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Guys, Went to the Doc...How bad is it??

lawnsaver

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Guys, I got my test levels done, because I have some atrophy in one of my testicles.

My total test was 195, with my free test at 7.5

I really dont know how bad that is, but I no its low. What is average?

He prescribed me some testosterone gel, so we will see. My sperm count was 35million with a 65% mobility.

He also said he will put me on clomid when I'm trying to have children.

Whats the bottom line??
 
Are you on cycle or recently off? Tell us a little more about your history.
 
lawnsaver said:
Guys, I got my test levels done, because I have some atrophy in one of my testicles.

My total test was 195, with my free test at 7.5

I really dont know how bad that is, but I no its low. What is average?

He prescribed me some testosterone gel, so we will see. My sperm count was 35million with a 65% mobility.

He also said he will put me on clomid when I'm trying to have children.

Whats the bottom line??


Normal is ~300-800, but you want to be at least 600, hopefully higher.

Give us some more info, like your last cycle and more importantly, how you came off (ie clomid, hcg, etc.)

Mine was 105 when I came off Deca all wrong. I took clomid, ZMA, tribulue, vitex, and anything else I could get my hands on. It went up to 395 in one month, and to 650 in two months.

Check this out.

I got this from T-Mag :

Brian's "Fertile Again" Formula

1. If you're not already doing it, start taking HCG straight away. Keep with three shots of 2000-2500 IU per week and stick with this figure. Don't discontinue using HCG during your period of attempted conception. Prolonged use of HCG has been demonstrated to induce testicular steroidogenic desensitization; therefore, withdrawal could induce regression, as you'll possibly end up relying on HCG to stimulate production. The recommended dosage is sufficient and less likely to cause the previously mentioned situation, with higher dosages producing only a slightly higher response. In fact, dosages in excess of 5000 IU have been demonstrated to elicit a lower response.

2. Take Nolvadex throughout the entire period, 10 mg first thing in the morning and last thing at night.

3. Take Tribex-500 in a cyclic pattern, 3 weeks on, 1 week off. Five capsules, taken twice per day, is recommended. Our initial blood work with this product showed an average 300% increase in LH! In most instances of steroid-induced infertility, HCG therapy doesn't elevate FSH levels; however, Tribex-500 definitely will do this. I know a pro bodybuilder who still had an almost non-existent sperm count after four months on HCG. After one month on Tribex-500, his count was within normal parameters.

4. Take ZMA as recommended as low zinc levels are common in infertility cases.

5. Acetyl-l-carnitine, 4-5 grams taken on an empty stomach, is also recommended, due to its ability to improve sperm motility. Putting it in a fizzy, sugary drink will probably help absorption.

6. After one month, start taking 75 IU of Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) three times per week. After two months, increase this to 3 x 150 IU.

7. Although not conclusively proven to benefit fertility, GH is worth taking in low dosages during this period. If you have to take medication to reduce prolactin, this will also stop GH production. You should definitely take GH in this situation.

8. Melatonin is another worthwhile addition, mainly for its implications in reducing stress, a major factor in improving fertility rates. Its ability to aid with sleep patterns will help regulate the endocrine system.

9. Cut out any toxic factors that can affect fertility, like alcohol, cigarettes, and recreational drugs. Also, consider carefully any supplements that you may use to prevent muscle loss. Nor-andro products should be avoided, but sensible dosages of 4-AD (Androsol) may offer some benefit by supplying an androgenic influence. Don't take GHB or GBL, as these will elevate prolactin.
 
I have been off for at least 6 months. I used clomid, hcg, and proviron when I came off. I have used MDMA and GHB off and on. About 1 year ago, I suffered atrophy in one of my testicles. It never came back. Its about half the size of the other. I just recieved a prescription of androgel for 3 months.

Will the androgel suppress me more or will it help. I want to cycle again, but I dont want to lose my fertility, which is still good.

I have access to all ancilleries, including clomid, hcg, and arimidex.

