Guys, are you for or against the Star Wars program?

[Johnnny]

I read about this when I was a kid in the 80's not too long after Return of The Jedi came out.

I thought this was cool that they were going to have weapons in space but that was all I understood as I was only 6 or 7yrs old.

After the Super Bowl at my friends one of the guys went upstairs to his apartment & brought down this updated documentary about the Star Wars program where the US Military wants to put satellite controlled Nuclear weapons in outerspace to control what goes down on the planet below.

They are doing this b/c no one owns outerspace & no one else has done this yet.


They had launched something into space as a test that contained the nuclear element Uranium & it exploded during launch releasing the Uranium in the air. I forget the year this occured.

But they if the Star Wars program is passed will be able to send a nuclear warhead to any where on the planet with a few flick of switches & keys.


Personally I think it's going too far & I think it's just so Bush's military buddies can get rich off of it.


I don't doubt there will be some of you who support this & I can see why as they propose positive intentions, but is it really worth our health?

What if there was a malfunction in outerspace & one of these nuclear weapons exploded, some of the radiation I'm sure would come back down to earth.

What are your opinions?

 

[bluepeter]

Dead against.

 

[Megalomaniac]

Ahhhhh, we already can put nuclear weapons anywhere with the flip of a switch. As far as space goes, the US does own it. If you don't believe this than why does everyone have to ask for our approval on usage? I mean you can launch without it but there will be consequences. (This isn't a bad thing in my opinion, there has to be regulation)

 

[curling]

It would be good to have to stop missils from rogue contries like North Korea and all those other little piss ant countries. But I sure hate spending that much money on weapons instead of feeding hungry people of the world.

 

[Y_lifter]

It would be good to have to stop missils from rogue contries like North Korea and all those other little piss ant countries. But I sure hate spending that much money on weapons instead of feeding hungry people of the world.

How many starving Children could be fed on the cost of 1 custom chopper ??

 

[Zebo]

I thought this was cool that they were going to have weapons in space but that was all I understood as I was only 6 or 7yrs old.

Ouch. Thanks. I think I need my nap now.....

 

[curling]

How many starving Children could be fed on the cost of 1 custom chopper ??

probably two I heard those kids can eat alot.

 

[canadianhitman]

If it can be done, it's a good idea. Prevents a nutjob like Kim Jong Il from doing something insane.

 

[bluepeter]

If it can be done, it's a good idea. Prevents a nutjob like Kim Jong Il from doing something insane.

Are you for Canadian involvement in it?

 

[curling]

Are you for Canadian involvement in it?

As an american I am. It is time for Canada to start helping us pay for your protection too.

 

[WODIN]

Biggest fucking waste of resources and money in history.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I love it. Do it as soon as possible. Yesterday even.

Why? People criticized the space program too, said it was a huge waste of money, nevertheless, it is responsible for most of the technology we take for granted today. The rest comes from the DoD.

It will only lead to more technology. You can debate the value of trickle down economics, but not of trickle down technology.

More abstractly...American military superiority is a good thing, for Americans.

 

[bluepeter]

As an american I am. It is time for Canada to start helping us pay for your protection too.

lol, I am so sick of hearing that nonsense.

Yeah, Canada is such an international bully that dozens of countries want to extract some blood from them so it's a good thing the United States protects them.

The US doesn't protect shit. Canada is not a country that stirs negative emotions and our foreign policy is offensive to no one other than George Bush.

 

[curling]

lol, I am so sick of hearing that nonsense.

Yeah, Canada is such an international bully that dozens of countries want to extract some blood from them so it's a good thing the United States protects them.

The US doesn't protect shit. Canada is not a country that stirs negative emotions and our foreign policy is offensive to no one other than George Bush.

But don't forget a foreign country could invade you for ya'll famous bacon.

 

[bluepeter]

But don't forget a foreign country could invade you for ya'll famous bacon.

lol, I don't eat swine so can't comment

My point is that Americans often gleefully point out our lack of a military and how we get away with that because of their presence. We get away with it because that's exactly how many Canadians want it and because we are generally fair and unbiased in our dealings internationally. That is not to say that a rogue nation couldn't invade us but the chances are slim to none.

