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The Almighty
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Zerxes said:
I wouldnt mind. Mvmaxx and BigAndy are two fo the coolest bros on the board. If you search through BigAndy's posts, you will see he is also one of the most knowledgable. (mvmaxx has his moments, but hes a little bitch
)I personally would be honored to be categorized in the same group as these two gentlemen...even if Andy is canadian.
Zerxes
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The Almighty said:
I wouldnt mind. Mvmaxx and BigAndy are two fo the coolest bros on the board. If you search through BigAndy's posts, you will see he is also one of the most knowledgable. (mvmaxx has his moments, but hes a little bitch
I personally would be honored to be categorized in the same group as these two gentlemen...even if Andy is canadian.
O god. Have some wine with that cheese brother.
PatBateman said:
If you honestly think that doing AAS has no negative impact on your health, you need to seriously wake up. I think anyone of the more knowledgable bro's around here will agree that there wil always be risks to AAS usage. But lets forget about AAS for a moment, and focus on other common bodybuilding drugs:
Slin and DNP. Now I dont hear you crying foul over some guy doing SLin or DNP, though we all know IRRESPOSIBLE use CAN kill you in a matter of days (matter of minutes/hours in the case of slin). But thats my point, theres responsible use and irresponsible use. Alot of people are taking insane amounts of AAS, just as there people out there abusing E. But again, its thier CHOICE. Again, neither we nor them HAVE to use drugs. AAS and E are not requisites to our well-being, they are unneccesary risks.But its our choice, so live with it.
No one said AAS an E were the same type of drug. What I am saying is that both ccarry health risks, both arent required for a healthy life-dtyle and both are used VOLUNTARILY.
And as ive stated before, Prozac will protect your brain 100% from the damging effects of E. Dont believe me? Go look it up on Medline and Psychinfo. So dont tell me the knowledgable person cant do E safely (ie Take your prozac, stay well hydrated, dont mix with alcohol, dont exert yourself physically). Abuse can and does happen accross the board. Dont be blind or biased in your assumptions, be realistic, and know what it is that you are really doing.
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The Almighty
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BigAndy69 said:
What else am I good for.
Fonz said:
Fonz, explain this abstract to me in plain english:
Abstract: unassigned Both enantiomers of 3,4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) competitively inhibited 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT) catabolism by rat brain MAO-A. A mixed type of inhibition by MDMA was observed for phenethylamine catabolism by MAO-B for both optical antipodes. When the MAO inhibitory properties of fenfluramine (FEN) and fluoxetine (FLUOX) were compared with those of MDMA, the rank order potency of these drugs was MDMA>FLUOX>FEN for MAO-A inhibition and FLUOX>MDMA>FEN for MAO-B inhibition. MDMA produced a preferential inhibition of MAO-A, which should increase extracellular 5-HT; this may explain its high toxicity potential. FLUOX showed an inhibition of MAO-B, which may increase the intracellular content of 5-HT and may contribute to its therapeutic potential. FEN appears to be a poor inhibitor of both MAO-A and MAO-B.
This is from a related study of effect of Prozac on E.
But in anycase, if ALA is neuroprotector, then you agree that, with enough knowledge, and responsibility, a person could use E relatively safely.
Not taking your Prozac and your ALA while on E, i think is like not taking you ALA or Milk Thistle when your running ABombs.
Im sure heavy, long term Anadrol use, without proper supplementation can be as bad in the long run as consistant and irresposible E use. Thats my bottom line.
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hitmeoff said:
dude you seem hell-bent on convincing yourself that E is safe and won't cause permanent damage. You're wrong about all of aas causing health problems, if the more sane gear is used properly you should not have any issues to speak of. Now, the gear you mention I personally would never touch slin or dnp.
Doing abombs for a long period of time as you mention is just as bad as doing e every weekend for months in a row. Look, if the E makes you feel that good, great, do it. I am surprised that you use both E and AAS, normally people very dedicated to bb who use aas won't use some of the harder drugs like e, coke, h, ketamine, and if they do they are crazy. That is what I would call reckless, and so therefore, I would call you reckless.
no hard feelings, I am just not a big fan of the E scene.
hitmeoff said:
Interesting.
What E does is put your CNS in over-drive and also plays
a role in your serotonergic metabolism.(You feel happy
and elated while on E).
The prozac would combat the serotonergic come down.
E can play havoc with your 5-HT levels.
Now, increased oxygen consumption because of CNS stimulation
produces free radicals that damage neurons. This prozac can not combat. Only ALA can as it is a very potent anti-oxidant.
Mixing ALA and Prozac(OR better yet 5-HTP. Just safer IMO)
with E would help prevent any potential damage.
It sounds good on paper. Don't know about real life though.
I don't condone E use, but if I did do E, I would DEFINATELY
use ALA and 5-HTP.
Fonz
Golden_Muscle
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Enigmaxxx7 said:o <--------Your asshole before jail
0 <-------Your asshole after jail
That is fucking funny! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its not like hes going to die, he might get raped up the shit hole but thats it! It would be a pleasure for me to go to jail.
Kidding bro, I hope you get out early on good behavior or something because what you did doesnt make you a bad person. Just eat sleep and workout like a freak for 3 years, dont make enemies and set examples if you have to. You will probably have the internet as well. Boy it must be hard to be in your situation. They should also lock up beer drinkers too. Fucking beer drinking pigs!RussianBro
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hitmeoff said:
This all sounds great... And don't get me wrong, I don't want to be perceived as one of people who blindly don't want accept that it can be administered safely... You can be right or you can be wrong... So as I... One abstract cannot possibly prove to me that E can be used safely... Example? I read probably about 6 abstracts on use of Nolva or Clomid post cycle... they pretty much contradicted each other. There is still big confusion on which one to use (both, probably is the best way to go).
