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Good read concerning the terrorist alert

Sushi X

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WASHINGTON, DC - The heightened terror alert is actually a "Government
Incompetence Alert," Libertarians say, because the government is
admitting that it cannot perform its most basic function: national
defense.

"What's truly alarming is that a government that will confiscate $2.2
trillion from its citizens this year is powerless to protect them,"
said Libertarian Party Chair Geoffrey Neale. "And that should make
Americans more angry than afraid."

As the directors of the CIA and FBI testified before the Senate
Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, they described new threats from al-
Qaeda and elaborated on their decision to raise the terrorist threat
level from yellow to orange.

Federal officials are urging that Americans to stockpile food and
water, make arrangements for contacting family members during an
emergency, and buy duct tape and plastic sheeting to seal homes in the
event of a chemical or biological attack.

But Libertarians say all of these warnings would be unnecessary if the
government were doing its job.

"Why are Americans who have been forced to fork over hundreds of
billions of dollars for tanks, missiles and other high-tech weaponry
now being told to defend themselves with duct tape and plastic
sheets?" asked Neale. "Because the government has failed to perform
one of its most basic - and least controversial - functions: defending
the nation from armed aggression."

Like most government failures, this one is expensive, Neale noted.

"This year the Defense Department budget will be at least $365
billion," he said. "Shouldn't politicians explain why we aren't very
well defended?

"The Department of Homeland Security will cost $36.2 billion.
Shouldn't politicians explain why we aren't very secure?

"Taxpayers will also shell out an estimated $30 billion for the CIA;
$4.3 billion for the FBI; and $3.5 billion for the National Security
Agency.

"Yet after spending nearly a half-trillion a year on these defense
agencies, the nation seems less secure than ever. Instead of cavalierly
issuing more terror alerts, politicians should hang their heads in
shame and apologize to the American people for this monumental failure
to do their jobs."

Unfortunately, if another terror attack does occur, politicians will be
tempted to respond by spending even more money and writing yet another
'anti-terrorism' bill, Neale predicted.

But that approach won't work.

"It is absolutely impossible for the government to protect 280 million
individual Americans from terrorism or other random crimes," he said.
"People who are willing to commit horrific acts of violence and even
commit suicide in the process will always be able to kill scores of
innocent people."

That's why the solution to terrorism must include adopting a 'Protect
America First' foreign policy, Neale said, which calls for bringing all
U.S. troops home, ending military intervention and foreign aid, and
never launching a 'pre-emptive' military strike.

"A Swiss-style foreign policy of neutrality and non-intervention would
make terrorist attacks less likely while still protecting our
borders," he said.

"Until that decision is made, every terror alert will be a frightening
reminder of our government's inability to protect us."
 
Sushi X said:

"A Swiss-style foreign policy of neutrality and non-intervention would
make terrorist attacks less likely while still protecting our
borders," he said.

What horse shit. People will always hate us not matter how neutral we would wish to be. We are a nation with great power and riches and other suffering countries have extreme rage and jealousy towards us for that reason. Remember we are "the great Satan" with all our money.
 
What we really need to do domestically is control our borders & step up the inspections on all imports of every kind.
 
Libertarians. What a joke.

Sometimes early this year or toward the end of the last year a bill was proposed to ban the sale of toy guns in NYC. There are a lot of shootings where the victim was pointing a toy gun at a cop.

IN any case, to protest this bill, the Libertarian Party brings a boatload of toy guns to a Junior High School in East Harlem and tries to give them out for free.

The parents were outraged. The administrators were outraged. Any normal citizen would be outraged. Encourage the use of any type of gun (toy or not) in an area that is reeks of drug shooting and other murders.

Unbelievable.
 
The article doesn't give any angle on what the government is doing wrong in many of those cases. Just that they haven't done it right, assuming the Libertarians magically would have. There should be a backing point or factual reason for an argument rather than just a hollow bashing. A lot of useless statistics.
 
supernav, i agree. too much war/iraq/terror and not enough how to fix the economy, get people back to work and get oil prices down. too many people think bush's tax cut will stimulate the economy. i'm afraid i don't see that happening. people think if the rich and the corporations save a little money they will pass it down, or let it trickle down. not gonna happen.

i did this post to show a different angle on the whole terror alert. i think the libertarians have a lot of good ideas. i only posted this because i agree with it's basic message.
 
We can damn well protect ourselves...but because of liberal jackasses that live in this country we have to pussy foot around everything.

