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The Almighty
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Thinking about purchasing one of these bad boys simply for recreational use (target shooting). Brand new Russian AK-47. Im a big fan of the pistol grip. Can get it brand new for $450 with 2 30 round mags.
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The Almighty
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manny78 said:Assuming it's a real AK-47 and not a cheap imitation, then yes it's a good. The AK-47 is far from being the most accurate weapon out there but it's pretty reliable. Sand proof too. And the 7.62mm does not forgiveGo for it.
Yes, its real. Im actually getting it from a store, not via online...I just happened to find that picture.
In a perfect world I would be able to afford an AR-15...I just need to start learning how to shoot better with a rifle, and I figure the ak is cheap and durable, so you cant go wrong.
fogg88
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Another good gun you might look at is the Daewoo DR200. (Yeah, the same Korean company that makes cars and tv's... don't laugh.) I had one of these a few years ago, and loved the hell out of it. Kinda' goofy design: the upper receiver is basically AK/SKS design, and the lower receiver is an AR-15 clone (even takes AR or M-16 magazines). I got mine new for about the same price as what you're looking at for the AK. Here's a pic of what they look like:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1300/1350.htm
The one I got had the pistol grip incorporated into the stock like the picture, but you can still pick them up with 'non-incorporated' pistol grips and folding stocks as well.
...just a thought.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1300/1350.htm
The one I got had the pistol grip incorporated into the stock like the picture, but you can still pick them up with 'non-incorporated' pistol grips and folding stocks as well.
...just a thought.
Testosterone boy
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If you pump 30-60 bullets through it as fast as you can, you may as well throw the barrel. away. Excessive heats warps barrels. Friend of mine ruined a 50 cal when the jungle made noises after the sergeant said "we're losing them faster than we're sending them in."
Testosterone boy
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manny78 said:
Shoot a .378 or .416 or .460 Weatherby and you will learn what recoil is. About 3-4 times greater. Definitions of recoil vary.
The Almighty
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I wouldnt even think of using the AK in automatic lol.
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Friend of mine sells Yugoslavian AK-47s (I think) for about $170 at gun shows. Wooden stock and not beautiful but prolly perfectly funtional.
I'm not an expert on military arms. I used to collect Weatherby's. And Winchesters. And Brownings. And Smith and Wessons. And Remingtons. And Marlins. And Rugers. And Savages. And.......
I'm not an expert on military arms. I used to collect Weatherby's. And Winchesters. And Brownings. And Smith and Wessons. And Remingtons. And Marlins. And Rugers. And Savages. And.......
I would save up for an AR-15.
I have 5 AR's, and love every one of 'em.
Can't go wrong with Bushmaster.
www.AR15.com
I have 5 AR's, and love every one of 'em.
Can't go wrong with Bushmaster.
www.AR15.com
BigRedCat
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Cant go wrong with a Bushmaster- just ask the Maryland snipers!
Actually I dont like AR's or M4's for that matter. I prefer the AK-74 and other AK variants floating around. You really cant go wrong with an SKS either- great rifle and very cheap. I used to get cases of them for dirt cheap. The price you quoted is pretty cheap- I usually see real AK-47's for 700+. I still think your better off with an AKM or AK copy. Unless your a collector it doesn't make much differance on build quality- they are all tough rifles. You know a dirty AK will still fire. Cant say that for some M-16 varients.
Actually I dont like AR's or M4's for that matter. I prefer the AK-74 and other AK variants floating around. You really cant go wrong with an SKS either- great rifle and very cheap. I used to get cases of them for dirt cheap. The price you quoted is pretty cheap- I usually see real AK-47's for 700+. I still think your better off with an AKM or AK copy. Unless your a collector it doesn't make much differance on build quality- they are all tough rifles. You know a dirty AK will still fire. Cant say that for some M-16 varients.
Silent Method
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The Kalashnikov is a fun gun. However, I wouldn't pay $450 for one. You can them in fine condition for $200 plus or minus.
My SKS has failed to eject twice in 600 rounds.
My M4 has had zero failures in 2,000+ rounds.
Regardless, he stated that he intends to use the firearm for target practice. An AR-15 is hella fun at the range, and a failure of any sort will not be any big deal.
Fuck it, get both!
My M4 has had zero failures in 2,000+ rounds.
Regardless, he stated that he intends to use the firearm for target practice. An AR-15 is hella fun at the range, and a failure of any sort will not be any big deal.
Fuck it, get both!
Kalashnikov
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The picture you are showing looks like one of the ak-103's that people are building out there. Maybe you should email Atlantic Firearms and get some details and specifications on the rifle.
I would ask them what receiver it is built on. For example SAIGA, Vepr, etc. These are russian manufactured receivers and make better quality weapons. Particularly the Vepr receivers, which were used in light machine guns and are thicker and more durable than normal AKM receivers. They also help accuracy since heat does not affect them as much.