But, no matter how many abstracts I read, I will never get anywhere close to this drug...
In regards of laws issues... Whenever there is someone is busted with AAS and there were "other" substances found, the AAS users get another "black mark" on them... Somehow cops and judges are more understanding of AAS use than E or cocain, etc...
It is quite frankly impossible to fight system and educate everyone else on "safe E use."
The reason that I brought up rapes on E use... I worked with almost 20 girls by now who were raped during rave parties... Sorry you couldn't understand what I was talking about. I can try typing it in Russian for you next time...
Now, if you will pardon me, I've got to go get my Test/Deca injection done...
ripped1979
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GUYS, DONT MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT WHAT THE HELL IS G? IS IT GHB?? DID HE AND HIS BUDDIES MAKE AND SELL IT THATS WHY THEY ARE ALL GETTING PUT AWAY? IS HIS GETTIG PUT AWAY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BUYING AAS? SORRY FOR THE CAPS!
PatBateman
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ripped1979 said:
from what I understand this has nothing do with aas. Yes, G is GHB and from the posts it looks like he and some friends were developing a GHB analog drug and trying to market it and sell it.
Update
OK..1st of all it was for conspireacy to traffic MDMA. I never got caught with 1 pill!!! Out of 30 people,I would not give up names-therefore I am getting hasher treatment than normal.
A drug is a drug. AS will still land you in jail if the amounts are there. I'm not out to crusade for X-but it is now 5x more criminalized than H. The FDA even wanted to put it class III-but when elections come around,tough guidelines get votes. he War on Drugs is a joke!! The agents that arrested even said all they care about is the $$...they know there are 20 other drugs out there worse than MDMA..its the media.
I went today and they DA and DEA attacked me from the go. They want 6 yrs minimal..this is for NO posession!! The judge only allowed a half hr to hear each side and we went 1.5 hrs over the time allotted. My lawyer is like fucking Al Pacino!!! He needs an Oscar!! The judge said he couldn't make a fair call without looking into the testimony from the informants more deeply. I have to go back on Dec 5th and thats lights out. On the light side,I'll get 3 yrs...for being a tough motherfucker when all these pussies copped out!! Thankfully I have the old guidelines. Under the new ones I would be doing 35- LIFE
liftsiron said:1mistake don't leave us hanging, lets hear your story
OK..1st of all it was for conspireacy to traffic MDMA. I never got caught with 1 pill!!! Out of 30 people,I would not give up names-therefore I am getting hasher treatment than normal.
A drug is a drug. AS will still land you in jail if the amounts are there. I'm not out to crusade for X-but it is now 5x more criminalized than H. The FDA even wanted to put it class III-but when elections come around,tough guidelines get votes. he War on Drugs is a joke!! The agents that arrested even said all they care about is the $$...they know there are 20 other drugs out there worse than MDMA..its the media.
I went today and they DA and DEA attacked me from the go. They want 6 yrs minimal..this is for NO posession!! The judge only allowed a half hr to hear each side and we went 1.5 hrs over the time allotted. My lawyer is like fucking Al Pacino!!! He needs an Oscar!! The judge said he couldn't make a fair call without looking into the testimony from the informants more deeply. I have to go back on Dec 5th and thats lights out. On the light side,I'll get 3 yrs...for being a tough motherfucker when all these pussies copped out!! Thankfully I have the old guidelines. Under the new ones I would be doing 35- LIFE
Oh yeah..I did help develop and market a G analog product-I can't name it because my case is tech. not over...but it does taste like fruit punch wink,wink....I'm sure they are going to let some child diddler out early to make room for me and waste tax $$.
MDMA can cause bad effects on the brain..this is not 100% clear in testing. The FDA just approved MDMA HUMAN clinical trials to begin soon...hhhhhmmm...$$$
I have nothing to worry about in jail-I've been there awaiting bail and I'm...lets say "protected"..people like the fact I kept my mouth shut
MDMA can cause bad effects on the brain..this is not 100% clear in testing. The FDA just approved MDMA HUMAN clinical trials to begin soon...hhhhhmmm...$$$
I have nothing to worry about in jail-I've been there awaiting bail and I'm...lets say "protected"..people like the fact I kept my mouth shut
Zerxes
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1Mistake said:
You're alot tougher than most would've been brother. Obviously, somone raised you with some actual sense of value. Most would've squauked like a parott. I admire you, and wish you luck.
More than likely(especially if you weren't directly involved) you would've gotten a LIGHT probation sentence MAX, if you would've rolled. Given that option, and the option of 3 years minimum, I think that 95% of people would've ratted. I hope the kiddies here doing their PETTY FUCKIN BITCHING about you not telling us what your story was fast enough, actually realize what real problems(and real decisions) are after reading your update bro!
liftsiron
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Oh yeah..I did help develop and market a G analog product-I can't name it because my case is tech. not over...but it does taste like fruit punch wink,wink....I'm sure they are going to let some child diddler out early to make room for me and waste tax $$.
