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Lipoic Acid Update
The Ideal Antioxidant Gets Even Better

Lipoic acid (aka alpha-lipoic acid, thiotic acid) has been variously called the "universal antioxidant" or the "ideal antioxidant," and with good reason. First, lipoic acid acts as a kind of "wild card" antioxidant. This means that it can substitute for other antioxidants, such as vitamins C or E. So if you're not getting enough of these substances in your diet, lipoic acid supplements can make up at least part of the deficit.

While it acts as a powerful antioxidant in its own right, lipoic acid also plays an important role in controlling blood sugar. Evidence is accumulating rapidly that both of these mechanisms may contribute to preventing many of the serious side effects of diabetes, such as nerve damage, pain, blindness, heart disease, and accelerated aging. It may also repair existing nerve damage by encouraging new nerve sprouting.

Recent studies have demonstrated that lipoic acid can also help improve muscle strength and energy levels, protect extracellular LDL cholesterol and intracellular DNA from damage by free radicals, discourage the formation and growth of cancer cells, and possibly even improve memory.

Lipoic acid is also a talented chelator, capable of removing from the blood stream excess iron and copper as well as toxic molecules of cadmium, lead and mercury.1

What Is Lipoic Acid?
Lipoic acid is considered a conditionally essential antioxidant nutrient. This means that although the body makes some of its own lipoic acid, you still need to get most of it through your diet, either from food or supplements. As with other vital substances, like melatonin, DHEA, pregnenolone, estrogen, testosterone, coenzyme Q10, and growth hormone, your body's ability to make lipoic acid declines with age. This means that, as you grow older, you become more dependent on dietary sources. Unfortunately, the best dietary sources of lipoic acid are red meats, which makes supplements a better choice for many people.

Why Lipoic Acid Is Considered the "Ideal Antioxidant"
According to Dr. Lester Packer of the University of California, Berkeley, a leading lipoic acid researcher for many years, the "ideal antioxidant" should meet all of the following criteria:2

Neutralize free radicals
Be absorbed and utilized rapidly and easily by the body
Be highly concentrated in cells, tissues, and extracellular fluid
Be capable of enhancing the effects of other antioxidants
Chelate free metal ions
Promote normal gene expression
Lipoic acid, in combination with its metabolite, dihydrolipoic acid, is the only known antioxidant that meets all these criteria. It might be termed a "broad-spectrum" antioxidant, with actions against a wide range of free radical species, including the superoxide anion, hydroxyl radical, hypochlorous acid, singlet oxygen, hydrogen peroxide, and transition metals (e.g., iron, copper, cadmium, lead, and mercury).

Its unique size (larger than vitamin C, but smaller than vitamin E) gives the lipoic acid molecule an important structural advantage. Unlike any other antioxidant, it can dissolve in both water and fats. This unique ability to go "both ways" gives lipoic acid access to virtually all body systems.2 Its water solubility lets it move throughout the blood and other extracellular fluids, which are mainly composed of water. At the same time, its fat solubility opens the doors to cell membranes and nuclear membranes, which are largely made of lipids, where it can prevent lipid peroxidation.

Besides its ability to scavenge free radicals on its own, lipoic acid also enhances the actions of its fellow antioxidant molecules, such as vitamin E and glutathione, by either substituting for them when they are deficient or by helping recycle them for further use after they have neutralized free-radical molecules.3,4

Lipoic Acid Inhibits Glycation
Lipoic acid is good news for people with diabetes for several reasons: Glycation is a reaction in which blood sugar reacts spontaneously and directly with proteins such as collagen, found in skin, blood vessels, connective tissue, and myelin (which surrounds nerve cells), and other tissues to form cross-linked sugar-damaged proteins.5 It is similar to the process of glycoslyation except that it is not driven by enzymes. Glycation is a serious problem in people with diabetes, because they have higher than optimal levels of blood sugar due to low insulin production (type I, or juvenile-onset diabetes) or high insulin resistance (type II, or adult-onset diabetes). Over many years, glycation accelerates tissue aging and may promote kidney damage, atherosclerosis, and loss of vision, all of which are common diabetic complications.



