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Going on and not coming off, or bridging between cycle?
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Blast and cruise is pretty common with a lot of the TRT/HRT guys. They'll cycle at 500+mgs a week for a few months, maybe toss in an oral or a nandrolone, then cruise at around 250mg for a good while.
Your biggest issue would be recovery, should you ever decide to come off. Most cruisers go in knowing they'll never come off again...
Your biggest issue would be recovery, should you ever decide to come off. Most cruisers go in knowing they'll never come off again...
Not a good idea at all, unless you want to make pinning your lifestyle until you die. As far as making and retaining gains I'm sure its excellent, but not worth it IMO
At your age, I'd come off and recover.
I intend on cycling well into my 40s before I consider TRT. Pinning isn't all that bad, but I bet after weekly injects for years and years, I'd be ready to go on a killing spree... I don't even like using the same toothpaste for over a year.
I intend on cycling well into my 40s before I consider TRT. Pinning isn't all that bad, but I bet after weekly injects for years and years, I'd be ready to go on a killing spree... I don't even like using the same toothpaste for over a year.
Pinnings never been a problem for me. Im 38 next week and just pondering different avenues. Tired of the cycle rollercoaster
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Do you lose all gains or at least maintain some? I usually run a strong pct and then run some sort of bridge leading into my next cycle, and it helps keep most gains I make.
Long run, it's probably only slightly more expensive than staying on permanently, and I don't have to worry about being shut down so hard if I wanted to go natty for a good stretch
Long run, it's probably only slightly more expensive than staying on permanently, and I don't have to worry about being shut down so hard if I wanted to go natty for a good stretch
Nice bridge as an option;
1-8 osta 25 mg dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg split doses... 25 mg a.m. and 25 six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg split doses... 5 mg a.m. and 5 twelve hours later
3-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
Then a mini PCT:
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
1-8 osta 25 mg dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg split doses... 25 mg a.m. and 25 six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg split doses... 5 mg a.m. and 5 twelve hours later
3-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
Then a mini PCT:
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
you shouldn't be losing it all when you are off like that. gotta run a good pct, have a nice bridge lined up and keep working out hard off the juice if you are gonna keep a good percentage of your gains.. obviously i would be lying if you kept all your strength and mass off cycle.. that would be impossible. 10X normal male hormones on vs. 1X normal off. but that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep a couple net pounds of muscle
cycling off is important not just for the HPTA but also your health. you lipids are gonna be screwy staying on for long periods of time..
cycling off is important not just for the HPTA but also your health. you lipids are gonna be screwy staying on for long periods of time..
midevilironsmasher
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I can't speak from experience but I have a few training partners who have been running test for around 10 years give or take. They are pretty healthy and havnt had any problems. They will probably stay on till they are old and grey. I will say that. They are competing at the top level for powerlifting and I also have made the decision to go down this path. In my opinion if you arnt planning on competing at the highest level of bodybuilding, powerlifting or strongman then what the point. It's also my opinion to either stay off or stay on. I don't see the point in cycling. A lot of people will disagree with that.
Gorilla-Pharma
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I've ran and bridged for about 2 yrs total one compound or another...or a few. Debating coming of for abit, a good PCT and get Bloods done to see.
I'd be interested in your bloods also
How much gains have you had in those 2 years?
Gorilla-Pharma
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Has been solid gains, but i would say you could get more and do it much better then I did. Have been at a real busy turning point in my life.....so not utilized to the fullest. I always bridged with Primo, coast with small dose of test, or bridge Masteron E as I'm about done with now....so I have to decide PCT wait Bloods and then on or I have Test P, Tren A, and Mast Prop to continue on if desired.
C0LUMB0
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am 39 now, have been on for most of this year..am cruising on 250mg of test at the moment...blasting again in January.
HGH at 5iu ed .
wont know if it was worth it or not untill further down the road.
i get bloods done usually every 12 weeks .
hpta is well shutdown, i use a low dose of hcg...cant say if a full recovery is on the cards.
cycle for 10-12 weeks then pct and recovery is the best way to go in the long term, RADAR is living proof. The man is 60 years old and in better shape than most of the guys in their 20's and 30's.