 

[EnderJE]

Why? People criticized the space program too, said it was a huge waste of money, nevertheless, it is responsible for most of the technology we take for granted today.

I like it for that reason as I seriously doubt any "shield" type benefits that the weaponization of space will provide.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I like it for that reason as I seriously doubt any "shield" type benefits that the weaponization of space will provide.

Internet
cell phones
satellites and related technology
many medicines

all of these are derived from space / military research.

It isone of the few useful government expenses.

 

[EnderJE]

Internet
cell phones
satellites and related technology
many medicines

all of these are derived from space / military research.

It isone of the few useful government expenses.

I'm not arguing that the weaponization of space will have many downstream benefits (new tech, more advances, etc); I'm just doubting if it will provide that "security" blanket that people think it will.

 

[Y_lifter]

F'n Direct TV you bitches..

 

[john937]

All those technology advancements could be gained from space exploration.
we don't need to develop better bombs in order to trickle down better cell phones.
In all the tests of trying to shoot down a test drone, I think they've actually
managed to hit 1, count em, 1 target.
As soon as we get the hit ratio higher, at a cost of billions, our enemies
can simply devise new payloads that send out lots of decoy payloads,
and our hit ratio goes right back to zero.

 

[Y_lifter]

I think John Lennon had it right all along..

Imagine..

 

[manny78]

Are you for Canadian involvement in it?

Yes.

 

[bluepeter]

Yes.

I knew what your answer would be.

So you are for a program that would cost us tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars, doesn't work and is inherently dangerous? Your province better start paying taxes.

 

[manny78]

I knew what your answer would be.

So you are for a program that would cost us tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars, doesn't work and is inherently dangerous? Your province better start paying taxes.

I believe we dont need the type of army we have right now. We could cut cost by reducing its size and keep only an elite force. Just look at our crappy submarines. That money could have been spent on the Star War program instead.

 

[jerseyart]

Everything is a waste of money until its needed.

The idea that "MAD" is a sound basis for international security strikes me as lunacy. It isn't anything more than a policy of desperation.

A few airliners were crashed into buildings and it cost this country hundreds of billions in hard costs and economic losses.

What would be the effect economically of a single nuclear warhead detonating in a major US city, not even counting the human costs. Then tell me its too expensive

 

[Testosterone boy]

I think we should use out slush hydrogen (something like that) technology to build heat seeking missiles capable of Mach 10 or better.

Launched from Hawaii, Alaska, Canada, England, Greenland etc. They would form a formidable defence against one methodology for delivering nuclear payloads.


If we really wanted to be safe however....we would be good neighbors.

If I felt even more threatened...I would seek safe refuge in a country with minimal defence that had no enemies.

 

[manny78]

If we really wanted to be safe however....we would be good neighbors.

But this is not going to happen so better make up your mind.

 

[Mr. dB]

I love it. Do it as soon as possible. Yesterday even.

Why? People criticized the space program too, said it was a huge waste of money, nevertheless, it is responsible for most of the technology we take for granted today. The rest comes from the DoD.

It will only lead to more technology. You can debate the value of trickle down economics, but not of trickle down technology.

More abstractly...American military superiority is a good thing, for Americans.

I agree. And the "big physics" required to make Star Wars work will require education and research grants that will pay off for the next century.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I agree. And the "big physics" required to make Star Wars work will require education and research grants that will pay off for the next century.

MTS already told us why he likes the program....a few years ago.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

I don't know, I suppose if N. Korea launched a nuke ill be wishing we had it. But on the other hand I thought an entire fleet of nuke subs that we now possess,that can deliver a nuke anywhere on the planet within minutes,and-without exagerating--has the capability of blowing up planet earth 10,000 times over was sufficient. So saying that I have to conclude this is another program that's more about $ than anything else.

 

[canadianhitman]

Are you for Canadian involvement in it?

