Good Cycle Feedback Requested

[cycleadvice]

This is my first cycle
I'm 25 145lb 5'11" BF12% lifting for about 6 month (been fit and into sports forever). My goal is to be gain about 10-15lbs keep about 10lbs. I am thinking of adding another week of andro-275 and Prim; like W2,W3,W4. I won't do any more cycles for many years since i don't want to past my "natural limits."

My understanding is that:
Andro-275 is similar to Sus-250 both with a 10-11 day half life and stays in the body for about a month.
Primobolan has a 5-6 day half life and stays in the body for about two weeks or so. Prim in mod to low amounts should have little effect on natual test production.
Anavar stays in the body for about 7-10hrs. Anavar in mod to low amounts has little effect on natual test production.
Nolva helps with lower blood pressure, helps balance cholesterol levels (raising HDL and lower LDL), and lowers cancer rate somewhat. I know it's very similar to Clomid but those are the reason why I prefer it to clomid.



Also does my PCT treatment of HCG and Clomid look right? I've read in clienical studies that large amounts of HCG actually reduces natural test production and you need a break for 5 days or so before starting Clomid; that's why i'm only using small amounts of HCG.
The 2.5mg @ 4x EOD of Var in W11 should not effect my natural test production at all; but may help me maintain gains.

Given the info above, i have created the cycle below. I beleave that the cycle below will gradually bring me off the riods. Does this look right to you guys? ANY SUGGESTIONS/ADVICE?


......Andropen-275 Primobolan Anavar ........ Nolvavdex........HCG.......Clomid
W1 ....350mg .......100mg.........00..............15-20mg..........00..........00
W2 ....275mg .......100mg.........00..............15-20mg..........00.........00
W3 ....275mg .......100mg.........00...............15-20mg..........00.........00
W4 ....275mg .......100mg.........00...............15-20mg..........00.........00
W5 .....000 ......... 300mg.........00..............15-20mg..........00..........00
W6 .....000 ......... 400mg.........00..............15-20mg..........00..........00
W7 .....000 ..........400mg.........00...............10-15mg.........400IU......00
W8 .....000 ..........000.............35mg............10mg............400IU......00
W9 .....000 ..........000............20mg 4day.......10mg.............00........00
W10.....000 .........000..............00................00................00.....100mg;250 first D
W11.....000..........000............2.5mgEOD........00..............00........100-75mgTaper
W12.....000.........000...............00.................00..............00.........75-50mgTaper

If u guys see anything that you think I should do differantly or think I've posted something you beleive to be incorrect please post a reply telling me WHY you beleive it to be incorrect.

Thx guys and gals

 

[Makavelli]

If you've only been lifting for 6 months you shouldn't even be considering AAS. You're nowhere near your natural limit and you'll probably tear a muscle from the quick strength gain. Not trying to be a dick, but I won't give advice in this instance. The only advice I will give is to train for the next 3 years naturally and then if you can do that consistently consider AAS.

 

[cycleadvice]

If you've only been lifting for 6 months you shouldn't even be considering AAS. You're nowhere near your natural limit and you'll probably tear a muscle from the quick strength gain. Not trying to be a dick, but I won't give advice in this instance. The only advice I will give is to train for the next 3 years naturally and then if you can do that consistently consider AAS.

I ment i've been training for this cycle for 6 months. I bench about 160; max 200, and sqaut 350 max about 500. I beleave this really good given my weight of 145lbs and never doing roids. And I'm not going to go crazy maxing every workout. But thanks for the reply I'll be careful not to increase my weights to rapidly.

 

[axe3]

Agree w/ Mak. 5"11" @145# you are very thin. You need to get yer diet and training in line before you think about steroids. You can put on 10# (which is your goal for your cycle) very easily if you get your diet and training in line.

How much weight have you put on since you started lifting 6 months ago?
What exactly does your diet look like?
What exactly do you do for training in the gym?

The answers to these questions are much more important that what stroids you need to take to put on 10#.

 

[alcatraz1662]

Yeah, 5'11 at 145lbs you should definitely get on a decent lifting regimen and check your diet big time. That's a little thin....My brother is 5"11 at 185lbs, and he's still got a while until I'll recomend him anything.

 

[Makavelli]

I ment i've been training for this cycle for 6 months. I bench about 160; max 200, and sqaut 350 max about 500. I beleave this really good given my weight of 145lbs and never doing roids. And I'm not going to go crazy maxing every workout. But thanks for the reply I'll be careful not to increase my weights to rapidly.

