Great White lead singer = P.O.S.

[fogg88]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I just had to vent. First he shows no emotion at all when being interviewed the morning after that tragedy in R.I., ...now the fucker wants immunity in exchange for testimony about the whole situation. This guy is a real piece of shit.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/875480.asp?0cv=CB10

 

[Tinee Tim]

Yepper. I'd like to cut his tail off and burn him like a fucking cat. Mother Fucking Fucker.

 

[TheProject]

What's wrong with wanting immunity for his testimony?

 

[Tinee Tim]

Because the asshole knows he fucked up. Instead of facing the consequences his ass will lie just to save his fat ass.


Another thing is his face looks so damn swollen that I don't know if I should put a safety pin in his cheek to drain that SOB or put a diaper on his face to catch all the shit.

 

[gymtime]

I think that while laying blame could very easily be a spectator sport here, we should remember that this was simply a horrible accident. Granted, from the video we all saw, over and over, a grossly negligent one, but an accident nonetheless. Let's not fire up the gas chamber quite yet.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

you do realize the band does'nt set up the pyro right?Blame the pyro-techs(the "pros"),not the band.Dumbass.

 

[Tinee Tim]

Who are you calling a dumbass? Have you seen the other reports of bars that have had the same incidents of not permitting pyro, but it was used anyway? Seems to me that the band would call the shots. I'm not saying he is not the only one accountable, but in my opinion, that guy is looking for a way out. If you were calling me out....then go fuckyourself.

Gymtime. I do agree that it was horrible, and wish it would of never happened, but the band has to take some blame. Have a good day!

 

[gymtime]

Who are you calling a dumbass? Have you seen the other reports of bars that have had the same incidents of not permitting pyro, but it was used anyway? Seems to me that the band would call the shots. I'm not saying he is not the only one accountable, but in my opinion, that guy is looking for a way out. If you were calling me out....then go fuckyourself.

Gymtime. I do agree that it was horrible, and wish it would of never happened, but the band has to take some blame. Have a good day!

Agreed. Of course they do. I don't believe it would have taken a professional pyrotechnician to understand that it was a disaster waiting to happen. I'm just not ready to lynch the guy, that's all. There are several people who share the blame for what happened. This guy is simply the most visible so that's who everyone goes after.

 

[TheProject]

Because the asshole knows he fucked up. Instead of facing the consequences his ass will lie just to save his fat ass.

That's asinine. He's asking for immunity so that he can tell the truth.

Furthermore, IMO, it's the clubs responsibility to have final say as to what the band should or should not do. If it means cancelling the show in the name of safety, so be it.

I would not be surprised if Great White pressured the club into letting them use pyro, but that doesn't mean he's wholly responsible.

Don't forget, the band lost a member in the fire too.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

Who are you calling a dumbass? Have you seen the other reports of bars that have had the same incidents of not permitting pyro, but it was used anyway? Seems to me that the band would call the shots. I'm not saying he is not the only one accountable, but in my opinion, that guy is looking for a way out. If you were calling me out....then go fuckyourself.

Gymtime. I do agree that it was horrible, and wish it would of never happened, but the band has to take some blame. Have a good day!

I'm calling you a dumbass...dumbass.
Singers sing.That's it.
Pyro-techs are in charge of pyro.
You would'nt blame the tech for the singer sounding like shit now would you?
Just because he is the "front man" does not mean he's in charge.Learn the biz.

 

[Tinee Tim]

Sorry for my attitude...I'm as gentle as a kitty cat. hahaha

Gymtime, I feel the same way for the most part.

Project, don't get so mad at me. The guy knows his ass is cooked.....hence the reason for him asking for immunity. It is my feeling that the club, band, and techs are all responsible. Great White just shows a pattern and history of not following the rules.

I'm not even saying he doesn't feel bad. I'm sure he does.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

I'm calling you a dumbass...dumbass.
Singers sing.That's it.
Pyro-techs are in charge of pyro.
You would'nt blame the tech for the singer sounding like shit now would you?
Just because he is the "front man" does not mean he's in charge.Learn the biz.