HGH at 5iu ed .
wont know if it was worth it or not untill further down the road.
i get bloods done usually every 12 weeks .
hpta is well shutdown, i use a low dose of hcg...cant say if a full recovery is on the cards.
cycle for 10-12 weeks then pct and recovery is the best way to go in the long term, RADAR is living proof. The man is 60 years old and in better shape than most of the guys in their 20's and 30's.
RADAR is a perfect example of the right way to cycle for sure. He is a role model for anyone wanting to do things the best and safest way to cycle and keep and retain gains while avoiding the blast and cruise route
Gorilla-Pharma
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Abit more on my situation on gains not being what they could be. I wrestled 145 when I graduated High School, then went to a tech school part-time.....were towards end got into MMA I fought 170 just 3yrs ago. I changed my avatar and profile pic to one I toke this morning I'm 205 now. Was as high as 230 but was doing powerlifting just 1yr ago. I'm friends with the CEO of the UPA. So as you can see from my pics why I have disappointments with my run of gear.......
I gotta admit Ive been a lazy fuck this year with the two cycles i did. PCT was ok first time but didnt keep the diet and training where it should be. Second cycle i didnt even use PCT at all lol, kinda just wanted to know if i was one of those guys who even needed to or not, now i know. Still shutdown though after almost two months being off. Sex drive is shit, T level is 340, everything else on bloods seems to be ok though.
Even though its been this long i think im going to hit clomid 50mg for two weeks and see if sex drive improves along with T levels.
Nice little learning experience but im not mad or anything, just takes time. Im finding cycling is a full on commitment while off as well as on. Whoever said taking roids was the easy way out is a complete idiot.
Even though its been this long i think im going to hit clomid 50mg for two weeks and see if sex drive improves along with T levels.
Nice little learning experience but im not mad or anything, just takes time. Im finding cycling is a full on commitment while off as well as on. Whoever said taking roids was the easy way out is a complete idiot.
Gorilla-Pharma
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I think ever lifter I talk to has went through the dreaded rut at one time or another....but that over the yr along with the no PCT, sex drive, and test in the gutter. I can imagine you feel like suicide....LOL DON'T DO IT. I would definitely PCT hard and try getting my levels up if I were you.....Me ill probably just pin though another. 
I love being off cycle, it feels good. don't have to worry about sides, getting gyno, taking a zillion pills and ancillaries. don't have to worry about my liver and pissing orange, about waking up de-hydrated...
i still go to the gym and feel a nice pump when i workout. am i as strong off? of course not. do i get those crazy pumps and veins showing as good off? nope. but i still feel great and enjoy it just as much.
not saying you are like this at all but a lot of guys who stay on have the ego thing going on where they always have to be breaking PR's and they always have to get a 2 inch pump in their bicep every workout. unless you are competing i really don't see the point.. not like people can't gain off cycle with the amazing supplements available. its important NOT to always be breaking PR's, gotta give the body a break from pushing all that weight.. the ligaments and tendons and soft tissues cannot handle that.
Gorilla-Pharma
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Great words of wisdom. I will agree with the ego thing...in all honesty I get caught up in that myself and have had many injuries do to it. I myself will be running a good PCT in another week here and getting Bloods done after 4 weeks to see where I am at.
auslifter90
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honestly thinking about cruising to my next cycle because its cheaper for me to run 1ml of test for a few months to for pct/bridge supplements. i probably wont stay on but financially there is a huge difference
I can vouch from recent experience this year for that. If you dont like going to the gym while "off" then it wont matter if you only go while "on". It just really sucks going to the gym, adjusting all your weights downward off cycle, feeling weak, etc.
Although i got so strong last cycle i nearly tore my tricep tendon doing over head db extensions with a a weight ive never touched before even when i was in my 20's. Had to go to the doc and make sure it wasnt torn, so even on cycle strong as shit there are drawbacks. Gotta strike the right balance between maximizing the cycle and being safe.