OK. I still recommend getting your diet in order and gaining some weight before starting anything. Just looking out for ya bro. Good luck.

 

[buckjoey]

OK. I still recommend getting your diet in order and gaining some weight before starting anything. Just looking out for ya bro. Good luck.

yup!

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

500 lbs squat at 145 lbs? You should enter a contest.

Since no one else is commenting on the cycle, and since you are probably going to do it anyway, regardless of what everyone is telling you, I will comment.

Your cycle sucks.

Mixing on your 1st cycle, way too short on the Andropen, not enough mg on the primo, PCT is all fucked up, I could go on, but I wont.

Learn how to eat and lift first.

Use www.fitday.com and learn how to get 3500 clean calories a day in you. That will do more than any gear.


Bluesman

 

[cycleadvice]

OK. I still recommend getting your diet in order and gaining some weight before starting anything. Just looking out for ya bro. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice. I've dropped my BF from 17% to 12% to prepare for a really high cal diet while on the cycle. What do u think of the cycle i posted? And and the PCT? The last week or so are wasted just to taper off.
Thx

 

[cycleadvice]

500 lbs squat at 145 lbs? You should enter a contest.

Since no one else is commenting on the cycle, and since you are probably going to do it anyway, regardless of what everyone is telling you, I will comment.

Your cycle sucks.

Mixing on your 1st cycle, way too short on the Andropen, not enough mg on the primo, PCT is all fucked up, I could go on, but I wont.

Learn how to eat and lift first.

Use www.fitday.com and learn how to get 3500 clean calories a day in you. That will do more than any gear.


Bluesman

Thanks for the advice. I've dropped my BF from 17% to 12% to prepare for a really high cal diet while on the cycle. What do u think of the cycle i posted? And and the PCT? The last week or so are wasted just to taper off.
Thx

 

[southpaw45]

Seriously.

Don't do that cycle, your pissing away your money.


This leads us to my favorite forum word, RESEARCH!

 

[Mazut]

The cycle is horrible, start over and get advice form the good folks here.

No offense, but you clearly have not done your homeowrk.

Go read up and come back.

 

[BOWTECH]

Ditto on the RESEARCH!

 

[asianlover]

you need to scrap that cycle and start all over again. basic first cycle is test for 10 or 12 wks. maybe some dbol to kick start it. andropen 275 is a great steroid but not at the doses you are considering. you would probable be better of with a single ester like test enth or cyp.

 

[BigAndy69]

Sorry to tell you that at 5'11 145 lbs, you are doing something wrong. You have not figure out how to do it naturally.

It comes down to:

1- Training
2- Diet
3- Lifestyle

Something is holding you back, you need to find out what it is.

 

[cycleadvice]

you need to scrap that cycle and start all over again. basic first cycle is test for 10 or 12 wks. maybe some dbol to kick start it. andropen 275 is a great steroid but not at the doses you are considering. you would probable be better of with a single ester like test enth or cyp.

Testosterone Enanthate and Dianabol have too many side effects; I'm looking for safer steroids like Primbolan Depot. I'm more interested in strength gains and even growth rather than weight gains.

How does this sound?
Weeks1-10 Primbolan Depot at 400mg week (200 twice a week).
Weeks11-12 Anavar for 10 days at 35mg a day.
Weeks1-12 May take Nova if needed

PCT
Weeks12-13 HCG 400 once every 3 days for 12 days with Nova at 15mg
Break for 5 days
Clomid for 3 weeks 200 once 100 for a week, 75-50 for a week, 50-25 for a week.

 

[axe3]

No one in their right mind is going to give you cycle advice.


Something is wrong with either your training or eating. These things need to be fixed before you start taking any drugs

 

[cycleadvice]

No one in their right mind is going to give you cycle advice.


Something is wrong with either your training or eating. These things need to be fixed before you start taking any drugs

You guys keep thinking I want bulk; I'm looking for quality strength gains. I want to keep under or around 155 maybe 160. I'm not doing this for the same reasons as the rest of you; which I'm fairly sure is bulking up. Every so often I enter kicking boxing or some other full contact martial art tourniment (2 to 4 times a year). I don't weight lift on a regular basis (I just started lifting 6 months ago), but I've trained with weights for my entire life and I'm well conditioned.

I'm only wanting to gain about 10lbs.

 

[iron22]

Read everyones post above, they hit most the info you should have researched.


You can get much stronger and stay lean naturally. Since you think you know about genetic limits, think about this because you are not listening to anyone advice. You are 5'11 and weigh 145. Your BMI (Body mass index) is at a 20.2. <18.5 is underweight and >25 is overweight, >30 is obese.