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A powerful antioxidant, lipoic acid also plays an
important role in controlling blood sugar (and
may help prevent) many of the serious side
effects of diabetes, such as nerve damage, pain,
blindness, heart disease, and accelerated aging.
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Lipoic acid reduces glycation by enhancing the movement of blood sugar into cell interiors.6,7 This is what insulin is supposed to do. But when insulin falls down on the job, lipoic acid can pick up the slack, just as it does when vitamin C or vitamin E levels drop too low. Not only does this action reduce dangerous levels of blood sugar, by increasing the amount of blood sugar available to muscle cells, it also promotes greater energy production by muscles and reduces the amount stored as fat. In one study using laboratory rats with a form of type II diabetes, lipoic acid increased insulin sensitivity and glucose disposal by 30% to 50% and reduced plasma insulin and free fatty acids by 15% to 17%.8

Lipoic Acid Prevents Free-Radical Damage
Diabetics are exceptionally susceptible to free radicals that over time cause cataracts, damage the retina, contribute to atherosclerosis, deprive heart muscle of oxygen and nutrients, and destroy nerves. By scavenging free radicals, lipoic acid, along with other antioxidants, including vitamin E and selenium, can reduce oxidative stress, thus minimizing many of the major complications of diabetes.9-12

Lipoic Acid Improves Neurologic Function
By inhibiting glycation and scavenging free radicals - thus preventing lipid peroxidation in nerve cell membranes - lipoic acid has been shown to slow the progression of diabetic neuropathy, which, if unchecked, can lead to numbness in the feet, infection, and, eventually, the need for amputation.13-16

Recent studies have shown that long-term treatment with lipoic acid can even result in "sprouting," or regeneration, of new nerve fibers to replace those that might have been destroyed by diabetes-related pathologies. In one such study, lipoic acid was found to be superior to recombinant human nerve growth factor (rhNGF) in promoting nerve growth in diabetic rats.17

Lipoic Acid Protects Brain Tissue
Reactive oxygen-free radicals are thought to be involved in a number of types of acute and chronic pathologic conditions in the brain and neural tissue. Lipoic acid may be capable of offering important protection against these damaging free radicals, because it is easily absorbed via the GI tract and crosses the blood-brain barrier. Once in the brain, it can be taken up by brain cells and tissue and reduced to dihydrolipoate, offering both intracellular and extracellular protection.

According to Dr. Lester Packer, this makes lipoic acid "an ideal substance in the treatment of oxidative brain and neural disorders involving free radical processes." Packer observes that lipoic acid provides significant protection in cases of cerebral ischemia-reperfusion, excitotoxic amino acid brain injury, mitochondrial dysfunction, diabetes and diabetic neuropathy, inborn errors of metabolism, and other causes of acute or chronic damage to brain or neural tissue.

Noting that very few pharmacological intervention strategies are currently available for treating stroke and other disorders involving free-radical injury to the brain, Dr. Packer proposes that lipoic acid, in part because it increases intracellular levels of glutathione, may be extremely valuable. "The most important thiol antioxidant, glutathione, cannot be directly administered, whereas alpha-lipoic acid can," he writes. "In vitro, animal and preliminary human studies indicate that alpha-lipoate may be effective in numerous neurodegenerative disorders.18

Lipoic acid's ability to protect brain tissue was clearly demonstrated in a recent German study in which mouse brains were subjected to focal infarct injury by blocking the flow of blood to a specific region. Those animals pretreated with subcutaneous injections of lipoic acid were found to have smaller infarct areas than untreated animals.19

Preventing Cardiovascular Disease
As most people know by now, one of the primary villains in cardiovascular disease is the low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol particle, whose job it is to carry fatty acids, cholesterol, and triglycerides to destinations all over the body. The trouble begins when LDL is damaged by oxidation or free radicals, which begins a process that ends up with the formation of fatty deposits on the inner walls of arteries, reduced blood flow, heart attacks, and strokes.

