Gyno thread - info and questions

[Nathan]

Okay, so first of all if you have gyno-related stories (preferably involving a lump), post them up. The lump doesn't have to be huge or visible but I am still interested in hearing them. I think a compilation of anecdotes, what drugs were being taken , how bad the symptoms got, and then what was required to get them to go away (or if they never did then I guess state as much). I'd say gyno is one of the scariest, most unpleasant sides that stems from AAS use and after talking tos ome doctors about it, it doesn't seem nearly as terrifying as reading up on here makes it out to be.


As I mentioned, I spoke to a doctor and apparently more often than not, lumps subside or go away completely. In addition, if you live in Canada, the surgery is covered - apprently they are benign tumorous growths that the goverment will pay for you to have removed.

Now for a question:

Let's say someone ran nolva at 10-20mg ED for PCT for a couple of months, and then did a cycle using only arimi, could the nolva have desensitized the user to the anti-e effects of the arimidex? Let's say gyno started flaring up at about 6 weeks into a cycle. I think letro and bromo is the best choice to combat it, but would it be good to keep the nolva going as well or no? Basically, could the prolonged nolva use have made gyno symptoms come on any easier? And would continuing its use along with the letro and bromo be hurting things?

 

[georgie24]

Nathan i have had the surgery i dont have the time right now to write you a good response to your thread

Ill be back later

 

[Nathan]

Nathan i have had the surgery i dont have the time right now to write you a good response to your thread

Ill be back later

Thanks boss. Please do. I would like to try to compile a compilation of stories that might be useful for a search - every thread seems to offer up conflicting info which is good in some ways (everyone has a different experience), but I think a thread devoted to debunking some myths might be useful to some people on here. There are a lot of myths regarding gyno and I think it terrifies a lot of men, both ones who use and ones who do not. Any male can get it and it is not uncommon (though is obviously greatly more common in ASS users).

 

[brino]

hers my story. 2 years ago ran superdrol, got delayed gyno, fixed it with letro. It was puffy at first then a lump. Lump pretty much went away. Last cycle ran test5oo with deca at 300, week 3-4 started to get ichy, dropped deca and ran AIFM throughout and pct with letro no probs. This cycle, running test500,eq 600 and will end with tren a and igf. Week 7 and getting gyno symptoms, puffy and getting a lump, Am runningAIFM 2am/ 2pm. and Ltero at 1.25/day for last 7 days. I am gonna drop letro until pct, keep on the AIFM and my bromo should be here anyday. I beleive that ALL my gyno probs have been prolactin/progestin related as i have had the clear discharge and have kept estrogen in check. I will post again after bromo. Also i ran tren e b4 at 325 for 13 weeks and no probs but it was ran with primo at 200 week also. And my gyno is really not noticeable to anyone but my, my bf is 2.5 right now and i want to get to 9-10 at the end of my cycle. Hope thats enough for you.

 

[off_safety]

why is bromo so godamn expensive!?

 

[tshoot]

Got gyno the first time a couple of years ago about week 10 into my cycle - 4 weeks after adding Tren Ace to my Test E 600mg/Deca 400mg cycle. Never had it before and just noticed it one day. Small lumps on the lower outside part of my nipples - no real puffiness, just tender around the lumps. It wasn't really noticeable to anyone but me but weirded me out for some reason. I never really ran any AI on previous cycles but had Arimidex and Nolvadex on hand (back when Arimidex was the shit). It probably took about 4-5 weeks for it to mostly clear up. Didn't run an real cycles for 5 years (a couple of Anavar cycles but nothing else). Gyno seemed to have dissapeared completely.

Started up again this year and was running along fine with Test-E 750mg/EQ 400mg about 6 weeks into my cycle and added HCG (my doo-dads were starting to shrink) and Tren Ace (no Deca this time) and within 2 weeks it started back up again. Was running Arimidex at .25mg ED this time but did not stop it. Bumped Arimidex up to .5mg ED and did not seem to be affecting it at all. Started taking Letro at 1.25mg ED and it is starting to subside. I could have probably hit it harder with the Letro at 2.5mg but I wanted to see what dosage would shrink it so I would know what dosage I could run at a maintenance level next time. I could probably run the same combo with .5mg ED or EoD of Letro and not have any problems at all.

 

[samoth]

Interesing question. I've never heard anything about downregulation of estrogenic receptors due to the use of secondary drugs. Has there ever been shown to exist such a negative feedback mechanism for androgenic receptors? I wonder if one could draw an analogy there...

