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akathegame
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Bros,
Was talking post workout tonight with some fella-juicers at the gym and had an interesting conversation about gains keeping. The guy I was bouncing ideas back and forth with has plenty of years experience and is built like any one who wants to give advice on gear should be. For my part, I've got less experience, though a little more size though this is due to genes rather than insane knowledge, but those who know me can attest that I do know my shit when it comes to juice. Anyway, this is a formula for serious gains keeping we were discussing. Its obviously not polished, but I think it holds the potential to be very effective in gains keeping post cycle, particularly after long high volume cycles (which I think has been a topic of discussion lately.
First off, its not gonna be cheap, but if you're serious enough to stay on months or years then you are probably gonna spend what it takes to keep those gains. The key players are gonna be HCG, Clomid, GH, Clenbuterol, and Primobolan. What sprung the discussion was I had read in M.D. a report which had sighted reliable double blind studies in which GH had prevented muscle catabolism in subjects with test. suppression. I have always felt GH's most effective action is muscle preservation. Even when used in dieting its most potent value is keeping the muscle while the calories are dropped to lose the fat.
Now, Clomid alone, or clomid and hcg are sufficient for coming off most cycles, but they can't work miracles. For those who need more, this may do the trick. Okay, so you've been on 1000mg+ of test for the past 3 months (or whatever). Time to come off and try to keep the gains.
Fisrt you'd run the hcg at 2500-5000 a week for two weeks while still on cycle to kick start your nuts. Neither of us used hcg much in the past so I'd love a more experienced opinion with this aspect. Follow this with Clomid for 6 weeks. 100mgs daily the first week and 50mg for the next 5 weeks (longtime, but necessary). At the same time you begin the Clomid therapy you will begin the GH at 4-6 IUs daily for 5 days on 2 off. In addition, you'll start primobolan at 400mg weekly and clenbuterol on a 2 days on 2 off schedule for 6 weeks. Dosage for the clen is really a personal matter. I can't tolerate much of the stuff. When to stop the test and how to stop it was a little less clear cut for us. I'd love to hear opinions, but I thought it should be terminated the day the clomid has begun. You could term earlier, but I love the test/hcg strength surges and the clomid will run for 4 weeks so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. A taper after such long use at a high volume would seem like a good idea, but you're doing alot for gains keeping and I'd say the best move is to just cut it and get you nuts back.
I'm sure you'll find alot of problems with this plan. Its not a finished product, but a theoretical formula I'd like to run by experienced bros and try to polish. The thinking is that the HCG and Clomid will work in their usual capacity, though at higher dosages for increased effectiveness. The primo, which I think is more valuable in gainskeeping than muscle building, is extremely effective in maintaining an anabolic environment and the GH prevents muscle catabolism unbeleivably. The two should provide an incredible service in maintaing those gains while the hcg and clomid bring your system back online. The clenbuterol actually can aid anabolism as well and should work synergistically with the GH and primo in leaning you out, along with providing energy for good sessions.
I've left alot out and hope you fellas will chime in with advice and opinions. I really think the potential is their, once polished, for incredible gains keeping. If you can still pay the morgage, more power to you, but you'll be looking damn good when you're evicted. Please drop some knowledge for me vets, I know we've got guys who can debate more than what dosage of dbol is best for a newbie. Experienced juicers, lets talk shop. Out!
Was talking post workout tonight with some fella-juicers at the gym and had an interesting conversation about gains keeping. The guy I was bouncing ideas back and forth with has plenty of years experience and is built like any one who wants to give advice on gear should be. For my part, I've got less experience, though a little more size though this is due to genes rather than insane knowledge, but those who know me can attest that I do know my shit when it comes to juice. Anyway, this is a formula for serious gains keeping we were discussing. Its obviously not polished, but I think it holds the potential to be very effective in gains keeping post cycle, particularly after long high volume cycles (which I think has been a topic of discussion lately.
First off, its not gonna be cheap, but if you're serious enough to stay on months or years then you are probably gonna spend what it takes to keep those gains. The key players are gonna be HCG, Clomid, GH, Clenbuterol, and Primobolan. What sprung the discussion was I had read in M.D. a report which had sighted reliable double blind studies in which GH had prevented muscle catabolism in subjects with test. suppression. I have always felt GH's most effective action is muscle preservation. Even when used in dieting its most potent value is keeping the muscle while the calories are dropped to lose the fat.
Now, Clomid alone, or clomid and hcg are sufficient for coming off most cycles, but they can't work miracles. For those who need more, this may do the trick. Okay, so you've been on 1000mg+ of test for the past 3 months (or whatever). Time to come off and try to keep the gains.
Fisrt you'd run the hcg at 2500-5000 a week for two weeks while still on cycle to kick start your nuts. Neither of us used hcg much in the past so I'd love a more experienced opinion with this aspect. Follow this with Clomid for 6 weeks. 100mgs daily the first week and 50mg for the next 5 weeks (longtime, but necessary). At the same time you begin the Clomid therapy you will begin the GH at 4-6 IUs daily for 5 days on 2 off. In addition, you'll start primobolan at 400mg weekly and clenbuterol on a 2 days on 2 off schedule for 6 weeks. Dosage for the clen is really a personal matter. I can't tolerate much of the stuff. When to stop the test and how to stop it was a little less clear cut for us. I'd love to hear opinions, but I thought it should be terminated the day the clomid has begun. You could term earlier, but I love the test/hcg strength surges and the clomid will run for 4 weeks so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. A taper after such long use at a high volume would seem like a good idea, but you're doing alot for gains keeping and I'd say the best move is to just cut it and get you nuts back.
I'm sure you'll find alot of problems with this plan. Its not a finished product, but a theoretical formula I'd like to run by experienced bros and try to polish. The thinking is that the HCG and Clomid will work in their usual capacity, though at higher dosages for increased effectiveness. The primo, which I think is more valuable in gainskeeping than muscle building, is extremely effective in maintaining an anabolic environment and the GH prevents muscle catabolism unbeleivably. The two should provide an incredible service in maintaing those gains while the hcg and clomid bring your system back online. The clenbuterol actually can aid anabolism as well and should work synergistically with the GH and primo in leaning you out, along with providing energy for good sessions.
I've left alot out and hope you fellas will chime in with advice and opinions. I really think the potential is their, once polished, for incredible gains keeping. If you can still pay the morgage, more power to you, but you'll be looking damn good when you're evicted. Please drop some knowledge for me vets, I know we've got guys who can debate more than what dosage of dbol is best for a newbie. Experienced juicers, lets talk shop. Out!
) But anyway, I'm using the HCG stack just to get my balls back up to size - they atrophied quite alot since I have been on for quite awhile now. It's working great too. So I will do this therapy for 2 wks, 500iu ED. Once that is completed I will hit standard clomid therapy and I just might go for this Primo, gh, clen stack. If I can restore my natural Test levels while maintaing an anabolic enviornment in my body- then my goal is accomplished. What are some running prices on GH right now?