MDMA can cause bad effects on the brain..this is not 100% clear in testing. The FDA just approved MDMA HUMAN clinical trials to begin soon...hhhhhmmm...$$$
I have nothing to worry about in jail-I've been there awaiting bail and I'm...lets say "protected"..people like the fact I kept my mouth shut
Where did you get your info on human clincial trails with MDMA? Did it come to you in a dream, induced by GHB? Oh, my mistake you don't dream when your in a coma. As far as being "protected" wink,wink, let's see how long that lasts when you get to the big house. Not everyone who goes to prison gets raped, however, just those with a cocky attitude who falsly believe that they are protected. When in prison son your on your own. A word of caution don't accept any favors.
MDMA can cause bad effects on the brain..this is not 100% clear in testing. The FDA just approved MDMA HUMAN clinical trials to begin soon...hhhhhmmm...$$$
I have nothing to worry about in jail-I've been there awaiting bail and I'm...lets say "protected"..people like the fact I kept my mouth shut
Where did you get your info on human clincial trails with MDMA? Did it come to you in a dream, induced by GHB? Oh, my mistake you don't dream when your in a coma. As far as being "protected" wink,wink, let's see how long that lasts when you get to the big house. Not everyone who goes to prison gets raped, however, just those with a cocky attitude who falsly believe that they are protected. When in prison son your on your own. A word of caution don't accept any favors.
liftsiron said:
Where did you get your info on human clincial trails with MDMA? Did it come to you in a dream, induced by GHB? Oh, my mistake you don't dream when your in a coma. As far as being "protected" wink,wink, let's see how long that lasts when you get to the big house. Not everyone who goes to prison gets raped, however, just those with a cocky attitude who falsly believe that they are protected. When in prison son your on your ow
. A word of caution don't accept any favors.
MDMA trails are under way in humans..thats just it -nobody nows long-term effects. Please don't take what I say as being cocky-I'm much smarter than that-I've been to jail before,so I know its a new world. Lets put it this way: when you play with the big boys ,it has its pros and cons. I got arrested-should I go to jail,YES!! What I did was illegal-but the people whom I protected,now will return the favor. The underworld is a crazy place-unless you've been there than you have no call to diss me.What I'm saying is the war on drugs is a $$ making machine- I'll get more jail time than a violent reapeat offender. The MDMA laws are a joke!! There are many good ,educated people that are locked up because of it
J
Lift Chief
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I agree... the drug laws are overally harsh IMO. Seems like violent offenders get only a little more jail time than someone who does drugs. And that is their own choice- they aren't hurting anyone. Again, just my opinion.
liftsiron
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Originally posted by Zerxes
"Illegal": Yes, it should be.
"Harsh Penalties": Nope. Fines out the ass maybe, but not Jail. Too many violent offenders getting out early because guys with 100 tabs of MDMA have to occupy Cells, because of "Manditory Minimum Penalties" associated with all States, as well as Federal, Drug Laws. And if you don't know that much, you are the one who doesn't know head from ass bro.
This statement rings very true, I had worked for the MI dept. of corrections for eight years, and yes I have seen violent crimminals let out early to make room for drunk drivers and window peepers. I do not condone what 1mistake has been charged with, but he seems like a nice young guy who has fucked up and been caught. I would not think him a terrible threat to society, a person that must be imprisioned. I would much rather see him on probation or home arrest where he can work and contribute to society. By my own experience I really haven't seen any good being done by locking up NON VIOLENT first time offenders. Also 1mistake has shown some class by argueing his point of view in an intelligent fashion, rather than resorting to profanity. Some of us were a little harsh with him, myself included. Good luck 1mistake.
"Illegal": Yes, it should be.
"Harsh Penalties": Nope. Fines out the ass maybe, but not Jail. Too many violent offenders getting out early because guys with 100 tabs of MDMA have to occupy Cells, because of "Manditory Minimum Penalties" associated with all States, as well as Federal, Drug Laws. And if you don't know that much, you are the one who doesn't know head from ass bro.
This statement rings very true, I had worked for the MI dept. of corrections for eight years, and yes I have seen violent crimminals let out early to make room for drunk drivers and window peepers. I do not condone what 1mistake has been charged with, but he seems like a nice young guy who has fucked up and been caught. I would not think him a terrible threat to society, a person that must be imprisioned. I would much rather see him on probation or home arrest where he can work and contribute to society. By my own experience I really haven't seen any good being done by locking up NON VIOLENT first time offenders. Also 1mistake has shown some class by argueing his point of view in an intelligent fashion, rather than resorting to profanity. Some of us were a little harsh with him, myself included. Good luck 1mistake.
Fukkenshredded
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I find it particularly interesting that those who claim not to use MDMA are the ones claiming to know so much about it. The only provable statement in the entire thread about MDMA is that the long term effects on humans are, as of yet, undocumented. The study generally cited (baboon correlation study) to suggest that there is so called irreversible damage to the brain is highly flawed. Firstly, the doses utilized were approximately 20-30 times the average recreational dose for a human. Secondly, one fifth of the baboons died immediately after their injection. Clearly, there is no evidence to support a biological correlation between humans and baboons, and the only interesting aspect of the study, to me, is wondering what a baboon on a heroic hit of MDMA acts like.
The allegations and reports of "thousands of deaths every year" is simply untrue, period. So far, there have been less than 80,000 visits to the hospital, and less than 10000 deaths even involving MDMA, ever. There is some data to support that MDMA is responsible for less than 1000 deaths by itself. Coke sends tens of thousands to the hopital yearly. Aspirin kills hundreds. Tylenol, several thousand. Supposedly MDMA is highly toxic, but there are two studies of humans who were heavy users that showed NO STATISTICAL DEVIANCE from a normal brain at all.