Antioxidants like vitamin E protect LDL from oxidation and free radicals. The problem is that in the process of protecting LDL, vitamin E itself is consumed. Here's where lipoic acid comes in. First, lipoic acid helps recycle vitamin E molecules, so they can rise and join the antioxidant battle again and again. Second, lipoic acid itself provides antioxidant protection for LDL.

Studies in laboratory animals have shown that lipoic acid reduces blood cholesterol by 40% and LDL levels by 42%. This results in a 72% increase in the amount of oxygen reaching the heart muscle and a 128% increase in oxygen reaching the liver.5
 
That is one hell of a good post. Was a recommended dose given in the studies cited? I would be interested to know. Thanks.
 
liftsiron said:
That is one hell of a good post. Was a recommended dose given in the studies cited? I would be interested to know. Thanks.

It didnt say a reccomended dosage but i have written a few people and will post as soon as i hear something....I am taking 1000mg 3 times a day and after 2 days feel a difference and am spilling ketones even while eating carbs its sick..

Example.......Dinner i had

London broil
Green Beans
Brown Rice
W/ALA im still in ketosis after eating a ton of rice

Later,
MAgz
 
LAWNSAVER said:
What about liver protecting abilities?? Whats the final word on that??

also curious on that. and does r-ala do anything better for your liver than s-ala or is the R just better for "other" purposes.
 
That post quotes Dr Lester Packer about the benefits of ALA. I would like to point out that he is refering to r-ALA. This is his quote from Free Radical Biology and Medicine.


"R[+]-LA [that is, R(+)-lipoic acid], and not a racemic mixture of R[+]-and S[-]- LA, should be considered a choice for therapeutic applications."
Dr. Lester Packer and colleagues, in Free Radical Biology and Medicine.
 
iceman11111 said:


That's sound about right! :)

Cheers Ice!

I should also point out that racemic IMO should definitely be used, especially on a bulker, heres a quote from fonz on the effects of s-ala:

iceman11111 said:

I think this is all going to be explained by the increased
plasma insulin from the S-ALA.

When taking ALA(high dose) and food, BG and INSULIN
go up, making it possible to get into hypo because the
ALA is going to very rapidly reduce BG levels, therefore
causing low BG and increased insulin.

I bet if you take 3000+mg at once you go for a nap.
(Happenned to me).

Now, R-ALA doesn't increase plasma insulin, so these effects
aren't seen.
(Even after 2000mg R-ALA)

BUT, and here is the BUT.

Increased insulin in this case IS NOT BAD.

BY increasing insulin you have have increased anabolism w/O
any possible adverse consequences because thes ALA is working
its nutrient-partitioning wonder.

Personally, I don't mid these effects. But, some people
will.

Increased anabolism.... sweet! Like taking exogenous insulin without the risk of getting fat due to presence of both r and S isomers.
 
iceman11111 said:


No it will not!

It actually will help you gain muscle mass without or with very light fat gain, and we are talking about extra calories.



once again.. amzing misinterpretation of the data..

consistent use of racemic ala during bulking will make you considerably fatter

post workout use only MAY be of some benefit.. though it should be "diluted with r-ala.. or use a "heavy" r-ala mixture
 
you know if someone was smart and owned a store they should sell a pack of ALA and R-ala called "Shut the FUCK up and compare it for youself Combo Pack" I would have bought and saved on shipping :D
 
macrophage69alpha said:


once again.. amzing misinterpretation of the data..


You may want to take fonz up on that one, I just echoed his statements. I'd like to see this discussion.

Fonz where are you?
 