Try seeing if you can find some articles by Braunstein & Glassman or Millar. They should cover current therapy of gynocomastia in endocrinology and metabolism and some sports medicine stuff that might be pertinent.

 

[Nathan]

hers my story. 2 years ago ran superdrol, got delayed gyno, fixed it with letro. It was puffy at first then a lump. Lump pretty much went away. Last cycle ran test5oo with deca at 300, week 3-4 started to get ichy, dropped deca and ran AIFM throughout and pct with letro no probs. This cycle, running test500,eq 600 and will end with tren a and igf. Week 7 and getting gyno symptoms, puffy and getting a lump, Am runningAIFM 2am/ 2pm. and Ltero at 1.25/day for last 7 days. I am gonna drop letro until pct, keep on the AIFM and my bromo should be here anyday. I beleive that ALL my gyno probs have been prolactin/progestin related as i have had the clear discharge and have kept estrogen in check. I will post again after bromo. Also i ran tren e b4 at 325 for 13 weeks and no probs but it was ran with primo at 200 week also. And my gyno is really not noticeable to anyone but my, my bf is 2.5 right now and i want to get to 9-10 at the end of my cycle. Hope thats enough for you.

What is the difference between AIFM and regular anti-e's? AIFM is a brand name right? Could we drop brand names and discuss the actual compouinds involved? Is AIFM aromasin?

 

[Guinness5.0]

I couldn't help but notice that two of the above accounts combined either EQ or deca with tren. As I understand it, tren+eq or tren+deca are both recipes for gyno, at least to those prone to prolactin/progesterone gyno.

 

[jamesG]

why is bromo so godamn expensive!?

bromocriptine is pretty cheap. I have seen it for like 20-25$ for 30 tablets 2.5mg each. most people use 1/4 to 1/2 tablet per day.

 

[Nathan]

Got gyno the first time a couple of years ago about week 10 into my cycle - 4 weeks after adding Tren Ace to my Test E 600mg/Deca 400mg cycle. Never had it before and just noticed it one day. Small lumps on the lower outside part of my nipples - no real puffiness, just tender around the lumps. It wasn't really noticeable to anyone but me but weirded me out for some reason. I never really ran any AI on previous cycles but had Arimidex and Nolvadex on hand (back when Arimidex was the shit). It probably took about 4-5 weeks for it to mostly clear up. Didn't run an real cycles for 5 years (a couple of Anavar cycles but nothing else). Gyno seemed to have dissapeared completely.

Started up again this year and was running along fine with Test-E 750mg/EQ 400mg about 6 weeks into my cycle and added HCG (my doo-dads were starting to shrink) and Tren Ace (no Deca this time) and within 2 weeks it started back up again. Was running Arimidex at .25mg ED this time but did not stop it. Bumped Arimidex up to .5mg ED and did not seem to be affecting it at all. Started taking Letro at 1.25mg ED and it is starting to subside. I could have probably hit it harder with the Letro at 2.5mg but I wanted to see what dosage would shrink it so I would know what dosage I could run at a maintenance level next time. I could probably run the same combo with .5mg ED or EoD of Letro and not have any problems at all.

Your case, at least to me, looks to be mostly prolactin-related. I imagine the sides are going down now since you stopped the tren (took two weeks to start). Did you stop the tren before symptoms started going down at all?
If not, then either letro helped to suppress prolactin or your problem was estrogen-related.




By going over numerous cases like this, we can eventually start narrowing down what is going on. This isn't going to be perfect since we aren't doing a controlled study, but for our purposes I honeslty think it could be very helpful. So, having said that, thank you to everyone who has contributed so far.

 

[Nathan]

I couldn't help but notice that two of the above accounts combined either EQ or deca with tren. As I understand it, tren+eq or tren+deca are both recipes for gyno, at least to those prone to prolactin/progesterone gyno.

I thought all you needed to worry about with eq was estrogen-related side effects?

 

[Guinness5.0]

I thought all you needed to worry about with eq was estrogen-related side effects?

I base the comment you quoted strictly on anecdotal evidence. If there is reliable evidence to suggest otherwise I will not dispute it. I'm just sharing what I've heard.

 

[tshoot]

Your case, at least to me, looks to be mostly prolactin-related. I imagine the sides are going down now since you stopped the tren (took two weeks to start). Did you stop the tren before symptoms started going down at all?
If not, then either letro helped to suppress prolactin or your problem was estrogen-related.