Sorry to burst your bubble here Sermon, but if singers just sing, then why WHILE THE FIRE WAS STILL BURNING did Jack Russel come foreward and say "the club told us it was ok" Yes, the band DID have thier own pyro guy, but that being the case, he should've said he didn't know whether there wsa permission or not, but assumed there was because they were set up. I don't blame Russel personally, however, he should've kept his trap shut on the scene. On a sidenote... Any pyro-"tech" that can look at a club with 15-foot ceilings, and a 3-foot stage that looks at it and says, "yeah, sure, I can use 10-foot pyros in here." is a fucking idiot and shouldn't be in the biz.....

 

[TheProject]

Project, don't get so mad at me. The guy knows his ass is cooked.....hence the reason for him asking for immunity. It is my feeling that the club, band, and techs are all responsible. Great White just shows a pattern and history of not following the rules.

I'm not mad, I'm just saying your premise is asinine.

If he had not done anything wrong, there would be no reason for him to ask for immunity. That's a no brainer. But he can either bargan for immuity, or keep his mouth shut due to self-incriminaton. Which is better: not granting immunity, and having no testimony, or graning immunity, and maybe getting a conviction?

This whole thing just seems like a great tragedy to me, not anythng that was done with any malice or forethought.

Finally, I don't know that Great White shows a pattern of not following the rules, at least no more than any other band.

Shit, look at Vince Neil. His ignorance out and out killed a man, but he's walking the streets.

 

[Tinee Tim]

I'm calling you a dumbass...dumbass.
Singers sing.That's it.
Pyro-techs are in charge of pyro.
You would'nt blame the tech for the singer sounding like shit now would you?
Just because he is the "front man" does not mean he's in charge.Learn the biz.

You really are an ass! You actually believe that is all a lead singer does, is sing?

Have you read anything I have typed as far as blame?

Sound techs can make the singer like shit, can they not?

Sorry, I'll make it my mission to learn the business before I make comments. You just stick to rimming yourself. Fucknut.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

On a sidenote... Any pyro-"tech" that can look at a club with 15-foot ceilings, and a 3-foot stage that looks at it and says, "yeah, sure, I can use 10-foot pyros in here." is a fucking idiot and shouldn't be in the biz.....

that's all I'm tryin to say.

 

[gymtime]

Sorry to burst your bubble here Sermon, but if singers just sing, then why WHILE THE FIRE WAS STILL BURNING did Jack Russel come foreward and say "the club told us it was ok" Yes, the band DID have thier own pyro guy, but that being the case, he should've said he didn't know whether there wsa permission or not, but assumed there was because they were set up. I don't blame Russel personally, however, he should've kept his trap shut on the scene. On a sidenote... Any pyro-"tech" that can look at a club with 15-foot ceilings, and a 3-foot stage that looks at it and says, "yeah, sure, I can use 10-foot pyros in here." is a fucking idiot and shouldn't be in the biz.....

Exactly. But I think that this should have been obvious to ANY reasonably intelligent person, much less a pyrotech.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

Exactly. But I think that this should have been obvious to ANY reasonably intelligent person, much less a pyrotech.

true,but it's not his job.That's what the tech is there for.I'm not making excuses for the fag,just pointing the finger at the right person.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

That's asinine. He's asking for immunity so that he can tell the truth.

I don't know... Usually when people are asking for immunity from prosecution, it's because they did something wrong, and are looking for the prosecutors to overlook what they did in the interest of getting the "bigger fish" or the person who is guilty of something worse...

Furthermore, IMO, it's the clubs responsibility to have final say as to what the band should or should not do. If it means cancelling the show in the name of safety, so be it.

As I've said before, I know the owners of that club, and I also know the stage tech that works for the club. Paul (the stage guy for the club), said that the pyros were NOT on the stage when the opening act was up there, and they are touring w/GW, so the two bands are sharing a lot of equipment. To me, that means that right before GW went on stage, someone from the band's group put the pyro cannisters on the stage. That tells me that there certianly wasn't time for a test run, and certianly not time for the club to be made aware that they're going to do it. That said, I know the club allowed pyro before, but the differences are huge. The pyros that were used there by some other bands in the past were small, 3-footers used in short flash bursts, never a sustained 10-foot stream of sparks. Big difference IMO...