Ant_ALA said:


You may want to take fonz up on that one, I just echoed his statements. I'd like to see this discussion.

next time try to understand the meaning of a post.... before you try to extrapolate..

that says that post workout racemic MAY be of more benefit.... that is it...

JUST post workout

JUST maybe (though on that point fonz might disagree)
 
Again! ALA increases the amount of glut-4 transporters
on the out-side of the miocytes(muscle-cells) not the adipocytes(fat cells
No shit? I thought it increased transporters on both cells, but as long as you workout your muscles tended to soak up everything quicker. Anyone else confirm this?
 
iceman11111 said:


Nope, it just increases transporters in the muscle cells!

innaccurate.. if you would like will post about 20 studies saying otherwise..

post workout being the exception.. to a certain extent (at least theoretically)
 
macrophage69alpha said:


innaccurate.. if you would like will post about 20 studies saying otherwise..

post workout being the exception.. to a certain extent (at least theoretically)

Macro is correct.

With excercise, ALA will divert all the nutrients towards the muscle cells.

Another variable being wether glycogen stores are empty or full.

But, ALA will not make you fatter. It will minimize fat gain
IMO.

Fonz
 
I can't back up Macro's science and I wouldn't begin to try and argue this with you Fonz but speaking anecdotally it has made a lot of people fatter. I have heard this for several months for people on the boards and it was one of the reasons we went with the (R+) in the first place. The regular ALA was making people fatter. Not at first though. It seems to be something that happens or at least people notice it after a month or so.
 
Here is an important question I'd appreciate an honest answer on:


If r-ala decreases insulin levels, might it be a bad choice for an ectomorph like me trying to preserve muscle off-cycle? I know when I used it while cutting I lost quite a bit of bodyfat but I've had some bad luck lately and it seems I am continually losing weight....
 
It starting to look more and more that the R and the S work in harmony together!

R = regular

S = Superior

In harmony? Yeah right. You're a riot Alice. If it wasn't funny it would be dangerous because someone might believe that.
S is a cheap synthetic filler that research shows inhibits the R.


R = Right
S = Synthetic

The S should be L for left but it's S for synthetic. I don't know why.
 
ulter said:
... the scientifically proven better

Just because science says it's better (for certian things) dosen't mean it's absolute...

I don't live my life in a science experiment....I live in the real world. And with respect to results.....ALA works in the real world no matter what science says about the s enantomer
 
Ok, seems that I have to address the issue.

1. Lets assume that someone is BULKING

Now, 2 identical twins use R-ala and Racemic ALA
respectively. They eat, train, etc.. EXACTLY the
same.

2. What happens when bulking:

You gain MUSCLE and FAT.

3. Now, lets see what happens to the RACEMIC ALA twin:

He gains muscle and fat, BUT THE FAT GAIN IS SMALLER
than if he hadn't used any ALA at all.

4. Now, lets see what happens to the R-ala twin:

He gains muscle and fat, but the fat gain is SMALLER than the Racemic twin.

Why?

r-ala DECREASES insulin levels while Racemic somewhat elevates them(This however is NOT conclusive).

Where mosy people go wrong, and NEEDLESLY blame the
supplement is that they go crazy eating carbs and OF COURSE the gain fat!!!

ALA is an additition to REDUCE fat gain or possibly lose fat
BUT CARBS HAVE TO BE REASONABLE.

Anyways, to sum it up:

In a BULKING diet.

1. R-ala will give you the LEAST POSSIBLE fat gain.
2. Racemic is second.
3. Placebo is third.

To put a quantitaive measurement to all this, if in a bulker
you gain 10lbs muscle and 10lbs fat, using a placebo,
with Racemic you'd gain 14lbs muscle and 6lbs fat, and
with r-ala about 16lbs muscle and 4lbs fat.(This number has
been extrapolated from r-ala's effects on insulin levels).

This is during a BULKER.
When on a CUTTING diet, its r-ala HANDS DOWN, for obvious reasons(Reduced insulin output).

Fonz
 
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