I used MDMA for twelve years straight. Huge doses in some cases. I did it every Friday and Saturday for over a year. When I added winny and other drugs I fired y liver, but my brain is still functioning fairly well. Add to this that I am (since childhood) a diagnosed schizophrenic/bipolar, with a very different brain pattern to begin with. MDMA has not exacerbated the problem at all. Not one little bit. In fact, I can say wholeheartedly that it did enhance my life in many ways.
You want to know what is causing the mishap rate to increase? The fact that it being manufactured in clandestine settings, with impurities, substitutes, and careless dealers piloting the market. Just like with GHB, the hospital visits started esactly after it was made illegal, by and large, with very very few exceptions. Even the DEA will admit that with both MDMA and GHB hospital visits, over half of them involve other drugs. With GHB, over ninety percent. Go figure.
MDMA is actually now being hailed by scientists as the KEY to reducing the tremors caused by PArkinson's disease. No medical value? MDMA has helped alcoholics recover, has a better than 3 to 1 ratio of relationship repair in a therapeutic setting as reported by psychiatrists who utilized it in their settings. For kids and ravers? I can tell you, not so. It is unfortunate that now it is popular among kids, and moreover, parents are not equipped with the knowledge to educate their children with, so the kids just hide the fact that they are using it, and eventually they wind up with a PMA pill and check themselves into a dirt nap.
At the end of the day, a better case can be made for MDMA use than for steroid use, from both a social and a psychological point of view. As with any powerful drug, education should be the rule, responsibility the hallmark, and moderation the practice.
Of course, I do not use any illegal drugs at this point whatsoever, but I am free to discuss the absurdities of our durrent laws, and it is in the spirit of intelligent discourse that I post this, not to encourage use of MDMA.
The allegations and reports of "thousands of deaths every year" is simply untrue, period. So far, there have been less than 80,000 visits to the hospital, and less than 10000 deaths even involving MDMA, ever. There is some data to support that MDMA is responsible for less than 1000 deaths by itself. Coke sends tens of thousands to the hopital yearly. Aspirin kills hundreds. Tylenol, several thousand. Supposedly MDMA is highly toxic, but there are two studies of humans who were heavy users that showed NO STATISTICAL DEVIANCE from a normal brain at all.
I used MDMA for twelve years straight. Huge doses in some cases. I did it every Friday and Saturday for over a year. When I added winny and other drugs I fired y liver, but my brain is still functioning fairly well. Add to this that I am (since childhood) a diagnosed schizophrenic/bipolar, with a very different brain pattern to begin with. MDMA has not exacerbated the problem at all. Not one little bit. In fact, I can say wholeheartedly that it did enhance my life in many ways.
You want to know what is causing the mishap rate to increase? The fact that it being manufactured in clandestine settings, with impurities, substitutes, and careless dealers piloting the market. Just like with GHB, the hospital visits started esactly after it was made illegal, by and large, with very very few exceptions. Even the DEA will admit that with both MDMA and GHB hospital visits, over half of them involve other drugs. With GHB, over ninety percent. Go figure.
MDMA is actually now being hailed by scientists as the KEY to reducing the tremors caused by PArkinson's disease. No medical value? MDMA has helped alcoholics recover, has a better than 3 to 1 ratio of relationship repair in a therapeutic setting as reported by psychiatrists who utilized it in their settings. For kids and ravers? I can tell you, not so. It is unfortunate that now it is popular among kids, and moreover, parents are not equipped with the knowledge to educate their children with, so the kids just hide the fact that they are using it, and eventually they wind up with a PMA pill and check themselves into a dirt nap.
At the end of the day, a better case can be made for MDMA use than for steroid use, from both a social and a psychological point of view. As with any powerful drug, education should be the rule, responsibility the hallmark, and moderation the practice.
Of course, I do not use any illegal drugs at this point whatsoever, but I am free to discuss the absurdities of our durrent laws, and it is in the spirit of intelligent discourse that I post this, not to encourage use of MDMA.
Fuffenshredded- great post, thats what most peopel don't understand there are so many variables when it comes to testing something. The average person jsst trust our government when its motive almost all the time is money. And the one thing that pisses me off the most is how it is classified as a schedule I... How can they say it has NO medical purposes. I've seen plenty of shows where people who have relationship problems or getting over the death of a loved one take mdma by the orders of a therapist...We also have to remember that it would be less harmful to us if it truly was PURE MDMA... If they want to crack down on the distributuon of it they need to change the laws to go after the MAJOR players not the pushers. There will always be people willing to push X, your never going to get rid of those people, you have to make it so they can't get it.
---PEACE---Mad Max
---PEACE---Mad Max
smith2727
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RussianBro said:
How interesting that we seem so ready to jump aboard these results that say how bad this drug is but take similar (negative) AAS study results with a grain of salt? Wonder if it's the same rats and monkeys who are already juiced up from the gear studies? Did they seem really agitated? my .02
RussianBro
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smith2727 said:
I'm sorry, but I was reviewing my posts and simply couldn't find any outlook of AAS studies with a "grain of salt."
It is interesting, however that "we" are so eager to jump to critisize someone's opinion and not have anything to counter offer...
Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...
liftsiron
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Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...