By going over numerous cases like this, we can eventually start narrowing down what is going on. This isn't going to be perfect since we aren't doing a controlled study, but for our purposes I honeslty think it could be very helpful. So, having said that, thank you to everyone who has contributed so far.

I stopped the Tren soon after the Gyno started again - almost 3 weeks into the Tren @ 75mg every day. Suprising to me how fast the gyno came on from almost nothing to a fairly noticeable lump - maybe 1/2 pea-sized but not visible. I thought that since I wasn't combining the Deca and Tren - it might not re-occur.

 

[krishna]

I am trying to clear up my tren lumps as we speak (tren/mast/prov/dbol). I've been on .2mg of dos ed for about a week now and 2.5mg of letro. I also take aromasin or AIFM at night. Sometimes it seems like it's getting better, but sometimes worse. I know for a fact it's the tren because I only need a 1/4 of this much AIs to control for dbol gyno, and the rest of the shit I'm taking should actually help prevent it.

 

[Nathan]

I am trying to clear up my tren lumps as we speak (tren/mast/prov/dbol). I've been on .2mg of dos ed for about a week now and 2.5mg of letro. I also take aromasin or AIFM at night. Sometimes it seems like it's getting better, but sometimes worse. I know for a fact it's the tren because I only need a 1/4 of this much AIs to control for dbol gyno, and the rest of the shit I'm taking should actually help prevent it.

Sometimes it would go way down to nothing all day starting right in the am (no puffiness and the lumps go down), but then late at night come back with what feel like possibly bigger lumps again. That sort of thing?

Anyone else ever have that?

 

[Nathan]

^^^

 

[brino]

AIFM=atd&dhea but it is pretty good from my experience and others seem to like it as well. Question, Guinness 5.0 said that those combos seem linked to gyno, but if i cotinued my combo Test/eq/tren would bromo be enogh to keep gyno away? Or would it be smarter to trade tren for winny or somthing? Tren rocks but i dont need titties, thats why i have a wife.

 

[krishna]

Sometimes it would go way down to nothing all day starting right in the am (no puffiness and the lumps go down), but then late at night come back with what feel like possibly bigger lumps again. That sort of thing?

Anyone else ever have that?

Ya sometimes, that's why I take the other AI's at night. I tried taking another letro, but I was so tired and weak that it scared me, so I stopped. Now I only take 2.5 once a day, which is still a lot.

 

[Nathan]

Ya sometimes, that's why I take the other AI's at night. I tried taking another letro, but I was so tired and weak that it scared me, so I stopped. Now I only take 2.5 once a day, which is still a lot.

I hear you. By weak, do you mean light-headed?

Anybody else with this sort of thing ever happen? How long did it take to stop with any symptoms, and then for lumps to subside, if they ever did?

 

[krishna]

I hear you. By weak, do you mean light-headed?

Anybody else with this sort of thing ever happen? How long did it take to stop with any symptoms, and then for lumps to subside, if they ever did?

Feels a little better today. Maybe the dos is kicking in or something. Ya man I am so tired and weak from all the AI's that I can't even get off the couch sometimes. And ya, sometimes dizzy and light-headed. I take the dos when I wake up on an empty stomach, then I take the prov on an empty stomach. Then I eat, and an hour later, I take the letro. I've been alternating aromasin and AIFM at night when I go to bed. I think doing it this way is finally starting to help. The knots are still there, but they seem smaller, and the pain is getting less and less. I basically just need to keep them under control for another 2 weeks til I come off. They always clear up when I'm off if I do pct properly.

 

[Nathan]

Feels a little better today. Maybe the dos is kicking in or something. Ya man I am so tired and weak from all the AI's that I can't even get off the couch sometimes. And ya, sometimes dizzy and light-headed. I take the dos when I wake up on an empty stomach, then I take the prov on an empty stomach. Then I eat, and an hour later, I take the letro. I've been alternating aromasin and AIFM at night when I go to bed. I think doing it this way is finally starting to help. The knots are still there, but they seem smaller, and the pain is getting less and less. I basically just need to keep them under control for another 2 weeks til I come off. They always clear up when I'm off if I do pct properly.

How big do the lumps ever get? Does it get to the point where it is noticable and then go back down again so that you can't even tell?

 

[krishna]

How big do the lumps ever get? Does it get to the point where it is noticable and then go back down again so that you can't even tell?

