Gyno from everything :(

[guntherzwartz]

I had gyno in puberty, and had some small problems with it during most of the cycles I did in when I was in my 20s.
But over the last 10 years or so the lumps disapeared almost completely.
But now when I would like to shape up a bit at close to 40 its worse than ever.
First I did a 50mg ed Winstrol cycle for 3 weeks while I was waiting for Primobolan tabs, then I took 50mg ed of those for the last week.
1 week after the last Primo tab the gyno came back big time, and in the week it took me to get some anti estrogen the lumps were larger than I think they ever have been.
Managed to reduce them some with Letro, Ari and Aromasin.
Then to try to find out what the hell was going on I started up with 50mg ed Primo tabs and in under 1 week the gyno started up again.
Tried 40mg ed Anavar for 2 days, no change.
Switched over to 50mg ed Winstrol for 1 week and the pain went straight away, ended off with some anti estrogen.
Started up again with 100mg eod Masteron and 0,5mg ed Letro and 100mg ed Primo tabs and after just 2 days my nipples was hurting again.
Stopped Primo and switched over to 1mg ed Ari.
After 4 days when my nips was ok again, I tried 40mg ed Turinabol, 2 days later my nips was hurting again.
Switched over to 50mg ed Winstrol and the next day everything ok.
Today 3 days later while still running 50mg ed Winstrol I took 20mg Turinabol at 1500, then 10mg at 1700 and at 1800 my nips start to hurt!!!!
This while I have injected 650mg Masteron, eaten 6mg Ari, 6mg Letro and 150mg Winstrol during the last 9 days!!

What the hell is going on here guys?

 

[theperfectdrug187]

My .02= with all the headache and frustration you're experiencing and loot going into anti-As... it may be time to look at surgery. I have a couple buddies with the same problem, and that's where they're looking into.

Good luck with everything.

 

[guntherzwartz]

I am just going to add a couple of kgs thats gotten lost during the years and then maintain.
It's no problem to keep the gyno under control, and as long as it doesn't hurt I really don't care. I don't have much fat there so no one notice it, at least none have done in the past.
But I always like to know why and how things happen.
And also since I want to find some AS that I can continue to use in the future, this are my mission at the moment.
So far I have found out that Winstrol works perfect and Masteron also seem to work fine.
The only problem with these 2 are that while I respond very well, feel good and manage to put on ok amount of meat with Winstrol.
I don't like the 17aa part and it sometimes hurt my joints.
The Masteron are better there.
But this is the first time I try it and at least after 1,5 weeks, I can't say that I have noticed anything at all similar to the effect I get on Winstrol.
So if the pace doesn't pick up it would had been nice to find another substance that I could use.

 

[DannoMight]

sounds like its time to cut those titties out

 

[Mavafanculo]

Primobolan - methenolone - should be the last thing that would cause you gynecomastia trouble.

dihydrotestosterone based, doesnt aromatize, doesnt activate the progesterone receptors...

It may not be Primobolan - methenolone -

 

[b_light]

The way i'm looking at it now is its gonna happen and get worse so once it gets bad enough get the shit cut out, not worth messing around with anti e's if you just gonna continue to cycle heavier and heavier.

 

[airsmith2k]

if get it cut out can it come back? dont know much about gyno because i never have it no matter what i take

 

[702daswoll1]

Let us know when you start lactating cuz I would like to post it up on youtube if you dont mind.

 

[holy ghost]

down in a cigar, roll me up and smoke me

 

[nzrodney]

Swoll & Ghost you are so dam understanding of Bros in trouble with their titties. Ya Bitches!

 

[nzrodney]

I am just going to add a couple of kgs thats gotten lost during the years and then maintain.
It's no problem to keep the gynecomastia under control, and as long as it doesn't hurt I really don't care. I don't have much fat there so no one notice it, at least none have done in the past.
But I always like to know why and how things happen.
And also since I want to find some AS that I can continue to use in the future, this are my mission at the moment.
So far I have found out that Winstrol works perfect and Masteron also seem to work fine.
The only problem with these 2 are that while I respond very well, feel good and manage to put on ok amount of meat with Winstrol.
I don't like the 17 alpha-alkylated part and it sometimes hurt my joints.
The Masteron are better there.
But this is the first time I try it and at least after 1,5 weeks, I can't say that I have noticed anything at all similar to the effect I get on Winstrol.
So if the pace doesn't pick up it would had been nice to find another substance that I could use.

