Good news I got a prescription......

[plifter]

I went to the doc yesterday about my test levels being ridiculously low. He said he thinks I may have Klinefelters Syndrome (I don't know how severe this is, he didn't say much except that it caused me to be "underdeveloped" and have gyno) I've been clean for a while so my natural levels should have returned by the time I had the blood taken. The doc wants me to have my chromosomes tested. He also wrote a script for androgel. I know the gel isn't anabolic, but I'm sure it will allow me to keep gains post cycle. Has anyone tried using the gel between cycles?

 

[waterboy]

no but i would like 2 know also

 

[LCBUTLER]

I have used it and it works as advertised. It will definately help you. The situation that you and in some ways I am in is a little different than most guys. My levels were low even before I started taking AS, I go in once every two weeks for an injection of Cypinate, it's only 200 mg but it definately helps. Situations like that make post cycle a little different because if it is Androgel or a low dose injection our natural levels never return to the state they were low or not, we are basically shut down all the time. I did post a question about whether or not this situation would be an exception to the clomid during cycle rule that a lot of guys follow. In our cases taking clomid throughtout the cycle might be warranted.

I did not get any really firm answers but I may start taking clomid at like 50 eod while on my mass cycles.

Hope this helps.

LC

 

[plifter]

LC my test levels were low before I started juicing. It was a big factor in my decision to use steroids. I guess with us post cycle is a lot different because even if the clomid starts our natural test production it still won't help because our natural production is too low.

 

[LCBUTLER]

Yes same with me...Test level was in the 150-200 range before I ever started. I started with the Testoderm patch (they suck), then got the gel, (actually still get it), and do the injection every 2 weeks. I will usuall do 10-12 week cycles where I stack more test with eq or deca, then just go in for the injection every 2 weeks, after 8-10 weeks of that I will go back on a heavier cycle. Post cycle is a bitch for us because there is not a lot of information on the best way to do it. So when I am in between big cycles I use:

Clen
Insulin
Creatine
Glutamine
Combo of Androgel and the inject every 2 weeks
Trying to get some Anavar currently.

If I stop everything and just use clomid I would crash like crazy.

LC

 

[plifter]

The doc asked me if I wanted to take injections but he was only going to inject every 3 weeks which I don't feel is frequent enough so I said I'd rather use the gel. During cycles I probably won't use the gel at all. What's the point if you're using 500 mg of sustenon? I just hope this works.

 

[LCBUTLER]

I do not use the gel during cycles either, pointless!

Good luck with everything!!

LC

 

[MAXOUT]

Klinefelters Syndrome:

Definition
A chromosome abnormality that affects only men and causes hypogonadism.

Causes, Incidence and Risk Factors
Klinefelter's syndrome is caused by an extra X chromosome and affects only males. An infant appears normal at birth, but the defect usually becomes apparent in puberty when secondary sexual characteristics fail to develop, and testicular changes occur that eventually result in infertility in the majority of those affected. Some mild cases may go undetected with no abnormalities present except infertility. Increased maternal age may be a risk factor.


Symptoms
small penis
small firm testicles
diminished pubic, axillary, and facial hair
sexual dysfunction
enlarged breast tissue (called gynecomastia)
tall stature
abnormal body proportions (long legs, short trunk)
learning disabilities
personality impairment
simian crease (a single crease in the palm)
Note: the severity of symptoms may vary

Signs And Tests
Physical examination (rectal exam) may show an enlarged prostate.
Tests may include:

karyotyping showing 47XXY
semen exam showing low sperm count
decreased serum testosterone level
increased serum luteinizing hormone
increased serum follicle stimulating hormone



Treatment
There is no treatment for the infertility associated with this syndrome. Testosterone therapy will improve the development of secondary sexual characteristics. The testicular changes that lead to infertility are not preventable.
Gynecomastia (enlarged breast tissue) can be treated with plastic surgery if it is disfiguring.
Counseling may be of benefit to people with emotional maladjustment due to sexual dysfunction and to reinforce male identity.

Expectations (Prognosis)
Infertility cannot be treated. With testosterone therapy, a more normal appearance is the general rule.

Complications
The syndrome is associated with an increased risk of breast cancer, pulmonary disease, varicose veins, and osteoporosis

 

[plifter]

Maxout, thanks for the info, I have some of these symptoms. My penis and testicles are on the small side but the doctor said they were still well within the normal range. I did develop gyno. But as far as everything else I don't see it fitting me. I have facial hair and I usually need to shave daily. My arms and legs are proportional to my trunk. I'm not sure the doc is correct. Well actually he didn't officially say it was Klinefelters he just suspects it. I think I may just have plain hypogonadism.

 

[plifter]

DCS, what the fuck is your problem. I do know what I'm doing with the juice. If you read some more about Klinefelters you will see that many people with Klinefelters look completely normal, are able to maintain an active sex life and really the only symptom they show is infertility. The gear had nothing to do with gyno as I had gyno when I was 13 and hadn't even touched a weight yet. How in the hell do you know how I train. I'm a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder so you have no idea about me from looking at a picture. I've won a total of 11 meets and three of those were state championships. How many titles can you claim?