I can always tell but nobody else seems to be able to. They're about the size of small peas.

 

[keepitreal]

what is the difference between estrogen gyno and prolactin gyno? what anti gyno drug is the most versitale? If you are running dbol and tren, are you taking two different antigyno drugs that act in different ways to combat the side effect?

 

[gjohnson5]

Gyno is an enlargement of the breast which can either by fat (pseudo-gynecomastia)
http://www.smartplasticsurgery.com/gynecomastia.html)
or legitimate breast tissue growth. A legitimate growth can be removed by the doctor cutting on top to the nipple and simple removing the growth. There's a video on youtube of a doctor doing it in 5 minutes...

Let's assume the gyno is cause by hormone imbalance. The only difference is the hormone imbalance which caused the gyno. I don't believe there is one drug that works in all cases since the hormone that caused the gyno is different. So the weapon of choice depends on the hormone which is elevated.

what is the difference between estrogen gyno and prolactin gyno? what anti gyno drug is the most versitale? If you are running dbol and tren, are you taking two different antigyno drugs that act in different ways to combat the side effect?

 

[Nathan]

If not a hormonal imbalance, what sorts of other things can cause gyno?

 

[gjohnson5]

http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/procedure_folder/male_breast/causes_of_gynecomastia.html

If not a hormonal imbalance, what sorts of other things can cause gyno?

 

[Wulfgar]

I seem to get gyno symptoms when I am off cycle. If I am on, they clear up. go figure

 

[ironclaw]

I couldn't help but notice that two of the above accounts combined either EQ or deca with tren. As I understand it, tren+eq or tren+deca are both recipes for gyno, at least to those prone to prolactin/progesterone gyno.

I thought while running eq it only converted to estrogen at a 50% rate compared to test. Does it also convert to prolactin? or is it only with the como of tren and eq?

 

[Mac173]

My last cycle was a test/tren/eq cycle.
test 500
eq 600
ace 50

I started the tren on wk 3 and was going to run it for 8wks. I started w/ 50ed for the first 5wks and then decided to bump it to 100ed. Within about a 1wk I had two lumps on one nip and one on another. They were about the size of bb's, but no puffiness at all.
I started using letro @2.5 eod and it seemed to stop it but not cure, but I only ran it for about 10 days and then I dropped the letro and the tren.
This was about wk 10 or 11.
I continued on w/ the test/eq and by wk 14 the lumps were completely gone.
I'm 3wks into PCT and everything seems to be fine.

 

[keepitreal]

is international mail order the most effective way to obtain the correct antigyno medication? This is why i asked my previous question concerning what anti-gyn med is most effective? I have been blessed with never having a gyno problem with all of the different geat I have taken, but that doesn't mean I'm not at risk at some point. I'm trying to anticipate the problem and have an inventory of meds avail, but I'm not sure which to buy. I understand now (Djohnson) that the med to treat tren/gyno is not the same med to treat dbol/gyno as is the same for test/gyno.........damn why does this have to be so complicated. Can someone match the correct drug to the specific tyoe of gyno for me

 

[Nathan]

is international mail order the most effective way to obtain the correct antigyno medication? This is why i asked my previous question concerning what anti-gyn med is most effective? I have been blessed with never having a gyno problem with all of the different geat I have taken, but that doesn't mean I'm not at risk at some point. I'm trying to anticipate the problem and have an inventory of meds avail, but I'm not sure which to buy. I understand now (Djohnson) that the med to treat tren/gyno is not the same med to treat dbol/gyno as is the same for test/gyno.........damn why does this have to be so complicated. Can someone match the correct drug to the specific tyoe of gyno for me

There are a few good links advertised here in the banners at the top of the page.

 

[Nathan]

No other experiences?

 

[bmcadoo44]

Gyno is an enlargement of the breast which can either by fat (pseudo-gynecomastia)
http://www.smartplasticsurgery.com/gynecomastia.html)
or legitimate breast tissue growth. A legitimate growth can be removed by the doctor cutting on top to the nipple and simple removing the growth. There's a video on youtube of a doctor doing it in 5 minutes...

Let's assume the gyno is cause by hormone imbalance. The only difference is the hormone imbalance which caused the gyno. I don't believe there is one drug that works in all cases since the hormone that caused the gyno is different. So the weapon of choice depends on the hormone which is elevated.

great find bro, this really helped me see if i have gyno or not. And as of those pics showed, im not even close.