Mildot: An AR is a different tool for a different purpose. If you want a delicate, modular rifle that shoots 1'' groups at 100 yards, get an AR. If you want a rifle that can be stomped on, thrown in the mud and be neglected for months while still being reliable, get the AK. Neither is better than the other. They are just two different tools for different jobs.
I would ask them what receiver it is built on. For example SAIGA, Vepr, etc. These are russian manufactured receivers and make better quality weapons. Particularly the Vepr receivers, which were used in light machine guns and are thicker and more durable than normal AKM receivers. They also help accuracy since heat does not affect them as much.
Mildot: An AR is a different tool for a different purpose. If you want a delicate, modular rifle that shoots 1'' groups at 100 yards, get an AR. If you want a rifle that can be stomped on, thrown in the mud and be neglected for months while still being reliable, get the AK. Neither is better than the other. They are just two different tools for different jobs.
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Silent Method said:
An SAR-1 or a WASR (both romanian AKMS) are not worth $450.
A Vepr is worth about $550 brand new. You get what you pay for. The rifles that you are describing as costing $200 plus are not the same quality as a VEPR or an ak-103 built on a SAIGA receiver. The latter are worth every penny.
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I must admit that these are a group of rifles that I have had only a limited interest in in the past. Regarding the latter, what are the advantages? I can only assume that strenght and reliability are at issue?Kalashnikov said:
What are we looking at as far as the barrel and trigger quality differences?
The Almighty
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Kalashnikov said:
Thanks for the input. I am not actually purchasing the gun from Atlantic Firearms, but that picture I posted is right on. I took a look at it today and it is built on a Saiga receiver. In your opinion, is the gun (brand new mind you) worth the $450?
While not as accurate as the 15, the mini 14 is in that price range and far more accurate and comparable in performance when in harsh environments with the AK and variants. As mine heats up it slowly pulls up and too the right. The AK hits the black but scattered in a random patern. Usefull range is about 200 yards for me. If you need some trigger time, don't be afraid to pick up a .22 (ruger 10-22) the basics are all the same and you will save a ton of money in ammo. Good luck
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The Almighty said:
If the rifle is the same or very similar to the picture you posted, I would say you are getting a good deal. This looks like the rifles made by AK-USA, although I believe they charge a bit more for their ak-103. Are you buying this rifle online?
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Silent Method said:
The higher grade AK's have a better fit and finish. This basically means that their craftsmanship is better, the machining on the receiver is nicer, etc. Sometimes people complain of having "canted" or twisted sight posts on the romanian AK's. The more expensive AK's will not have this problem.
Accuracy is also a bit better. The robar arms Vepr's will always outshoot a Romanian AK. The Romanians are not that bad, though. They are tough and reliable, also very fun to shoot. It's all about how much you are willing to spend. Like just about anything else, you get what you pay for.
Hmm..... I don't remember saying that I think the AR is the better of the two, just that I prefer it over the AK. You see, I like to hit what I'm aiming at out past 100 yards. 
He is not talking about using it in a SHTF situation, and even if he was, I would still recommend the AR over the AK family of rifles.
Oh yeah, while it may be a selling point to some, I don't intend to "stomp on, throw it in the mud or neglect my rifle for months" any time soon. When I do, I will be sure to look into the AK.
He is not talking about using it in a SHTF situation, and even if he was, I would still recommend the AR over the AK family of rifles.
Oh yeah, while it may be a selling point to some, I don't intend to "stomp on, throw it in the mud or neglect my rifle for months" any time soon. When I do, I will be sure to look into the AK.
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I like AR's too. They are extremely accurate rifles (if you buy one in the national match config.) and can be modified in a shitload of configurations. The problem with the Armalite rifle is that it "shits where it eats". It pipes the gas directly into the chamber and makes it all dirty. Then you have to clean it for an hour after each trip to the range.
Here's an anecdote I heard from a military program on the History Channel: Two American soldiers in Vietnam had acquired an AK47 from a dead Viet-cong. They took it to a nearby field and put a few rounds through it. When they got bored, they threw it into a filthy locker and forgot about it for a month.
When they returned for it, the bolt was jammed shut from rust and mud. One of the soldiers put the rifle on it's butt, kicked the bolt open and forced it home. It fired the whole magazine without a hitch.
Try that with an AR.
It pipes the gas directly into the chamber and makes it all dirty. Then you have to clean it for an hour after each trip to the range. Here's an anecdote I heard from a military program on the History Channel: Two American soldiers in Vietnam had acquired an AK47 from a dead Viet-cong. They took it to a nearby field and put a few rounds through it. When they got bored, they threw it into a filthy locker and forgot about it for a month.
When they returned for it, the bolt was jammed shut from rust and mud. One of the soldiers put the rifle on it's butt, kicked the bolt open and forced it home. It fired the whole magazine without a hitch.
Try that with an AR.
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Kalashnikov said:
Not online...Im getting it from a shop nearby.
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