study used DHT for HRT in males with ED and low T. Prostate weight and PSA (prostate specific antigen) levels did not change in the DHT group.


In Transdermal estradiol therapy for advanced prostate cancer--forward to the past, Estrogen patches were used to treat advanced prostate cancer.

That's one study I wouldn't want to participate in.


I couldn't find any study to back up Patrick Arnold's article (taken from CLOBRO's reply on Lumberg's thread).

I found some pubmed listings with arguments which were presented with a weak degree of confidence (e.g. "this may suggest that estrogen is partially ..."), but no solid lab evidence.

Even PA gives a weak argument:

So apparently, estrogen is a causative factor in BPH or, probably more accurately, estrogen in the presence of a minimum, permissive amount of androgen.

So he's really saying here that he thinks maybe estrogen is necessary for growth, but that E doesn't necessarily cause growth -- and it doesn't, according to Transdermal estradiol therapy for advanced prostate cancer--forward to the past,.

Got to get back to lumberg's thread. Lot's of good questions there.