Gyno on ostarine-- advice?

[Planteater]

This might not be an acceptable question here but I gotta try:

What do you recommend to counter effect gyno signs while on osta?

I have been on 25mg osta for 8-9 days, preceded by 7-10 days mucking around with natty boosters, which I discontinued 8-9 days ago.

I saw some pseudo-gyno like hints before starting osta, but chocked it up to imagination. the Imagination, if it was, continued on the osta.

I got great effects from the osta which people don't believe, I guess. EXTREMELY revved up at first, then settling down but good energy and mood. My overtrained aging muscles started to feel like new and capable of my regimen. By day 7, my typical weightlifter shoulder pain was gone (not like it felt healed forever, but it was just tamped down like a flame went out).
But at this point, for the last three days, my nipples are feeling warm, kind of achy. Not tingly or itchy. And I can see them through my shirt where I couldn't a couple weeks ago. This is what convinced me I am having a problem, along with the warmth and the fact they look smoother and almost Oilier or something. Sorry for the info.

I've started Dylan's rec of 5/5 daily forma squirts two weeks early, and may be adding Erase later. Shoulder is back but different than forma with no osta. I also am running dopamine enhancer (seligiline and macuna), and hcgenerate.

Probably the best thing I could do now is go on a cut, but I am pretty freaked and want to do more. I may have to stop the osta which sucks, because its great (even if no one believes me).

1. I was thinking of running nolva at low dose for the rest of the on cycle (6-8), maybe even lower than the usual rec 10mg ED.

2. Or, maybe changing to a hella run, then picking up osta low dose in pct with ai and serm in place, where it might not overcome these drugs, and in the meantimehope the hella doesn't effect my gyno-prone body. I would also be interested in other ph ds.

Keep in mind that I am 49 yrs old with 15% bf and unknown Blood if what I report doesn't fit with what is supposed to be reported with the products.

I have serms but not sure what is legit. Especially the nolva it was very inexpensive. Also spent hundreds on site sponsor products so I have a variety of things on hand.

So I'll put in my "Cardio Away the Moobs" DVD, and what else?

 

[Jbranken]

For those prone to gyno, experiencing sensitive nipples on ostarine isn't unheard of. It happens to me as well. A low dose of aromasin or forma will keep symptoms at bay. If the condition worsens, stop using the ostarine and concentrate on battling gyno. Using helladrol is definitely not the solution here. It will aggrivate it. Now that you know you're gyno sensitive, having letro on hand would be a smart idea as well

 

[Planteater]

Thanks for believing in my Moobs, man.
This sucks! I was thinking maybe a dry one like hella would be okay. Any disagreement out there?
Or is epistane better? Or maybe kantanadrol 3 (hate that it has caffeine tho)?

What sucks the most is I really like osta, and was looking forward to lgd too. Unfortunately gw and s4 are off limits for me.

Hope ai's and cutting bf works. Any one have thoughts on running low dose nolva on board? Either with osta or -- hoping against hope-- with lgd?

Thanks again for sharing your experience.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for believing in my Moobs, man.
This sucks! I was thinking maybe a dry one like hella would be okay. Any disagreement out there?
Or is epistane better? Or maybe kantanadrol 3 (hate that it has caffeine tho)?

What sucks the most is I really like osta, and was looking forward to lgd too. Unfortunately gw and s4 are off limits for me.

Hope ai's and cutting bf works. Any one have thoughts on running low dose nolva on board? Either with osta or -- hoping against hope-- with lgd?

Thanks again for sharing your experience.

bro, if your having gyno problems, starting another steroid is not the answer... that is only going to add to the problem... you MUST address the problem first before you do that... that's about the worst thing you could do and makes NO SENSE whatsoever... I would get on aromasin now as it seems like its not out of hand... if it worsens, then you absolutely must run letro... at this point, nolva is not the answer... it should have been started before but now aromasin is what I would recommend...

 

[northernknight]

I get the same kind gyno symptoms from Osta, (puffy nipples, etc.) which is kind of weird 'cos I'm usually not prone to gyno symptoms with any AAS. So the effects you described are not that rare, I'm also one of the unfortunate ones who love Osta, but have major problems running it. Samething with S-4, but thats a complitely different story, at least I get along with GW extremely well..

You got some great advice above, at this point you should start taking Aromasin, and if things still get worse jump on Letro and Nolva.