Russian Bro, did I miss something, no heros in this thread. While my opinion of 1mistake as a person has changed durning this thread, I still think that he fucked up. My opinion of MDMA has not, I think that people who use it recreationally are playing with fire for a number of reasons, legal issues among them. Fuckenshredded admitts that his liver is fried from years of MDMA abuse, yet he vehmently defends it, go figure? I do not believe that there is any moral issues involved in ones personal choice to use drugs, however providing these drugs to childern and teenagers is another issue all together. The trouble with drug addicted people is that they deny the addiction to themselves, as well as deny the possible consequences of their use. I feel that I have an additiction to anabolics, at the very least an insatiable desire to use them, so I take precautions, such as limiting alcohol consumption, proper nutrition and supplemention, various blood screens etc. Also I do not use anadrol, dianabol,halo or tren, nor do I mega dose. I also realize that there are possible negative consequences to my decesion to use anabolics, cost to benefit ratio. I may disagree with someone elses choice of drugs, but by no means do I feel that I have any right to pass judgement. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmass
Russian Bro, did I miss something, no heros in this thread. While my opinion of 1mistake as a person has changed durning this thread, I still think that he fucked up. My opinion of MDMA has not, I think that people who use it recreationally are playing with fire for a number of reasons, legal issues among them. Fuckenshredded admitts that his liver is fried from years of MDMA abuse, yet he vehmently defends it, go figure? I do not believe that there is any moral issues involved in ones personal choice to use drugs, however providing these drugs to childern and teenagers is another issue all together. The trouble with drug addicted people is that they deny the addiction to themselves, as well as deny the possible consequences of their use. I feel that I have an additiction to anabolics, at the very least an insatiable desire to use them, so I take precautions, such as limiting alcohol consumption, proper nutrition and supplemention, various blood screens etc. Also I do not use anadrol, dianabol,halo or tren, nor do I mega dose. I also realize that there are possible negative consequences to my decesion to use anabolics, cost to benefit ratio. I may disagree with someone elses choice of drugs, but by no means do I feel that I have any right to pass judgement. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmass
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Golfer18--old
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Hahha its pretty amusing when someone defends a drug like X..........Take your bullshit drug blindfold off and quit the bullshit. I am here for anabolics not to hear about fucking X. Really I think threads shouldn't even be allowed on that shit right now. Any fed who reads the board has a TOTAL different outlook on X then Juice. If you don't beleive me then your sick.
Golfer18 said:
After I got arrested and refused to "be on their team",I was transported to a Federal holding jail-On the way there,while sitting in the backseat(handcuffed) The agents started talking to me and I asked them what they thought of X...and to my shock,they looked at each other and started laughing. They thought it was a joke it was a class I,and they said the DEA and FBI only care about the huge amounts of $$ dealers were making. What I did was illegal-and i deserve to see jail time...but not 6 yrs. At the time of the arrest,X was blowing up and the Govt. had no $$ control off of it-it was all Russian and Isreali crime groups...the Gov takes in more than half of the drugs in the US anyway...all they want is there cut.Anyone up the food chain knows what I'm talking about...
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Fukkenshredded
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Yeah, well...read it again. I did not say that my liver is fried from X use. What I said was that when stacking a variety of drugs that were harsh to my liver, including X, I became sick. In fact, the doctors attributed the primary damage to winstrol.
Secondly, I don't defend any drug. What I defend is the individual's right to choose what he does or does not put into his own body. I believe that we should hold people accountable for their behaviors, not their choice of drugs.
If you review the hearings about how to tell if people are on X, you will come away grinning and horrified at the same time. After all, it was proposed in the late nineties that 'inappropriate happiness and friendliness' as well as 'an overly celebratrory attitude' should be permitted as probable cause for arresting one for using MDMA.
Think about that. It was actually proposed that you could get arrested for BEING IN A GOOD MOOD. Fortunately even the DEA laughed that one out of the room. However, the debate did eventually lead to the RAVE act, which is pretty much just as absurd.
MDMA allows for an enhanced sense of well being, an increased empathy, personal insight, and mental clarity.
Tylenol allows escape from a headache.
MDMA has a safety margin about three times that of Tylenol.
Tylenol will stop your liver completely long before MDMA ever would. People die from it every year, in large numbers.
You were saying...?
Secondly, I don't defend any drug. What I defend is the individual's right to choose what he does or does not put into his own body. I believe that we should hold people accountable for their behaviors, not their choice of drugs.
If you review the hearings about how to tell if people are on X, you will come away grinning and horrified at the same time. After all, it was proposed in the late nineties that 'inappropriate happiness and friendliness' as well as 'an overly celebratrory attitude' should be permitted as probable cause for arresting one for using MDMA.
Think about that. It was actually proposed that you could get arrested for BEING IN A GOOD MOOD. Fortunately even the DEA laughed that one out of the room. However, the debate did eventually lead to the RAVE act, which is pretty much just as absurd.
MDMA allows for an enhanced sense of well being, an increased empathy, personal insight, and mental clarity.
Tylenol allows escape from a headache.
MDMA has a safety margin about three times that of Tylenol.
Tylenol will stop your liver completely long before MDMA ever would. People die from it every year, in large numbers.
You were saying...?
smith2727
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liftsiron said:Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...