Fuck this stuff is hard lol, gotta love it though
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^^^ as i've gotten older i have appreciated more doing lower weight and higher reps.. rather than trying to go heavy for 2 or 3 reps. i do like going heavy don't get me wrong but my body doesn't like it, i've figured out i'm not 18 anymore.
so losing strength doesn't bother me.. i am going for 6-8 reps on compound lifts now and feeling better.
when i did my tren/var cycle end of last year my strength was ridiculous. i was closing in on 400 pounds on the bench press, and my squats were 500+ for 4 reps. but i have a sneaky suspicion that my body took a beating during that because now i have been dealing with neck and back issues all this year. so i've backed way off the heavy shit.. gonna wait till i am 100% before touching tren again.. a buddy of mine at the gym benches 500 pounds and is 50 years old, but the dude is crippled.. i don't want to end up in his shoes. he looks like king tut at the gym with all his wraps and is always taking pain killers
so losing strength doesn't bother me.. i am going for 6-8 reps on compound lifts now and feeling better.
when i did my tren/var cycle end of last year my strength was ridiculous. i was closing in on 400 pounds on the bench press, and my squats were 500+ for 4 reps. but i have a sneaky suspicion that my body took a beating during that because now i have been dealing with neck and back issues all this year. so i've backed way off the heavy shit.. gonna wait till i am 100% before touching tren again.. a buddy of mine at the gym benches 500 pounds and is 50 years old, but the dude is crippled.. i don't want to end up in his shoes. he looks like king tut at the gym with all his wraps and is always taking pain killers
Gorilla-Pharma
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I pitty the fool who don't answer to the Iron king.
Gorilla-Pharma
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Steve...what are your taughts on this. What I am wanting to see is what my Bloods are after I'm done with this mast E. I've been off Test for 10 or 12 weeks I can't recall, running a mild/low dose of Masteron at 200mg Every 4 days. I feel great now, what do you think about the Mast on my test levels as far as suppressing it. Do you think I have a chance of not alot of shut down/recovery?
If you've been on for two years, you're definitely shut down completely bro
Gorilla-Pharma
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Ya, figured that. It's about 2yrs with bridging and some mild compounds between runs. Is what it is now.
masteron will suppress you. any AAS will. some more than others.
you can run bloods and look at your LH and FSH. if they are near 0 then you know you are 'shutdown/suppressed'
then it will be time to blast some hcg/HMG and run a pct to try and get things humming again .. if you were on for 2 years you are gonna want to stretch out a pct for a while.. can't run 4 week pct and expect to get anywhere.
once your LH starts waking up that will trickle over to your test levels slowly. its kinda cool running bloods every couple weeks during this and watching things slowly recover. then all of a sudden you see a huge jump in your LH and total T and then you know your body is finally producing test on its own at a good clip
Gorilla-Pharma
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I realize everything suppresses at different levels. I want to see were I'm at at 4 weeks PCT, will prob take more like 12 weeks. I wanna know how bad my levels are actually. I've heard of many of you guys using online blood results? Am I correct on that?
Cruising on 250mg wk is not cruising. 100-150mg wk is what will keep your test levels high normal which is what you want to stay as healthy as possible. Go 125 mg wk and get bloods done after 2 months and see where its at. Up it 25mg or take it down. Whatever keeps you around 850ng/DL. You don't want to be cruising on more test than you need. Then other shit happens. Your body isn't in normal range. Your RBC count goes and stays high, as does hemocrit ect... Stuff you don't want constantly elevated.
yup and you pretty much feel like shit if you don't cruise at a moderate level which defeats the purpose.
privatemdlabs.com is the one i have been using.
Gorilla-Pharma
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Thanks, think I should test at start of PCT here?
If you are wanting to assess recovery, its probably best to test after PCT. Testing at the start of PCT will just show you that you are shutdown...what you already know.
Testing about 2-3 weeks after PCT is what I would do.
Gorilla-Pharma
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That's what I'm gonna do, so ill post aprox 6 weeks out to see were I'm at.
Im sure you'd feel fine at any cruising dose really. But if you Want to do it as right and safe as possible then you need to be at an actual HRT level. Theres an older guy on here that cruises at 300mg wk or something like that IIRC. Some people do require 200-250mg wk to get high normal levels. But thats pretty rare. So walking around with a constant level of say 1400-1500ng/dl as opposed to a top range normal 850ng/dl or even slightly high at 900ng/dl is going to start slowly compounding problems. Prolonged elevation of all things RBC will start to take its toll on your heart eventually.
I have been cruising for 5 months. It wasnt my origional plan but it happened. Even at 150mg wk my body, i feel, isnt completely shut down. What I mean is it seems to be constantly trying to recover. I say this because my nuts are huge most days and i'm taking no HCG or HCgenerate. On a normal cycle without any support for nut size they would be like raisins. Especially in the morning they are huge.
