gyno flare up

[MXEng10]

or atleast I think it is, never had one before. Nipples are slightly enlarged, left one is a little tender, and right one looks like a puff of water is under it.

Stats
6'2"
215 lb
11% bf
5th cycle

500 mg test cyp /wk
500 mg eq/wk
50 mg dbol/day

this is my first time using orals, not sure if 50 mg/ day is too much. I have Aifm, nolva, and proviron on hand. Have been taking 60 mg nolva the last two days, and just upped my aifm to 2 pumps/day, one at night and one in the am. Should I quit the orals or atleast lower the dosage? I have done plenty of cycles before consisting of mixtures of Test E, Deca, and Sust and have never had any probs w/ gyno.

thanks for the help fellas
-MX

 

[lartinos]

You need a strong AI, aromasin is the ticket.

 

[Cutt29]

2 pumps a day on 50mg of dbol is not enough, i am on nearly the same cycle right now only with 30mg dbol and usin 3 pumps AIFM twice a day and .5mg adex

 

[macrophage69alpha]

agree that 2 pumps per day is not enough with that cycle in general and definitely not with the added 50mg of dbol. It appears that you were using 1 pump per day prior to that which is generally not enough except for mild cycles or people with very low aromatase levels.

would up the AIFM dosage to 4 pumps per day. Stop the dbol for the time being, once you normalize you can reintroduce the dbol and slowly increase the dose (start at 20mg per day). it will take several days to see the increased effects of your upped dosage as the estrogenic metabolites of dbol take a while to get out of your system.

 

[Kachunga]

I am using 3 squirts AIFM, 1ml AGguys letro MWF, 1 ml AGguys adex TThS and my gyno has virtually disappeared.

 

[NURSEPIMP]

I am using 3 squirts AIFM, 1ml AGguys letro MWF, 1 ml AGguys adex TThS and my gyno has virtually disappeared.

What are you running in your cycle??

-NP

 

[odoyal rulez]

I do 4 pumps daily of AIFM and gyno is afraid of me like kryptonite.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I do 4 pumps daily of AIFM and gyno is afraid of me like kryptonite.

 

[boston789]

See below for my current cycle...I am using 4-5 pumps per day of AIFM. I think its pretty safe to say that I hate gyno, hate being bloated and dont want my nipples to leak again!

 

[UA_Iron]

Drop the dbol if you're that worried about it.

That stuff is rough on the nips.

 

[niv]

or atleast I think it is, never had one before. Nipples are slightly enlarged, left one is a little tender, and right one looks like a puff of water is under it.

Stats
6'2"
215 lb
11% bf
5th cycle

500 mg test cyp /wk
500 mg eq/wk
50 mg dbol/day

this is my first time using orals, not sure if 50 mg/ day is too much. I have Aifm, nolva, and proviron on hand. Have been taking 60 mg nolva the last two days, and just upped my aifm to 2 pumps/day, one at night and one in the am. Should I quit the orals or atleast lower the dosage? I have done plenty of cycles before consisting of mixtures of Test E, Deca, and Sust and have never had any probs w/ gyno.

thanks for the help fellas
-MX

did you always use and AI through out your previous cycles?? (not pct just the cycles)

 

[MXEng10]

never, all previous cycles were all injectable all the time... lol, well twice a week ofcourse, after this week I only have 4 days left of 50mg dbol, so I was thinking of stopping after this week. I will up my aifm dose to one pump in the morn, one in the afternoon , and two pumps around the nips before i hit the sack at night, and keep up with the 60 mg nolva /day. gonna lower the dose of bol to 40mg/day i suppose.

thanks for the help guys, much appreciated as allways
-MX

 

[Kachunga]

What are you running in your cycle??

-NP

currently 1g of sustanon ew, 75mg of tren ace eod, 5 iu of hgh ed and 100 mcg of igf1lr3 ed. But i have been on 1 g of test ew since august

 

[MXEng10]

gonna drop the dbol down to 10-20 mg/ day till gyno subsides... is this ok, or should I drop it completely. Upped to 4 sprays a day of aifm, and 20 mg nolva 3 x a day.

thanks
-Mx

 

[NURSEPIMP]

currently 1g of sustanon ew, 75mg of tren ace eod, 5 iu of hgh ed and 100 mcg of igf1lr3 ed. But i have been on 1 g of test ew since august

Nice, I am going to try you Anti E dosages...

Thx

-NP

 

[macrophage69alpha]

combination AI therapy CAN be very effective, not necessarily needed. all AI's have different tissue permeability and affinity which can make a difference. Also the competives tend to suppress sulfatase to nothing even at low doses (so if sulfatase is an issue, not common but it can be) even adding a low dose of dex or letro to aromasin or AIFM can make a big difference.

though generally reccomend stacking for treatment of gyno, not as ongoing (except in ultra gyno prone) preventative therapy. as this generally will suppress estrogen too far. though if issues appear, it can be very effective.

use of nolva in addition can be of benefit (though primarly through its activites other than E blocking) so long as progestins are not implicated or even recently used.

also keep in mind nolva's rediculous half life (if it causes issues they will be with you for a while)

 

[MXEng10]

thanks macro, drop the dbol or what?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

for now, though you can also reduce the dosage. Its really up to you. reccomend dropping until you see some resolution, but...

 

[MXEng10]

thanks for the help, I'm down to 20 mg/ day now... 5 pumps of AIFm throughout the day, along with 60 mg/ nolva if I dont see any changes tomorrow night, bol is gone, so are those awesome pumps and 10 lb increases on the bench per week....

 

[Kachunga]

Nice, I am going to try you Anti E dosages...

Thx

-NP

Only necessary if you have gyno. I never ever had a prob with gyno and then one day I felt the muthaf#^ka growing so I jumped on everything I had. And its working thank God.
As MAC said combination therapy probably not needed but I freaked and threw the house at it.
So if your just preventing rather than suppressing I would pick one and use it religiously.