Russian Bro, did I miss something, no heros in this thread. While my opinion of 1mistake as a person has changed durning this thread, I still think that he fucked up. My opinion of MDMA has not, I think that people who use it recreationally are playing with fire for a number of reasons, legal issues among them. Fuckenshredded admitts that his liver is fried from years of MDMA abuse, yet he vehmently defends it, go figure? I do not believe that there is any moral issues involved in ones personal choice to use drugs, however providing these drugs to childern and teenagers is another issue all together. The trouble with drug addicted people is that they deny the addiction to themselves, as well as deny the possible consequences of their use. I feel that I have an additiction to anabolics, at the very least an insatiable desire to use them, so I take precautions, such as limiting alcohol consumption, proper nutrition and supplemention, various blood screens etc. Also I do not use anadrol, dianabol,halo or tren, nor do I mega dose. I also realize that there are possible negative consequences to my decesion to use anabolics, cost to benefit ratio. I may disagree with someone elses choice of drugs, but by no means do I feel that I have any right to pass judgement. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmass
you took the words right out of my mouth iron
liftsiron said:Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...
Russian Bro, did I miss something, no heros in this thread. While my opinion of 1mistake as a person has changed durning this thread, I still think that he fucked up. My opinion of MDMA has not, I think that people who use it recreationally are playing with fire for a number of reasons, legal issues among them. Fuckenshredded admitts that his liver is fried from years of MDMA abuse, yet he vehmently defends it, go figure? I do not believe that there is any moral issues involved in ones personal choice to use drugs, however providing these drugs to childern and teenagers is another issue all together. The trouble with drug addicted people is that they deny the addiction to themselves, as well as deny the possible consequences of their use. I feel that I have an additiction to anabolics, at the very least an insatiable desire to use them, so I take precautions, such as limiting alcohol consumption, proper nutrition and supplemention, various blood screens etc. Also I do not use anadrol, dianabol,halo or tren, nor do I mega dose. I also realize that there are possible negative consequences to my decesion to use anabolics, cost to benefit ratio. I may disagree with someone elses choice of drugs, but by no means do I feel that I have any right to pass judgement. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmass
Just reread your post. This is an example of how you be personally against the use of E (or any drug) and still have the right frame of mind on thing. This is an opinion that I can respect. Karma for you bro.
liftsiron
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Yeah, well...read it again. I did not say that my liver is fried from X use. What I said was that when stacking a variety of drugs that were harsh to my liver, including X, I became sick. In fact, the doctors attributed the primary damage to winstrol.
Secondly, I don't defend any drug. What I defend is the individual's right to choose what he does or does not put into his own body. I believe that we should hold people accountable for their behaviors, not their choice of drugs.
If you review the hearings about how to tell if people are on X, you will come away grinning and horrified at the same time. After all, it was proposed in the late nineties that 'inappropriate happiness and friendliness' as well as 'an overly celebratrory attitude' should be permitted as probable cause for arresting one for using MDMA.
Think about that. It was actually proposed that you could get arrested for BEING IN A GOOD MOOD. Fortunately even the DEA laughed that one out of the room. However, the debate did eventually lead to the RAVE act, which is pretty much just as absurd.
MDMA allows for an enhanced sense of well being, an increased empathy, personal insight, and mental clarity.
Tylenol allows escape from a headache.
MDMA has a safety margin about three times that of Tylenol.
Tylenol will stop your liver completely long before MDMA ever would. People die from it every year, in large numbers.
You were saying...?
I said that I don't advocate the use of MDMA or X etc. nor do I pass judgement on those that do. I offer my apology on the remark about your liver problems, although I suspect that poly drug use, not winstrol alone has lead to your problems. I wish you a full recovery. I agree that tylonel is extremely dangerous to the liver, I have stated so in many threads. I also agree that the gov't approach to many drugs are absurd. Peace bro.
Secondly, I don't defend any drug. What I defend is the individual's right to choose what he does or does not put into his own body. I believe that we should hold people accountable for their behaviors, not their choice of drugs.
If you review the hearings about how to tell if people are on X, you will come away grinning and horrified at the same time. After all, it was proposed in the late nineties that 'inappropriate happiness and friendliness' as well as 'an overly celebratrory attitude' should be permitted as probable cause for arresting one for using MDMA.
Think about that. It was actually proposed that you could get arrested for BEING IN A GOOD MOOD. Fortunately even the DEA laughed that one out of the room. However, the debate did eventually lead to the RAVE act, which is pretty much just as absurd.
MDMA allows for an enhanced sense of well being, an increased empathy, personal insight, and mental clarity.
Tylenol allows escape from a headache.
MDMA has a safety margin about three times that of Tylenol.
Tylenol will stop your liver completely long before MDMA ever would. People die from it every year, in large numbers.
You were saying...?
I said that I don't advocate the use of MDMA or X etc. nor do I pass judgement on those that do. I offer my apology on the remark about your liver problems, although I suspect that poly drug use, not winstrol alone has lead to your problems. I wish you a full recovery. I agree that tylonel is extremely dangerous to the liver, I have stated so in many threads. I also agree that the gov't approach to many drugs are absurd. Peace bro.
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1Mistake said:
6 yrs? DAMN bro. I feel for ya. You shoulda skipped town or something. Are you going to state prison?
I think he was trying to say that I am not your typical criminal. I met one wrong person and he led me down a road that I've never seen before. I walked off the beaten path and all this happened to me. It takes a lot of balls to get picked up and offered a deal that was a TOTAL walk...and i didn't take it...only to have this motherless fuck roll on me and everyone else(people that would kill your whole family) I just can't believe I let my guard down and this happened...
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lincoln said:
Thats the funniest thing I have ever read, he is going to jail for dealing drugs. And you say this:
Obviously, somone raised you with some actual sense of value.
And you are sitting here reading the "anabolics forum" because you are an angel?
Don't be a hypocric...
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IronFist said:
And you are sitting here reading the "anabolics forum" because you are an angel?
My understanding of the word hypocrite is:
Someone who is critical of another person or persons for engaging in an activity that they themselves also engage in.