BMI is an indicator for how much weight your frame can support before you become "at risk" for things such as diabetes, heart problems, cancer. I personally do not support it because it doesnt factor in body fat%. But it should give you a numerical idea, since you seem into numbers, of how small you are.

What this means is youre VERY small for your frame. The smaller you are for your frame the easier it is to put on good quality natural weight (without factoring in genetics, previous history, metabolism type - too complicated) Hence the reason 'UUGE guys you see at the gym have to do SO much more to gain that extra 5-10lbs, here comes the AAS. AAS are for guys that have reached a point where everything is perfect. Diet, Training, Experience, Research, and then they plunge into the world of chemical enhancement. YOU have no where near reached your potential. If you want I will help you formulate a diet/training regimine to get you stronger and keep you fast without blowing up with mass.

It doesnt matter about your previous history, oh I can squat 500, I can bench this or that. Bottom line is. You are small and have clearly not researched enough about AAS, training techniques or diet to even consider using them!

I dont want you to hurt yourself because AAS might not, they WILL F you up if youre not careful!!

This is what you need to do before you should even think about USING AAS.


1) Get atleast 3000-3700 calories in EACH DAY from GOOD food.

2) 150g-225g Protein each day from good sources, chicken, steak, tuna, cottage cheese, beans.

2) Keep your carbs clean, Whole grains, unbleached flour. Your body processes these slower and it causes a slowed release of glucose, WHEREAS if you eat pixie stix your blood sugar will SHOOT up, hence the 'sugar rush', then CRASH back down... causing your body to crave more of those quick fix sugars! Also your body uses these before anything else because they are easiest and smallest chained carbohydrates... meaning if you eat tons of simple sugars (candies and dextrose based goods) your fat burning potential will be reduced greatly.

3) WORKOUT and LIFT properly! People train for years and years before they even touch or think about using AAS! If you are not getting stronger, and are frusterated - change up your workout routine. USE the search function there are tons of great resources on this website and forum.bodybuilding.com.

Theres also SO much to be learned from everyone at this board, people are experienced in the world of weight lifting, training, sports, dieting. Not everyone here is a bodybuilding, I certainly am not.


Make informed choice, make good choices
Using AAS at your point in life is a bad choice, even for your goals.

 

[cycleadvice]

Read everyones post above, they hit most the info you should have researched.


You can get much stronger and stay lean naturally. Since you think you know about genetic limits, think about this because you are not listening to anyone advice. You are 5'11 and weigh 145. Your BMI (Body mass index) is at a 20.2. <18.5 is underweight and >25 is overweight, >30 is obese.

BMI is an indicator for how much weight your frame can support before you become "at risk" for things such as diabetes, heart problems, cancer. I personally do not support it because it doesnt factor in body fat%. But it should give you a numerical idea, since you seem into numbers, of how small you are.

What this means is youre VERY small for your frame. The smaller you are for your frame the easier it is to put on good quality natural weight (without factoring in genetics, previous history, metabolism type - too complicated) Hence the reason 'UUGE guys you see at the gym have to do SO much more to gain that extra 5-10lbs, here comes the AAS. AAS are for guys that have reached a point where everything is perfect. Diet, Training, Experience, Research, and then they plunge into the world of chemical enhancement. YOU have no where near reached your potential. If you want I will help you formulate a diet/training regimine to get you stronger and keep you fast without blowing up with mass.

It doesnt matter about your previous history, oh I can squat 500, I can bench this or that. Bottom line is. You are small and have clearly not researched enough about AAS, training techniques or diet to even consider using them!

I dont want you to hurt yourself because AAS might not, they WILL F you up if youre not careful!!

This is what you need to do before you should even think about USING AAS.


1) Get atleast 3000-3700 calories in EACH DAY from GOOD food.

2) 150g-225g Protein each day from good sources, chicken, steak, tuna, cottage cheese, beans.

2) Keep your carbs clean, Whole grains, unbleached flour. Your body processes these slower and it causes a slowed release of glucose, WHEREAS if you eat pixie stix your blood sugar will SHOOT up, hence the 'sugar rush', then CRASH back down... causing your body to crave more of those quick fix sugars! Also your body uses these before anything else because they are easiest and smallest chained carbohydrates... meaning if you eat tons of simple sugars (candies and dextrose based goods) your fat burning potential will be reduced greatly.

