Going BASIC, attempt to keep fat/bloat minimal:

[JKurz1]

Currently 6'2. 194, 10% bf and moving...........need about 30lbs over the next 18 months or so........gimme your thoughts....

500mg test-e 250 2x/week) - 10 weeks
Dbol at 30mg/daily first 4 weeks
prop at 100mg eod wks 1-2 and 9-10
EQ at 400mg wks 4-12..........

430 - 26 MINS LIGHT CARDIO ON ELLIPTICAL
meal 1
3/4 (dry) cup oats
1 scoop whey
1/2 can tuna
green tea

meal 2
1 cup egg whites
3/4 cup steel cut oats dry
250g (1/2 tub) dry curd cottage cheese
1 cup of banana berries, apple, etc mixed in
1/2 cup skim in coffee

meal 3
7 oz land flesh
3/4 cup rice and beans
mixed veggies/large salad

meal 4
250g of dry curd
1 apple
1 myoplex carb sense (1g sugar, 4 net carbs) protein bar
1 cup skim in coffee

POSTWORKOUT
1 METRX MRP (3,40,25)
6 RICE CAKES

meal 6 (9pm)
300G OF DRY CURD
PROB. 40 PEANUTS (4-5 HANDFULLS OF SHELLED NUTS)
32 OZ CASEIN SHAKE (EGG WHITES, SKIM CASEIN POWDER)

(9:15)
CRASH

midnight - if wake up, 1 myoplex carb sense bar


biggest worry is meal 2 is too large and my last meal after training is roughly 10 minutes before bed......detremental?

 

[Makavelli]

Cycle looks good. I see you're sticking with the rice cakes post workout.

 

[bas4lizzife]

why not run the EQ all the way through (1 week shorter than the Test E)

 

[monkey arms]

looks good. Give it a try and keep us posted on your results.

 

[JKurz1]

thanks for the support.......how long after your abs start to fade (FROM THIS DIET, GULP) do you think it takes to ge tthem back? 2-3 weeks of strict carb restricting, 1st meal with oats, all rest = fiberous carbs, efas and protein? I know, i know, I cant worry about that now, but what dfoes make me worried is that I'm still doing cardio daily, so when I cut, geezus, am I going to have to do 2 a days of cardio, or do you belive it 90% diet.?

 

[gjohnson5]

Currently 6'2. 194, 10% bf and moving...........need about 30lbs over the next 18 months or so........gimme your thoughts....

500mg test-e 250 2x/week) - 10 weeks
Dbol at 30mg/daily first 4 weeks
prop at 100mg eod wks 1-2 and 9-10
EQ at 400mg wks 4-12..........

430 - 26 MINS LIGHT CARDIO ON ELLIPTICAL
meal 1
3/4 (dry) cup oats
1 scoop whey
1/2 can tuna
green tea

meal 2
1 cup egg whites
3/4 cup steel cut oats dry
250g (1/2 tub) dry curd cottage cheese
1 cup of banana berries, apple, etc mixed in
1/2 cup skim in coffee

meal 3
7 oz land flesh
3/4 cup rice and beans
mixed veggies/large salad

meal 4
250g of dry curd
1 apple
1 myoplex carb sense (1g sugar, 4 net carbs) protein bar
1 cup skim in coffee

POSTWORKOUT
1 METRX MRP (3,40,25)
6 RICE CAKES

meal 6 (9pm)
300G OF DRY CURD
PROB. 40 PEANUTS (4-5 HANDFULLS OF SHELLED NUTS)
32 OZ CASEIN SHAKE (EGG WHITES, SKIM CASEIN POWDER)

(9:15)
CRASH

midnight - if wake up, 1 myoplex carb sense bar


biggest worry is meal 2 is too large and my last meal after training is roughly 10 minutes before bed......detremental?

Hey,
You were at 5% before you started bulking. I would expect that you are going to gain mostly fat since your bf was so low in the beginning. I would expect this to taper off. I still think you should drop the 430 cardio, and switch it to workout with exertube or some other rubber band type technology. Basically something to promote muscle growth and not catabolism. Sounds like you have a fast metabolism.

Do you use methoxy , HMB , zma , tribulus, or other supps that may help build muscle? Where's tren in your cycle?

I think that if you work on building muscle more , drop the cardio, more protein and more high quality protein , you will build muscle and lose fat. Also note that coffee and green tea are stimulants. For someone such as yourself who has a faster metabolism and is trying to bulk , I would drop all stimulants.

Yes post your workout. I'm sure it 's a walk in the park , but post it up anmyway

 

[Makavelli]

thanks for the support.......how long after your abs start to fade (FROM THIS DIET, GULP) do you think it takes to ge tthem back? 2-3 weeks of strict carb restricting, 1st meal with oats, all rest = fiberous carbs, efas and protein? I know, i know, I cant worry about that now, but what dfoes make me worried is that I'm still doing cardio daily, so when I cut, geezus, am I going to have to do 2 a days of cardio, or do you belive it 90% diet.?