Just as an example my plan is to do a cutter in the next few weeks for 8 weeks. Then cruise for feb/mar maybe do some sort of 4 week blast of an oral or maybe suspension just to try. Then cruise another 8 weeks and blast a lean bulk june-sept. then cruise another 3 months.then attempt to clean up for a year by running a massive pct. 3 months of unleashed, hcgenerate, natty test booster, multiple pins of HMG, DAA, forma, Peptides,even if I were to recover nicely I will lose some mass.
Theres no comparison between natty test and synthetic. Even if your levels are the same with each you will hold more mass with the synthetic test.
Gorilla-Pharma
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That's why I kind of wanna see my Bloods now. When I cycles your right nuts went down. But I've been of test for 10-12 weeks and runnig aprox 200mg of mast E only. Nuts are very full and all there. I feel great, I'm wondering how shut down I actually am.
Gotta get bloods to know for sure, cant just go by feel
Gorilla-Pharma
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Very true.......I'm just saying my wife dosnt think they feel good smacking of her chin, leaves bruising.
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Hey Admin,Mods, fellow members, I need a big help here. I've reached the point where steroids aren't doing anything for me. That's injectables only. 7 1/2 years total. Even my 500mg. dose E2W is like a drop in the bucket. I'm on TRT now, but I'll continue with my refills and my syringes in the mail, but I won't use them anymore. I need a much needed break. This routine has became a drag.
My job is suffering, my relationships with family and friends have soured; love life is in jeopardy, and I feel so damned depressed even with my last injection for this year. I'm thinking about going with dianabol, Tbol, and a prohormone for the rest of the year and put the syringe in mothballs for at least a year to recover or should I go "cold turkey", wean myself off of it, or try a PCT? Much obliged for your help.
My job is suffering, my relationships with family and friends have soured; love life is in jeopardy, and I feel so damned depressed even with my last injection for this year. I'm thinking about going with dianabol, Tbol, and a prohormone for the rest of the year and put the syringe in mothballs for at least a year to recover or should I go "cold turkey", wean myself off of it, or try a PCT? Much obliged for your help.
First off, please start a new thread for questions like this -- don't bump up an old thread. Secondly, I have no sympathy. Sorry. You abused the drugs and now you're paying the price. So what do you expect anyone to do for you? Clean out, do a PCT, take a break -- after which you may need HRT. Do it ansstay on it. As for the other stuff, don't blames the drugs. Get your shit together. If you need to talk someone, see a shrink. Good luck.
As long as we are on a brief hijack...
I have read posts of this guy going off about how he has been on high year round doses for years and has no ill effects ect...bragging if you will. some smart ass comments to the rest of us who try to advise otherwise ect ect...
And now what? This guy is fucked. At the doses you have abused you will likely have long term health issues to go with it.
500mg is not a cruise. I would love to see your blood work.
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You guys are sure hard asses! Thanks! I'll stay on and begin injecting 20mg/ml. for a year. I have no health issues. Hey, going on 8 years non-stop now. My doctors have no problems with my elevated levels, although my BP is in the 50's and I use metaprolol to get down to 124/64. Yep almost 8 years. Started with SuperTest and Deca, switched to Omnas and Sustanon, then to Test C and E. If I have offended anyone on this forum, apologize. Steroids don't kill people, people kill people.
rustilldown
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Your somewhat of a moron one might say.
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You guys are simply jealous of what I've been doing! LOL Simply admit fellas. My blood work has been fine all this years. I don't believe a shrink could address my situation and as far as long term health issues are concerned, they should have arisen by this time considering the long term usage. A moron? I'll have to look up that word or better yet define it from a dictionary not in your own words please. I did ask this very same question in 2-3 other forums. The #1 was filled with worse remarks from the above blatant posts.
#2 and #3 was dead on the money with good sound advice; not of bunch of this and that. You folks are grown man and should act that way, but I see that your steroid usage has turns you all in to grade schoolers. Watch that you don't poke your eye with that needle. lol OBW, I mean to hijack the thread , it was beyond my control.
#2 and #3 was dead on the money with good sound advice; not of bunch of this and that. You folks are grown man and should act that way, but I see that your steroid usage has turns you all in to grade schoolers. Watch that you don't poke your eye with that needle. lol OBW, I mean to hijack the thread , it was beyond my control.
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