It maybe that you have both lump gyno & prolactin gyno. THe lump gyno should have been treatable with the AI regime that you have applied but if reversal has not been sucessful with letro @ 2.5mg ED you may face the prospect of surgery to correct this. However, you complain of sore nips which can be prolactin based esp if they get puffy as well or you get swollen glands under the pecs which you can feel & is painful or sore to touch. Probably the best case treatment for this is a combination of AI & A-dex or Letro together with a hyperprolactinemic treatment like Dostinex at .25mg EOD. I have prolactin problems & I have found that I have had good success with OTC 6OXO Extreme & also Formadrol Extreme about 5 caps ED for about 4 days kicks mine while on cycle. cheers,nz

 

[guntherzwartz]

Feels like a combination like you say yes, but I never had any problems with lactating.
Anyway I guess I will try to run the combination of Masterone and Winstrol for 3-4 weeks, and then continue with only Masterone for 1-2 weeks after that.
Then I should have managed to pack on the last kgs I am missing.
And if that combination works out ok, and my liver values are pretty ok, I guess I will just stay with running one of them or a combination in the future.

The lump stuff are about 1inch by 2 inches in size by the way but the size changes.
Its always more tender, sore and larger during the day than in the morning and evening, and the right one are the worst.
Doesn't go so good together with my work as a driver, where the seatbelt goes over my right chest

It maybe that you have both lump gynecomastia & prolactin gynecomastia. THe lump gynecomastia should have been treatable with the aromatase inhibitor regime that you have applied but if reversal has not been sucessful with Femera - letrozole - @ 2.5mg ED you may face the prospect of surgery to correct this. However, you complain of sore nips which can be prolactin based esp if they get puffy as well or you get swollen glands under the pecs which you can feel & is painful or sore to touch. Probably the best case treatment for this is a combination of aromatase inhibitor & A-dex or Femera - letrozole - together with a hyperprolactinemic treatment like Dostinex at .25mg EOD. I have prolactin problems & I have found that I have had good success with OTC 6OXO Extreme & also Formadrol Extreme about 5 caps ED for about 4 days kicks mine while on cycle. cheers,nz

 

[Trendsetter21]

Try Andriol. The users of Andriol therefore do not experience feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia or increased body fat.This makes it a welcome alternative for athletes who have problems with the common injectable testosterone compounds. Due to this, Andriol is also suitable for pre competition workouts. An additional advantage of Andriol is non-aromatizing quality consists of the fact that the body"s own hormone production is only affected after a long-term administration of very high dosages.

Andriol is Testosterone Undecanoate made by Organon. You take it orally and is the only oral Testosterone pill around currently. The other suggestion of surgery is a great idea. If you are that prone to it I would say screw it and get the surgery. But here is another option if you don't want that........but if Primo is giving you Gyno, I would suggest the surgery.

 

[georgie24]

i get itchy nips off anything even primo, i also had puberty gyno then the surgery a few years ago,,,,,,still get itchy nips however!

 

[bmcadoo44]

bro, i did a pretty hard cycle last january and my gyno slowly got worse and worse. I tried AIFM, aromasin, nolvadex, letro, cabaser and nothing worked. Go to your doctor and do not tell him you have used steroids, tell him it is either hereditery or you got it during puberty and he will refer you to a surgeon and more than likely your insurance will cover it.

I told my doc that i had done roids and he said that my insurance wouldnt cover it, and he reffered me to them and i was denied. I found a new doctor and the surgeon has me scheduled for surgery december 17th with insurance covering it.

good luck with that shit and i will never touch trenebolone or deca/npp ever again.

once i get out of surgery, i will be hitting up some test prop,masteron and either winstrol or anavar.

 

[guntherzwartz]

Managed to keep my gains training clean, but have been losing around 1 lbs each time I have been sick, and can't regain those.
So I have now started up with 50 mg Winstrol ed to get back up again. My plan is to stay on for around 4 weeks, then start on some Ari and maybe some Nolva as well, when I go off the Winstrol.
Hope I will manage to keep it under control this time.
Then later on I will try some Clenbuterol for the first time, and see if that can get rid of some of the fat that have accumulated on my chest.