Sushi X said:
supernav, i agree. too much war/iraq/terror and not enough how to fix the economy, get people back to work and get oil prices down. too many people think bush's tax cut will stimulate the economy. i'm afraid i don't see that happening. people think if the rich and the corporations save a little money they will pass it down, or let it trickle down. not gonna happen.

i did this post to show a different angle on the whole terror alert. i think the libertarians have a lot of good ideas. i only posted this because i agree with it's basic message.

Why wont the tax cut plan work? And do you have a better idea? 99% of the people who want to cry and complain about bushes economy plans have no plans of their own..It just seems like the "in" thing to bash Bush.

Do you suggest to sop taxing the middle income and poor people all together? How about lets give them money...Everyone in the country should get a 3,000 bonus right? Working or not.:rolleyes:
 
i'm all for tax cuts. just make them go all the way across the board. the tax cuts now will do more for the wealthy than anyone else, middle and lower class included. i have my ideas as to how to get the economy going again but it does'nt make a difference as all we are to the government is a source of income anyway.

no, i dont suggest we stop taxing them, i suggest we find another way to pay for a smaller more efficienet government. and nobody should get a 3,000 dollar bonus. it'd be nice but to get a check for 3g's in the mail but it's not going to happen and i don't suggest it either. i'm not bashing bush, i criticize his policies and to make it fair i criticize some of the democrats policies too. some of bush's ideas he mentioned were pretty good. problem is how's he gonna pay for everything he talked about? increase spending and cutting taxes is'nt the way to do it. no, i'm not suggesting increasing taxes, i'm saying we gotta decrease spending, shrink the size of government, and lower taxes for everyone, except those who will not go to work or at least go to school to get a good paying job. i'm talking about the lazy moochers.
 
Most of the taxes paid are paid by the top earners anyway. If you make 500k a year you pay more tax (in a disproportional amount) than a person who pays 50k a year. Why not just set the tax rate at 30% and everyone pays that regardless if they make a million or 1000/year.

Many people are jealous of the rich because they worked hard to get that high salary and in return they get pissed when they are given a break on their taxes.

Shrinking the government would not jump start the economy, it would cost 1000's of government workers more jobs. You can really lower everyones taxes anymore than they are. Even if they cut government spending, there are still bills that have to be paid.

Eliminating certain taxes such as a dividend tax would force companies to give more dividends to the sharholders. Not only the wealthy but all stockholders. Most of which are the older people on fixed income who rely on dividend checks for a major source of income.

We shoud cut spending first and foremost by stop giving money to Isreal and any other coountry. Let them help themselves.
 
VicTusDeuS said:
Most of the taxes paid are paid by the top earners anyway. If you make 500k a year you pay more tax (in a disproportional amount) than a person who pays 50k a year. Why not just set the tax rate at 30% and everyone pays that regardless if they make a million or 1000/year.



We shoud cut spending first and foremost by stop giving money to Isreal and any other coountry. Let them help themselves.

30% for everyone is'nt going to work. the person who makes 10k a year would have to pay 3k of his money while significantly lower than say someone who makes 100k it has more of an impact on the lower wage earner than the higher. something someone was toying with was a two bracket flat tax. something along the lines of 15% for people who make up to a certain amount and 25% for those who make over that. i can't remember the deatils exactly.

as for your last statement, i couldn't agree more. let's cut off all foreign aid period, leave the middle east and let them do what they are going to do to each other. it's not our problem what they do to each other.
 
Sushi X said:
That's why the solution to terrorism must include adopting a 'Protect
America First' foreign policy, Neale said, which calls for bringing all
U.S. troops home, ending military intervention and foreign aid, and
never launching a 'pre-emptive' military strike

"A Swiss-style foreign policy of neutrality and non-intervention would
make terrorist attacks less likely while still protecting our
borders," he said.


too late. if you had done this pre cold war maybe, but there is too much badwill out there for america at the moment. washing hands won;t really work now, it will just piss people off more

troops need to be all over the place to get where they are needed fast

america has economic interests that need to be protected. no-one else can be arsed to protect them. one of the main reasons the british empire destructed was it didnt have enough troops round the world post WW2 to maintain control

foreign aid is needed for health promotion as well. u cut the aid, people will get sick and countries will go to shit. then they will all emmigrate to the US. even if the country goes full blown nazi the diaseases will find their way in. this is a bad idea. morally too

what WOULD be good is promoting the strengthening of the europeans armed forces so they can deal with any local problems in eastern europe etc. however this reduces their dependance in the US, and consequently they dont want this
 
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