I love training and gear and dont want to stop.
 
lawnsaver said:
I have been off for at least 6 months. I used clomid, hcg, and proviron when I came off. I have used MDMA and GHB off and on. About 1 year ago, I suffered atrophy in one of my testicles. It never came back. Its about half the size of the other. I just recieved a prescription of androgel for 3 months.

Will the androgel suppress me more or will it help. I want to cycle again, but I dont want to lose my fertility, which is still good.

I have access to all ancilleries, including clomid, hcg, and arimidex.

I love training and gear and dont want to stop.


I'd hit the clomid and arimidex for 2 weeks and start taking ZMA immediately. I dont think HCG would help since you have been off for six months. Then go back and get your levels checked next month and see if there is any improvement. If they havent, you may want to see an endocrinologist.

It really comes down to if you want to have kids or not. If you do, then dont take any gear, or androgel, until your test is back to normal for 6 months.
 
lawnsaver said:
I thought urologists are the docs I need?

I will use the androgel for now and see what happens.


Urologists specialize in the urinary system, kidneys, bladder, penis, etc...

Endorinologists specialize in the endocrine system, which includes hormones like test and estrogen.

If you had got hit in the balls or something and had low test then the urologist may be the best one, but if you natural production is low due to synthetic inhibition, you need an endocrinologist find out why they are not producing.

I believe that is correct, but definately check anyway. You dont want to go to a urologist only to find out you need to see and endocrinologist. I dont know about you, but I want as few dudes touching my nuts as possible. :sperm: :sperm:
 
Immortal Juicer said:



Urologists specialize in the urinary system, kidneys, bladder, penis, etc...

Endorinologists specialize in the endocrine system, which includes hormones like test and estrogen.

If you had got hit in the balls or something and had low test then the urologist may be the best one, but if you natural production is low due to synthetic inhibition, you need an endocrinologist find out why they are not producing.

I believe that is correct, but definately check anyway. You dont want to go to a urologist only to find out you need to see and endocrinologist. I dont know about you, but I want as few dudes touching my nuts as possible. :sperm: :sperm:


LOL...good point. I think I should ask my Doc to recomend an endorinologist. Thanks for your suggestions!
 
another thing...

Take the androgel if you want, but I would at least call and ask my doc about inhibition. Remember, Androgel is prescribed for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), RINTRT - Roid inhibited natural test recovery therapy.

I know for a fact that I know more about AAS than 90% of doctors in the US. Not that I'm smarter than them, oh hell no, because it is not taught in med school and juice is not prescribed for anyone other than for the purposes of HRT. Thats why you need to see and endocrinologist, they are the only ones that have that kind of advanced knowledge of sex hormones.

Just because your doc said to take it doesnt mean it is the right thing for you to do.
 
lawnsaver said:
Guys, I got my test levels done, because I have some atrophy in one of my testicles.

My total test was 195, with my free test at 7.5

I really dont know how bad that is, but I no its low. What is average?
See, this is why you pay a doctor. Ask him/her these kinds of questions. If I was to go to the doc and find something was wrong, I'd be pumping the guy for info for all he's worth.
He prescribed me some testosterone gel, so we will see. My sperm count was 35million with a 65% mobility.

He also said he will put me on clomid when I'm trying to have children.

Whats the bottom line??
Find yourself a good endo and make clear that you want to restore your natural test production.
 
lawnsaver said:
Your absolutely right! I tried pumping him for info and seemed like he didnt want to spend the time with me.

See, they try to avoid talking about shit that they don't have the slightest clue about! ;)
 
Maxx Out said:


See, they try to avoid talking about shit that they don't have the slightest clue about! ;)


Primum non nocere
First, do no harm.

Thats the medical creed. That is why they avoid talking about steroids, not because they have no clue about them - they are medical doctors.

In the US, MDs treat patients solely to help sick patients back to normal health, or as a preventative analysis - a check up. They do not help normal healthy individuals, get better than normal.


If you want to be superman, you have to do it yourself!
 
As someone who has been there--androgel only puts off the inevitable-and that will have to be addressed- otherwise andogel could be the rest of your life.
 
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