3) WORKOUT and LIFT properly! People train for years and years before they even touch or think about using AAS! If you are not getting stronger, and are frusterated - change up your workout routine. USE the search function there are tons of great resources on this website and forum.bodybuilding.com.

Theres also SO much to be learned from everyone at this board, people are experienced in the world of weight lifting, training, sports, dieting. Not everyone here is a bodybuilding, I certainly am not.


Make informed choice, make good choices
Using AAS at your point in life is a bad choice, even for your goals.

thank you for taking the time to respond to my to post.

Right now my diet varies from ruffly 2000 to 2600 cals a day sometimes more(depends on how much i workout that day). i'm trying to maintain my weight with this intake. Keep in mind you guys are ALOT bigger than me so your cal needs are greater. (when i'm tring to gain muscle I'll eat about 3200-3600 cals.)

I'll drink a shake that is about 75% carb 25% protein before and small amouts during a workout (alittle sugar during also). Right after I'll have another shake that's about 60% carb, 40% protein wait hour and eat a small meal and multi-vits & sups (cretine mostly). I ussually eat about 5 meals a day. My diet overall is extreemly healthy large amounts of vegs (i'm the only one in my family that eats meet).

Most everyone i workout with boxes (i lack the upper body strenght to compete, but it's a workout). I kickbox about twice a week. Once a week I hike a mountain that's about 1/4 the size of the grand canyon and it's much steeper with 40lbs weights (sometimes alittle more weight). Go the the gym 2 times a week alternating Chess+Shoulders+Triceps+Abs, and Bibeps+Back+abs. My legs are ussaully "overtrained" so i don't work them out at the gym.

I've spent along time researching steroids, the roid i'm picking are one that promote mostly strenght gains and some mass.

 

[southpaw45]

Listen to these guys man. Your just not ready. I can tell you've done a lot of research, but it seems like the wrong stuff. I would def throw up the BS flag on 500lbs squat. Which I wouldn't doubt it if you were one of the guys who goes down to about 110 degrees and thinks you've done a correct squat. Anyways put off the roids, eat 4,000 calories a day for 7 days and I gurantee you'll forget about the roids for your goals.

 

[surferstar]

thank you for taking the time to respond to my to post.

Right now my diet varies from ruffly 2000 to 2600 cals a day sometimes more(depends on how much i workout that day). i'm trying to maintain my weight with this intake. Keep in mind you guys are ALOT bigger than me so your cal needs are greater. (when i'm tring to gain muscle I'll eat about 3200-3600 cals.)

I'll drink a shake that is about 75% carb 25% protein before and small amouts during a workout (alittle sugar during also). Right after I'll have another shake that's about 60% carb, 40% protein wait hour and eat a small meal and multi-vits & sups (cretine mostly). I ussually eat about 5 meals a day. My diet overall is extreemly healthy large amounts of vegs (i'm the only one in my family that eats meet).

Most everyone i workout with boxes (i lack the upper body strenght to compete, but it's a workout). I kickbox about twice a week. Once a week I hike a mountain that's about 1/4 the size of the grand canyon and it's much steeper with 40lbs weights (sometimes alittle more weight). Go the the gym 2 times a week alternating Chess+Shoulders+Triceps+Abs, and Bibeps+Back+abs. My legs are ussaully "overtrained" so i don't work them out at the gym.

I've spent along time researching steroids, the roid i'm picking are one that promote mostly strenght gains and some mass.

Dude no offense, I haven't been in this game THAT long, but done enough research and read enough post to know your wrong. LISTEN to what they tell you!! It's not that they are against you, It's the fact that they are trying to protect you from serious injury and educate you. Obviously your going to do whatever you want anyhow. This is a forum to help you. Do more reading and hopefully you'll understand.

 

[van_wilder]

You guys keep thinking I want bulk; I'm looking for quality strength gains. I want to keep under or around 155 maybe 160.

I'm only wanting to gain about 10lbs.

You do not need steroids to do this.

PM me for some diet advice....
VW

 

[boyer]

obviously a joke

 

[KA-BAR]

Yea this guy has to be joking.

 

[AlwaysOn]

I call BS on the thread starter's stats


He probably does quarter squats lol

 

[WannaBeBig72]

I ment i've been training for this cycle for 6 months. I bench about 160; max 200, and sqaut 350 max about 500. I beleave this really good given my weight of 145lbs and never doing roids. And I'm not going to go crazy maxing every workout. But thanks for the reply I'll be careful not to increase my weights to rapidly.

145 pounds at 5'11 and you can squat 500??? WTF. That sounds like BS to me. I mean you'd have to be some crazy genetic freak.