I would not be surprised if Great White pressured the club into letting them use pyro, but that doesn't mean he's wholly responsible.

Well, if this were still thier heyday, I'd say maybe, but nowadays, a band like GW doesn't have the kind of juice they'd need to pressure a club into anything, just the fact that they're playing to a 300 person audience should tell you that.

Don't forget, the band lost a member in the fire too.

Although that's true, he wasn't an original member. That certianly doesn't make him any less important as a human being, I don't mean it that way, but considering the fact that 2 days after the fire, the band was already auditioning new guitarists so they could immediately continue thier tour tells me how important he was to the band.

 

[gymtime]

True, it was not his specific job. However, it's his band. Part of the show was pyrotechnics. The band chose to use them and therefore, IMO, assume as much or even more responsibility than the techs do. The fact that they hired inept people for their light show is their own damn fault.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

The fact that they hired inept people for their light show is their own damn fault.

now your stepping into the managers realm.Sorry man,just pointing out what I know from being a performer myself.

 

[Tinee Tim]

True, it was not his specific job. However, it's his band. Part of the show was pyrotechnics. The band chose to use them and therefore, IMO, assume as much or even more responsibility than the techs do. The fact that they hired inept people for their light show is their own damn fault.

We are on the same wavelength, dude.

 

[TheProject]

I don't know... Usually when people are asking for immunity from prosecution, it's because they did something wrong, and are looking for the prosecutors to overlook what they did in the interest of getting the "bigger fish" or the person who is guilty of something worse...

As I've said before, I know the owners of that club, and I also know the stage tech that works for the club. Paul (the stage guy for the club), said that the pyros were NOT on the stage when the opening act was up there, and they are touring w/GW, so the two bands are sharing a lot of equipment. To me, that means that right before GW went on stage, someone from the band's group put the pyro cannisters on the stage. That tells me that there certianly wasn't time for a test run, and certianly not time for the club to be made aware that they're going to do it. That said, I know the club allowed pyro before, but the differences are huge. The pyros that were used there by some other bands in the past were small, 3-footers used in short flash bursts, never a sustained 10-foot stream of sparks. Big difference IMO...


Well, if this were still thier heyday, I'd say maybe, but nowadays, a band like GW doesn't have the kind of juice they'd need to pressure a club into anything, just the fact that they're playing to a 300 person audience should tell you that.


Although that's true, he wasn't an original member. That certianly doesn't make him any less important as a human being, I don't mean it that way, but considering the fact that 2 days after the fire, the band was already auditioning new guitarists so they could immediately continue thier tour tells me how important he was to the band.

As I said later on, I have no doubt he did something wrong if he's asking for immunity, but surely he must feel like there's a party to this that did something worse than he did.

I don't know much about running a show, but isn't it possible that GW always waits to put their pyro on stage until after the opening act?

GW clearly doesn't have the pull they used to, but I think any headliner could potentially lean on club management to say "we're not going on unless you do this", and rather than lose money, I just wonder if management wouldn't comply.

And I know the guy wasn't an original member...but I gotta think he was at least a friend in some capacity, and there's always debate whenever any kind of performer elects to carry on after a tragedy. Vince McMahon and the WWE were heavily criticized for continuing the show after Owen Hart's death. It's one of those things that I think is never an easy call, and when guys like this are doing small clubs, I'm thinking they're doing it for their livelihood, at least to some extent. That's gotta make a difference.

 

[gymtime]

now your stepping into the managers realm.Sorry man,just pointing out what I know from being a performer myself.

Manager's realm? You mean the band's or the club's?

 

[FLASHMAN1]

As I said later on, I have no doubt he did something wrong if he's asking for immunity, but surely he must feel like there's a party to this that did something worse than he did.

I was typing my response when you posted that, I'm a slow typist. We agree there...

I don't know much about running a show, but isn't it possible that GW always waits to put their pyro on stage until after the opening act?

