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Quadsweep
True, Quad but that is why you only run 25 mcg of t3..this dosage is only high enough to ellicit a greater anabolic response due to higher conversion rates of proteins, carbs , and fats....many use t3 in a bulking cycle and it works extremely well. Again remember, a dosage of anabolic required to ellicit a greater anabolic response while on gh is enough to lower endogenous t3 levels..thus it only makes sense to add it in...
Peace
True, Quad but that is why you only run 25 mcg of t3..this dosage is only high enough to ellicit a greater anabolic response due to higher conversion rates of proteins, carbs , and fats....many use t3 in a bulking cycle and it works extremely well. Again remember, a dosage of anabolic required to ellicit a greater anabolic response while on gh is enough to lower endogenous t3 levels..thus it only makes sense to add it in...
Peace
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RE Ironmaster...IGF-1
As a note, there is little evidence of growth from IGF-1 administration directly for a number of reasons...and this is not to say that it doesn't work..just difficult to find any supporting evidence...i have heard of much of the IGF-1 floating around to be mostly counterfeit as well...Iron do you have any info you can add...I would be very interested to hear it if you do!!!
Peace
As a note, there is little evidence of growth from IGF-1 administration directly for a number of reasons...and this is not to say that it doesn't work..just difficult to find any supporting evidence...i have heard of much of the IGF-1 floating around to be mostly counterfeit as well...Iron do you have any info you can add...I would be very interested to hear it if you do!!!
Peace
We know from the research that naturally produced IGF-1 works......in fact causing localized growth of skeletal muscle, which is what we want. Unfortunately, there is little evidence that exoIGF-1 works because of it's extremely short half-life....we're talking minutes here.
There is a study or two that shows positive effects, but these researchers used a continuous IV drip of IGF-1. Wouldn't that be nice.......lay back every night and hook up your drip bag of IGF-1 and GH and get huge!
I have serious doubts about the alleged IGF-1 available on the black market. The real stuff has to be handled with great care, and must be kept at a precise temperature. If you have a legit facility to order through, there are labs that sell the real deal, but you are looking at 500+ a week and probably still no results because of the short time it is bio-active.
If the blackmarket shit was any good, we would be seeing posts about the good results. I never have seen a one.
Sorry, praetorian, but I'm not a big T3 fan. The theory is sound, but it makes me feel like shit during and after usage.......and I came in flat as hell. Had to get crazy with epogen. Probably just a personal thing, cause a lot of my friends swear by it. There is some new research that challenges the argument that GH negatively impacts the thyroid.....I'll hunt it up. (I used a lot more than the 25 you are talking about).
Competition training is very individual. Each man has to learn what ultimately works for himself through trial and error. I think I have this down now, but it took 3 decades of experimentation.
I will say this in general terms. Insulin can make a huge difference. I have some pics that show the difference......same cycle, same diet...insulin in one, no insulin in the other. The major difference in the look of today's pro's is insulin (and GH) and lots of it. Really, 300 pounds, all lean......Gunter is the same height as Arnold was, but 75 pounds heavier......contest weight! This is the new mark.
There is a study or two that shows positive effects, but these researchers used a continuous IV drip of IGF-1. Wouldn't that be nice.......lay back every night and hook up your drip bag of IGF-1 and GH and get huge!
I have serious doubts about the alleged IGF-1 available on the black market. The real stuff has to be handled with great care, and must be kept at a precise temperature. If you have a legit facility to order through, there are labs that sell the real deal, but you are looking at 500+ a week and probably still no results because of the short time it is bio-active.
If the blackmarket shit was any good, we would be seeing posts about the good results. I never have seen a one.
Sorry, praetorian, but I'm not a big T3 fan. The theory is sound, but it makes me feel like shit during and after usage.......and I came in flat as hell. Had to get crazy with epogen. Probably just a personal thing, cause a lot of my friends swear by it. There is some new research that challenges the argument that GH negatively impacts the thyroid.....I'll hunt it up. (I used a lot more than the 25 you are talking about).
Competition training is very individual. Each man has to learn what ultimately works for himself through trial and error. I think I have this down now, but it took 3 decades of experimentation.
I will say this in general terms. Insulin can make a huge difference. I have some pics that show the difference......same cycle, same diet...insulin in one, no insulin in the other. The major difference in the look of today's pro's is insulin (and GH) and lots of it. Really, 300 pounds, all lean......Gunter is the same height as Arnold was, but 75 pounds heavier......contest weight! This is the new mark.
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Re:Iron
Iron, kudos for the info on IGF-1, yes i would agree with you on the T3 as i do believe it is a personal preference issue and if higher dosages are used it is difficult to stay full and vascular....i prefer 25-50 max and over a longer period..i usually cut back the 2 weeks prior to my contest as well and introduce a red blood cell producer such as halo or ad50 orals....find they fill me up quite nice...a friend was telling me about h20 displacers as well and how some are experimenting with these,,mostly used in the OR at the moment...kinda scary at this time...i have 18 years in the iron game...a few shy of you my friend but i am getting to know my body fairly well and how it reacts to certain ergogens etc...yes the insulin introduction has changed the face of modern bodybuilding and i hope not fo rthe worse!
Just hopin i can look as good when i hit the big 50 and beyond...35 and pushin it!
Thanks much!
Peace
Iron, kudos for the info on IGF-1, yes i would agree with you on the T3 as i do believe it is a personal preference issue and if higher dosages are used it is difficult to stay full and vascular....i prefer 25-50 max and over a longer period..i usually cut back the 2 weeks prior to my contest as well and introduce a red blood cell producer such as halo or ad50 orals....find they fill me up quite nice...a friend was telling me about h20 displacers as well and how some are experimenting with these,,mostly used in the OR at the moment...kinda scary at this time...i have 18 years in the iron game...a few shy of you my friend but i am getting to know my body fairly well and how it reacts to certain ergogens etc...yes the insulin introduction has changed the face of modern bodybuilding and i hope not fo rthe worse!
Just hopin i can look as good when i hit the big 50 and beyond...35 and pushin it!
Thanks much!
Peace