Absolutely....it won't cost us a cent....Americans will foot the bill and pay for upkeep/staffing. After all, they're the ones who want it so badly. This is a fringe benefit for us too; think, if the USA ever got nuked, the fallout would most certainly affect Canadians too. I'm all for star wars and/or missle defense system(s).

 

[jerseyart]

I think we should use out slush hydrogen (something like that) technology to build heat seeking missiles capable of Mach 10 or better.

Launched from Hawaii, Alaska, Canada, England, Greenland etc. They would form a formidable defence against one methodology for delivering nuclear payloads.


If we really wanted to be safe however....we would be good neighbors.

If I felt even more threatened...I would seek safe refuge in a country with minimal defence that had no enemies.

Been there done that

Thats proven to be the most inane approach to peace ever devised.

Weakness, not strength, invites conflict. See WW1 and WW2 for recent evidence of same

 

[bluepeter]

I believe we dont need the type of army we have right now. We could cut cost by reducing its size and keep only an elite force. Just look at our crappy submarines. That money could have been spent on the Star War program instead.

I agree with cutting the crap and keeping a small elite force. The submarine expenditure was a another in a long line of ridiculous moves by the Liberals. However, regardless of what is done along those lines, we do not need to be involved in a program like this that is outlandishly expensive, doesn't work, is very dangerous and would just escalate another arms race.

If the US wants to do it, go ahead. Our government better keep us and our money out of it.

 

[Y_lifter]

Our Attack Subs put the Russian Boomers in dry dock..
I think it was worth it.

 

[john937]

A few airliners were crashed into buildings and it cost this country hundreds of billions in hard costs and economic losses.

What would be the effect economically of a single nuclear warhead detonating in a major US city, not even counting the human costs. Then tell me its too expensive

How does Star Wars help protect us from a terrorist carrying a nuclear bomb in a suitcase or container cargo?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Been there done that

Thats proven to be the most inane approach to peace ever devised.

Weakness, not strength, invites conflict. See WW1 and WW2 for recent evidence of same

yo....I didn't say to dismantle the military and start smoking peace pipes.


Our enemies are targeting us because they hate us. Hatred becomes overpowering and reason is left behind.

 

[jerseyart]

How does Star Wars help protect us from a terrorist carrying a nuclear bomb in a suitcase or container cargo?

It doesnt, but thats a false argument. Each threat needs to be guarded seperately. You dont ignore one because it doesnt solve the other.

N Korea and several other countries are and have been devloping long range strike capabilities. It is still the most effective means of delivering the payload, which is why they spend huge numbers in resources attempting to gain the capability.

 

[Razorguns]

we've spent trillions already on war. what's a trillion more, honeslty? The fact the missle is a bit higher up in the air then usual really makes _that_ much of a difference???

 

[EnderJE]

I believe we dont need the type of army we have right now. We could cut cost by reducing its size and keep only an elite force. J

AMEN!

 

[Johnnny]

I honestly am skeptical about this also.

In regards to protecting us against terrorists on the ground, apparently the equipment they will have is they will have is "I believe" that will be able to detect nuclear devices on the planet down below even when the owners of the nuclear weapons & devices think they are hidden.

But indeed very skeptical.

 

[Sean Scott]

Pro Star wars

 

[vigilante]

Machines have to much control already, why give them anymore????


DIDNT ANYONE ELSE WATCH TERMINATOR 3!!!!!!

 

[milo hobgoblin]

LOL Canada is just another state. That country is so god damn reliant on the US.. its a joke for them to even claim independence.


and as far as Star Wars.. The trickle down technology from other space programs is more than enough.. Star Wars is a complete waste of money and juts like Satelite technology.. it will be abused by our government to spy on and control its own citizens.

and BTW Star Ware technology still doesnt work.... The cost will far outwiegh the benefits if any.


The next nuclear weapon to go off especially if it occurs in the US will be hand carried and not fired by some missile.