Last time I checked I wasn't dealing any drugs.
Anyways, I am not picking on the guy. I wish him the best of luck.
I just think it is funny that someone would make that statement in this post.
Kinda like how George got all bent sideways at the BusinessWeek article when they said this is a haven for drug deals.
Yet he sells books that tell you how to do it and not get caught.
I did time, not six years but enough to correct my worldly views.
Being bored all the time is worse then anything else.
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I dont think its a stretch to call you hipocrite.
See if it wasnt for people like you (drug users) there wouldnt be a market for people like him (drug dealers). Now dont try to seperate yourself by telling me you do AAS and not rec drugs. Both are illegal, and both have demand, and therefore theres a black market for both.
Bottom line is, when theres a demand, there will always be a supplier. When the good demanded is illegal, then the supplier must do illegal things in order to supply the consumer.
So people like us who demand illegal drugs (AAS or other wise) create jobs for people like him. We are both contributing to the deliquency of each other.
I dont think its immoral what hes done, he was just simply a business man. Would you call tobacco execs, or alcohol brewers immoral? (Remember to seperate morality from the law, they are NOT the same thing). Better yet, are Ronald McDonald, Jack, or Carl immoral persons for peddling food that will lead to heart disease, hypertension and diabetes???
No, the drug dealer, tobacco exec, brewer, and fast food peddler are all just business men. If we didnt demand these things from them, they would be out of business.
See if it wasnt for people like you (drug users) there wouldnt be a market for people like him (drug dealers). Now dont try to seperate yourself by telling me you do AAS and not rec drugs. Both are illegal, and both have demand, and therefore theres a black market for both.
Bottom line is, when theres a demand, there will always be a supplier. When the good demanded is illegal, then the supplier must do illegal things in order to supply the consumer.
So people like us who demand illegal drugs (AAS or other wise) create jobs for people like him. We are both contributing to the deliquency of each other.
I dont think its immoral what hes done, he was just simply a business man. Would you call tobacco execs, or alcohol brewers immoral? (Remember to seperate morality from the law, they are NOT the same thing). Better yet, are Ronald McDonald, Jack, or Carl immoral persons for peddling food that will lead to heart disease, hypertension and diabetes???
No, the drug dealer, tobacco exec, brewer, and fast food peddler are all just business men. If we didnt demand these things from them, they would be out of business.
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hitmeoff said:
Thanks for the lesson in Busines 101. Did you just get out of class and felt the need to share?
I do rec drugs all the time and you are so far off base it is ridiculous.
This is the comment I was speaking of:
"Obviously, somone raised you with some actual sense of value."
Drug dealers have no morals. Bottom line. Burger King sells hamburgers and they are legal. Your comparison is apples and oranges.
If a ten year old sent an email to a source overseas and then stole his moms credit card to use on Western Union. THE SOURCE WOULD SEND ANYTHING HE WANTED.
Why? Because they do not care about people, they have morals or values.
Your post makes it seem like drug dealing is a way to help the economy. It doesnt create jobs it destroys lives.
I haven't had morals or values in years so dont even think of going there.
Stick around a while, learn some more and then start posting again.
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PumpinIronInTn
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fuck that go to mexico brutha
or england damn
or england damn
First of all, note what I wrote: "Remember to seperate morality from the law, they are NOT the same thing" This is something you must understand. There are many things out there which are legal, yet would be considered immoral, just as there illegal activities that would be considered perfectly moral.
Drug dealers, if they wish to stay in business for any length of time without getting popped, or blasted need to have a sense of morals too. Dont be foolish. Be realistic. I know, I was in the game. The surest way to get yourself popped is to: a) sell bunk shit and b) sell to kids. Druggies are more unscrupulous than drug dealers in most cases. It wouldnt be a thing for a druggie to drop a dime on a guy if he got em some bad shit. And guess what, kids squeal, if a perent found out thier kid was doing drugs, you better beleive your gonna be ratted out.
The percentage of drug dealers who would be stupid enugh to sell to a kid is small, and its small because those idiots are already in jail. And any kid can steal his parents CC number go out and send a money transfer and buy anything from anyone. Dont be a moron. That argument holds NO water and you know it.
A good drug dealer must care about his customers. You seem to think that running an operation is radically different than running a legitamte business. Reality check my friend: its no different. TO be succesful in this business takes the same thing that it takes to be successful in any other kind of business: Customer Service and some sort of moral code, some standard of quality. If you think Ive got my head up my ass, then you need check into something called REALITY.
As a matte rof fact, drug dealing does create and economy, its called the underground economy. ANd you can thank ridiculous drug laws for creating that economy. Lets not even ge tinto the stupidity of the War On Drugs.
Ive been around not just this game but the underground game for a while now. Ive been deep in it, often regret somethings I have done. But you dont live the life without learning something along the way. So beleive me, Im not just talking out of a text book or out of my ass.
And if you didnt have any morals, why are you getting so hot and bothered over morality anyway?
Drug dealers, if they wish to stay in business for any length of time without getting popped, or blasted need to have a sense of morals too. Dont be foolish. Be realistic. I know, I was in the game. The surest way to get yourself popped is to: a) sell bunk shit and b) sell to kids. Druggies are more unscrupulous than drug dealers in most cases. It wouldnt be a thing for a druggie to drop a dime on a guy if he got em some bad shit. And guess what, kids squeal, if a perent found out thier kid was doing drugs, you better beleive your gonna be ratted out.