When I'll run Osta nest time, I've been planning to add low dose of Nolva on cycle (kinda like you mentioned) with added Aromasin at the end to stop Estro rebound from Nolva, and see will it keep gyno symptoms at bay. For me it makes more sense to use a Nolva while on Osta to prevent gyno symptoms over an AI, since SARMS don't directly aromatise (correct me if I'm wrong on something here). Of course one will have to get along with Nolva to use it for full cycle, but sides I get from it are next to nothing, and if gyno symptoms still arise AI is a must. I always keep Letro on hand, and allthough I hate the stuff it really works. Though, if it comes to point where I get gyno symptoms with SEMR & AI combination I will give up on runnig Osta... It's great, but not THAT great, lol!

 

[Planteater]

If I understand Dylan correctly nolva needs to be started early. My earliest concern was just days ago but got shot down when I brought it up then. It's only a couple days later, but I guess that's not early enough. Will start on the rest of the suggestion.

Wondering what aromasin does over forma.

Thanks too about the detailed experience that seems to match mine-- maybe in the future I too might not be gyno prone to aas but only to osta. So I guess running nolva with is not a totally stupid idea, just a question if it will be worth it. I wonder if high responders to osta would have more incidents. Makes some sense.

On another note today did only 12.5mg osta and some forma and there's less sensation, tho I didn't workout yet which increases it usually post.

 

[rustilldown]

If I understand Dylan correctly nolva needs to be started early. My earliest concern was just days ago but got shot down when I brought it up then. It's only a couple days later, but I guess that's not early enough. Will start on the rest of the suggestion.

Wondering what aromasin does over forma.

Thanks too about the detailed experience that seems to match mine-- maybe in the future I too might not be gyno prone to aas but only to osta. So I guess running nolva with is not a totally stupid idea, just a question if it will be worth it. I wonder if high responders to osta would have more incidents. Makes some sense.

On another note today did only 12.5mg osta and some forma and there's less sensation, tho I didn't workout yet which increases it usually post.

It's never too late to start Nolva. It will work faster than any other compound as it will immediately attatch itself
To estrogen floating around in the chest. But I prefer low low dose letro over anything to prevent any water weight. .6 mg eod works for me.
Adex and Letro work faster than aromasin but aromasin is a healthier option out of all of them in my opinion, just takes longer to build up in my blood it seems.

 

[dylangemelli]

i like aromasin because its a suicide inhibitor as opposed to adex which is only a suppressor... i see so many guys still get gyno problems with adex... its just like anything else though, we all respond differently to different things and you just have to test it to see what works best for you... when i take aromasin, i can tell its working within a day or two but like rustilldown said, for him, it takes a while... it is like this with so many things because of the complexity of our make up...

 

[northernknight]

I also prefer to use Aromasin over any other AI, for same exact reasons that Dylan described above. Though according to what I have red it takes a few weeks for Exemestane to reach peak concentrations, and achieve the maximum efficiency level, so Rustilldown is also right.

Yet I don't think that one should need get the maximum effect from any AI on ordinary cycle with doses that can be considered normal, or he will easily end up crushing Estrogen completely.

For comparison to Exemestane, Letrozole takes a few months before it reaches peak concentration, but it's rarely run with maximum potential it has, for example 4-6 months with 2.5-5 mg ED dosing, unless you are taking it to get rid of gyno, in that case some of the more "severe" cases can take long time to achieve results, but I believe it's still rarely needed for such a long duration. When Letro reaches full potential it will reduce Estrogen to extremely low, in some cases to undetectable level (!), and if I remember correctly in the study where Letro deceased E2 to undetectable level dose used was on lower side, maybe 0.2-0.5 mgs. Point here being just how incredibly powerful this stuff is.

Personally I don't like to use Letro as my "on cycle AI" or in PCT, again it comes down to individual response from every drug/chem/herb on the planet. Letro has so strong effect to me, which can be felt almost immediately after taking it even with 0.2 mg dosing, that I can't use it in same way like Rustilldown said above. On the other hand it's good to know that I respond to it so well in case I need it, so I always have it on hand.

Aromasin has been my AI of choice since I first tried it. It does what it's supposed to, has no side effects that would be worth mentioning, and it's easy to decide dose according to cycle. When on cycle feedback from my body will help to determine if dose needs to be adjusted, since I know the drug and how it effects me very well by now.


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[rustilldown]

One thing I really like about aromasin is I don't get the dry eyes feeling like Adex gives me. If I use aromasin I just start at the beginning of cycle so I don't have to worry about it taking too long to kick in for me. Everyone reacts different to everything. 9/10 times forma Stanzol is all I use.