Sure, that's possible, but you would think that at very least , the stage manager for the club would be aware, but he was not, at least according to him, and I know the guy, so I trust what he's saying is true.

GW clearly doesn't have the pull they used to, but I think any headliner could potentially lean on club management to say "we're not going on unless you do this", and rather than lose money, I just wonder if management wouldn't comply.

anything's possible, but I think calling them a "headliner" is giving them way too much credit...lol Because of thier current status, I'd word it differently, I'd say they were the last band on the stage that night, and the most popular of the three bands in that 300 person club...lol but I see what you're saying...

And I know the guy wasn't an original member...but I gotta think he was at least a friend in some capacity, and there's always debate whenever any kind of performer elects to carry on after a tragedy. Vince McMahon and the WWE were heavily criticized for continuing the show after Owen Hart's death. It's one of those things that I think is never an easy call, and when guys like this are doing small clubs, I'm thinking they're doing it for their livelihood, at least to some extent. That's gotta make a difference.

"The show must go on." I agree with this statement to an extent, but these guys had agents looking for a guitarist before he was even confirmed dead, and before all the people at the hospitals had been identified. That's a scumbag move if you ask me...

 

[TheProject]

anything's possible, but I think calling them a "headliner" is giving them way too much credit...lol Because of thier current status, I'd word it differently, I'd say they were the last band on the stage that night, and the most popular of the three bands in that 300 person club...lol but I see what you're saying...

"The show must go on." I agree with this statement to an extent, but these guys had agents looking for a guitarist before he was even confirmed dead, and before all the people at the hospitals had been identified. That's a scumbag move if you ask me...

Yeah, they're a headliner in much the same sense as all the other nostalgia bands that run around. Hell, Def Leppard's playing state fairs now. But in the sense that they were *probably* the big draw, I'd guess that could make a difference.

I'd love to know what Jack and the other guys in the band have to say about that. I would be shocked to find out that they were that completly callous about the situation. I like the old GW stuff, so that would disappoint me greatly.

 

[TEXgrl]

wow, quite a debate going on here, i'm gonna throw my 2 cents in for what its worth.......

i honestly think both sides knew the dangers of the pyrotechnics in the club, i just think that everybody looked the other way.

--sidenote to flashman, nothing personal, but the simple fact that you know the club owners well makes your viewpoint considerably less objective in my opinion.....if it were my friends club, i would want to believe that they didnt' know. and i don't know many people in this world, who if they were in the situation of the club owners right now, wouldnt say exactly the same thing your friend is saying, which is that they didnt' know. i'm not saying they are lying, but this is not a small accident, this is like the 3rd biggest club incident ever. who wouldnt want to save their own ass.

to attack the lead singer of the group, like Nav said, is silly, he's simply the most visible of the group, and therefore an easy target. maybe not the brightest crayon in the box for talking early on in this deal, but who said rock stars were rocket scientist material?

i dont think anyone will ever know the real truth in this situation. the stakes are too high now for it to ever come out. someone will probably pay, and pay dearly, but i doubt it will be the right person/persons. i don't think one single person is responsible, but a chain reaction of people and events.

 

[velvett]

Tell the truth?

He NEEDS immunity to TELL THE TRUTH?

97 people died a horrible death and the shit for brains needs immunity to TELL THE TRUTH??? He should be telling the truth reagrdless of where blame may be held - MY GOD - those people - even a member of his band and he needs immunity?



If he were in closer proximity to me they'd be pealing his skin off the treads of my tires.

What fuck head.


That said, I feel that same way about all the self serving, self-protecting shit heads involved in this tragic event.


Immunity my ass.



I hope the band, the club owners, the fire inspector and the local province all fry in collective guilt.

I also hope with this event that changes in ridiculous pre-existing non-conforming laws are looked at in a new light.

 

[big4life]

I think that in the end they all will walk with little or no punishment.

Maybe the one good thing to come put of this will be maybe now they will change some of the laws like velvett said.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

What do you get when you cross Oliver Stone with Franz Kafka?