The percentage of drug dealers who would be stupid enugh to sell to a kid is small, and its small because those idiots are already in jail. And any kid can steal his parents CC number go out and send a money transfer and buy anything from anyone. Dont be a moron. That argument holds NO water and you know it.
A good drug dealer must care about his customers. You seem to think that running an operation is radically different than running a legitamte business. Reality check my friend: its no different. TO be succesful in this business takes the same thing that it takes to be successful in any other kind of business: Customer Service and some sort of moral code, some standard of quality. If you think Ive got my head up my ass, then you need check into something called REALITY.
As a matte rof fact, drug dealing does create and economy, its called the underground economy. ANd you can thank ridiculous drug laws for creating that economy. Lets not even ge tinto the stupidity of the War On Drugs.
Ive been around not just this game but the underground game for a while now. Ive been deep in it, often regret somethings I have done. But you dont live the life without learning something along the way. So beleive me, Im not just talking out of a text book or out of my ass.
And if you didnt have any morals, why are you getting so hot and bothered over morality anyway?
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Lincoln, I have never mentioned it but I respect you more than 99% of the other members of the board...I know you are making a good point here but you should take down your SSN for your safety bro.
As for the name and addy, I posted mine about 6 months ago when I mistakenly labeled a friend as a scammer and got a lot of shit for it. Just prepping you for the flames from board members who know nothing about honor.
As for the name and addy, I posted mine about 6 months ago when I mistakenly labeled a friend as a scammer and got a lot of shit for it. Just prepping you for the flames from board members who know nothing about honor.
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lincoln said:
All I got to say bro, is right on. It dont make it right. Youve made a very good point and I think people will finally start to think a little bit, well hopefully over all this.
You know, maybe you should look back and rethink about your past mistakes.
I dont have a record, because I never got caught. The fact that you DO have a record does not prove you knew how to run your game. Hell, you went to jail over it.
I dont deny that you didnt do anything you said you did. But let me give you an example. I made the bad mistake of taking on one of my friends as a business partner. I had to, because he was getting shit cheaper than I could. This guy ran his side of the game completely different from me. He made a lot of enemies along the way by treating his clientel like garbage. By shorting them on sales, just being an all around dick. In the end the dude never had anyone willing to help him out, he had no where to go, cause no one liked him. He did his own time. On the other hand, myself, no one ever dropped a dime on me, and when shit went down, I always had people backing me up.
Believe me, it never pays to treat your customers with disrespect. And loyalty goes a long way.
I dont have a record, because I never got caught. The fact that you DO have a record does not prove you knew how to run your game. Hell, you went to jail over it.
I dont deny that you didnt do anything you said you did. But let me give you an example. I made the bad mistake of taking on one of my friends as a business partner. I had to, because he was getting shit cheaper than I could. This guy ran his side of the game completely different from me. He made a lot of enemies along the way by treating his clientel like garbage. By shorting them on sales, just being an all around dick. In the end the dude never had anyone willing to help him out, he had no where to go, cause no one liked him. He did his own time. On the other hand, myself, no one ever dropped a dime on me, and when shit went down, I always had people backing me up.
Believe me, it never pays to treat your customers with disrespect. And loyalty goes a long way.
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Dope dealers in a pissing match. For christs sake whats next? who fucked who in the joint?
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Frackal
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Do not refer to those who sell steroids as dope dealers
Big Mac Attack
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they were talking about X. In my mind X is dope. But then again you are right roid dealers arnt dope dealers and they shouldnt be confused.
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hitmeoff said:
Just so u know, my lockdown had nothing to do with drugs.
I was making fake id's and my ex roomate screwed me.
If u havent learned from me calling you out then preach on.
U live in the "what if" I live in the "i did".
Sorry "The Almighty" and those who I have learned so much from.
hitmeoff I will hit you off any time and place.
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Skullfucked
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Morphine is used medically. Anything used in that manner cannot be schedule I.manny78 said:
lincoln said:
Ok? At what point do I put myself in the what if? I talk about my own personal experiance , and the experiance of people I knew.
If by "what if" you meant that I never served time, well damn right I wanna stay in the "what if" But I dont see how never being in jail invalidates my point any. I dont see how you being in jail validates your point, since you just said you werent even in jail for dealing. Sorry, but I dont follow you.
lincoln said:
So I bet you feel real big now right? You sure showed me by saying that right?
To tell you the truth, I have no idea where exactly you took offense. I just think people should be held responsible for thier own actions. Drug dealers and buyers alike. THats my whole point.
I dont know how you ran your game, I dont know how people you knew ran thier game. Maybe they did sell to kids, maybe they did treat thier customers like shit. Maybe they were just dealing with crack heads and tweekers.
Myself, along with others that I knew always treated people right, and for that we had loyal customers. THose treated thier customers like shit, well, I told you that story already.
And back ot the orginal point that started this whole shit. Fact is, most people would break down and rat out a source to save thier own ass. They'll drop dimes on who ever they can think of to keep themselves outta jail. People who trusted them, people who always took care of them. These are the people that they back stab. The facct is 1MIstake coulda saved himself alot of trouble by ratting people out, but he didnt. He kept his mouh shut, It take a lot of character and alot of strength to do something like that. So what some may call charracted and strength, other call a moral code. WHatever yyou wanna call it, you cant tell me its not something admirable. Thats my point.
I any case Im done with this thread. Wish 1Mistake all the luck in the world. And ot Lincoln, Im not one to hold any grudges, dont know where we misunderstood each other, so peace bro.
