I started at 16. Had a Dr give me oral Winny. Dr asked me what I wanted and I hadn't done the research to have a real discussion with him and was nervous to ask for too much. After gaining nothing...I did my research and next time I went it, I came away on Anadrol ($42 for bottle of 100 from Syntex), Test Cyp at 200mg per week (around $30 vial) and Anavar ($48 per bottle of 100 at 2.5mg). I can say that I enjoyed those days and I wish I could get that pricing now. Keep in mind this was in the late 80s when Drs could do that. Do I regret it....I wish I would have waited. Prostate is the size of an oil tanker. I may have been a little taller and not on Cholesterol and BP meds now. I was growing just fine before I started them. I thought I would be an animal. My diet was jacked up and my training was not focused. I was looking for a shortcut. I know now that I'm older, there are no shortcuts in life.