 

[bluepeter]

LOL Canada is just another state. That country is so god damn reliant on the US.. its a joke for them to even claim independence.


and as far as Star Wars.. The trickle down technology from other space programs is more than enough.. Star Wars is a complete waste of money and juts like Satelite technology.. it will be abused by our government to spy on and control its own citizens.

and BTW Star Ware technology still doesnt work.... The cost will far outwiegh the benefits if any.


The next nuclear weapon to go off especially if it occurs in the US will be hand carried and not fired by some missile.

Yes, the technology doesn't work.

No, Canada is not just another state. Don't insult us.

 

[vigilante]

really though, the plantets our goverments little bitch in such situations

I mean uranium being released into the atmosphere, sad thing is shit like this happens all the time, us humans are like a fucking virus, consume,multiply,repeat

 

[vigilante]

also canada is its own country, They arent perfect, but look at us, we are the last country who should be judging ---there IS more to world govt. then just USA ya know.

piece by piece we are decaying, on every aspect, we wont last,cant, its been sealed by decades of pure idiocy. doesnt matter though, fuck the world I say, the world needs a ripe fucking

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Bluepeter.. If the US suddenyl dissappeared tomorrow.. Canada would collapse... its not a point even worth arguing.

If Canada disappeared tomorrow... 90% of Americans wouldnt even notice.

 

[bluepeter]

Bluepeter.. If the US suddenyl dissappeared tomorrow.. Canada would collapse... its not a point even worth arguing.

Bullshit.

If Canada disappeared tomorrow... 90% of Americans wouldnt even notice.

Very true. This would also be true of 90% of Americans if any country in the world disappeared. Point?

 

[canadianhitman]

Bluepeter.. If the US suddenyl dissappeared tomorrow.. Canada would collapse... its not a point even worth arguing.

Are you clueless? It would hurt, no doubt, in the short-term...but we do enough international trade to keep afloat. And lord knows we have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves for the next few millenia; do a little search on the Alberta oil sands. Now, think: we have one of the largest oil resources in the world, and it's just been sitting there largely untapped all these years while the Middle East has been bled dry. We're sitting pretty up here, believe me.

 

[bluepeter]

Are you clueless? It would hurt, no doubt, in the short-term...but we do enough international trade to keep afloat. And lord knows we have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves for the next few millenia; do a little search on the Alberta oil sands. Now, think: we have one of the largest oil resources in the world, and it's just been sitting there largely untapped all these years while the Middle East has been bled dry. We're sitting pretty up here, believe me.

Exactly.

 

[jerseyart]

The entire world benefits from the Pax Americana ina myriad of often unremarked ways.

Taking the current status quo and imagining you can remove the US, and maintain anything resembling the current norm, is absurd.

 

[bluepeter]

The entire world benefits from the Pax Americana ina myriad of often unremarked ways.

Taking the current status quo and imagining you can remove the US, and maintain anything resembling the current norm, is absurd.

Of course you couldn't maintain 'the norm'. However, the premise that Canada would collapse is equally absurd.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Are you clueless? It would hurt, no doubt, in the short-term...but we do enough international trade to keep afloat. And lord knows we have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves for the next few millenia; do a little search on the Alberta oil sands. Now, think: we have one of the largest oil resources in the world, and it's just been sitting there largely untapped all these years while the Middle East has been bled dry. We're sitting pretty up here, believe me.

From my relatively limited reading on this, much of the canadian oil is expensive to extract, meaning that it is extracted only when oil prices are high, like now.

 

[bluepeter]

From my relatively limited reading on this, much of the canadian oil is expensive to extract, meaning that it is extracted only when oil prices are high, like now.

and like it will be when those in the ME shut down. Let's not forget little things like water and lumber as well.

 

[curling]

It will be just like in the movie Spies Like Us. We will spend all this money. The stupid N. Korean will shoot a nuke over here. We will fire the laser at it and say whoops missed and then we all die. I think I would rather have a tax cut and buy a liter bike so I can do longer freeway wheelies.

 

[bluepeter]

It's official, Canada has told the US they won't participate.

Hallelujah.