It's all diet bro.

 

[romoranger]

looks pretty good, resembles the diet i am on but in half

6 is a lot. any reason? i only eat 2 after

 

[anticure]

drop the cardio if u want to gain the 30 lbs... you have to pick abs and cardio or bulk then deal with it-my .02

 

[JKurz1]

What do you think of the bars and MRPs by EAS? Only reason I ask is Ihave about 5gs worth s I get them at cost for life......never been a fan of bars, but with 7 cases sitting on my shelves, its hard to waste them....anyone use them on top of meals as added cals with minimum fat gain?

Gus = good suggestions........

6 what rice cakes? they are 8g of carbs each......I need approx. 50g of simple carbs pw...might switch to 3 and a myoplex..........

 

[slat1]

Ha ha... You are going to eat those bars no matter what we say... they are calling your name my friend... LOL.
I would run the EQ the whole way. I noticed that is kicked in last week. That was six weeks in!
Throw those bars up on ebay then use the money you make for some real food.. LOL

 

[Slyder190]

Stop the EQ at week 9 or run the Test E and Prop till week 11 so they all clear at the same time. Make sure to stop the prop 3 days before you begin PCT.

 

[JKurz1]

hahah....thats a good idea bro..........ebay........I just dont think they are really too bad, do u? Honeslty? As a preworkout food instead of cottage cheese and fruit......prob. would be less likely stored, no?

Can you guys come t a consensus? THis is what kills me.....someone says one thing then another then another....please help a brutha out.......k to all!

 

[slat1]

Everyone has different results. We all eat differently, work out differently, and have different genetics. Your not going to get a consensus on here.
*Kudos on the green tea... I love that shit.. drinking some right now!
I would still run the EQ from day 1. It tends to stay active in your system 3 to 5 days longer than test ent though... keep that in mind.

 

[Joe Stenson]

It would be beneficial if you posted the calories in each of those meals; that's more useful than exactly what foods you're eating (and we already know you eat clean anyway so food choices shouldn't be an issue).

30lbs in 18 months doesn't require very quick weight gain, but that still seems like an awfully small amount of food for a "bulk".

 

[JKurz1]

Nutrition Plan

Calories Fat Carbs Protein

Meal 1 - 6:30 AM
1/2 cup rolled oats 175 5 35 8
1 scoop whey 100 1.5 3 20
1/2 can tuna 75 1 0 12

Meal 2 - 9:15 AM
3/4 cup steel cut oats 311 5 54 13
1 cup eggwhites 122 0 3 26
1/2 tub dry curd cc 178 1 4 36
skim milk 50 0.5 5 5
Berries 75 0 25 0
1/2 apple 20 0 7 0
Meal 3 - 12:00PM
Large Salad 75 0 10 1
7oz Chicken 275 6 0 50
3/4 cup rice/beans 205 1 45 1
Mixed Veggies 75 1 25 1
Meal 4 -2:45PM
1/2 cup dry curd cc 178 1 4 36
1/2 scoop casein 75 1 2 15

1/2 cup rolled oats 175 3 30 5
1/2 apple, berries, etc 125 0 35 0
Meal 5 - 6 PM
Metrx shake 250 3 25 45
0 20 0

Meal 6 - 9 PM
5-6 handfulls nuts 350 40 15 15
1/2 tub dry curd cc 178 1 4 36
skim, eggwhites 125 1.5 6 20
casein 110 1.5 4 20
0


Daily Totals ( Total Calories based on label ) 3302 74 361 365

Calories by Nutritional Content 3570 666 1444 1460

% Caloric Intake 0.19 0.40 0.41

 

[Makavelli]

I never recommend bars. Some shakes are good, but the bars are very low calorie and filled with all kinds of shit. Solid food is best.

 

[Joe Stenson]

It's more cals than I thought, actually looks pretty good. If it was me I'd lower the carbs and increase healthy fats, but I know most people don't agree there.

 

[gjohnson5]

What do you think of the bars and MRPs by EAS? Only reason I ask is Ihave about 5gs worth s I get them at cost for life......never been a fan of bars, but with 7 cases sitting on my shelves, its hard to waste them....anyone use them on top of meals as added cals with minimum fat gain?

Gus = good suggestions........

6 what rice cakes? they are 8g of carbs each......I need approx. 50g of simple carbs pw...might switch to 3 and a myoplex..........

Why not mix protein with fruit juice to get the 50g of simple carbs. Yes it's mostly sugar but they have antioxidants and bioflavanoids. Make sure you get 100% fruit juice

r+ala can help as well with the carbs being stored as fat. All carbs get converted to glucose.

 

[JKurz1]

I take rala with EVERY meal except PW..........always have.........could that be my problem???

As for less carbs, you think????? I'm extremely light for my height, cut the carbs?????

 

[gjohnson5]

I take rala with EVERY meal except PW..........always have.........could that be my problem???

As for less carbs, you think????? I'm extremely light for my height, cut the carbs?????

1rala pill = 30grams carbs. I dont use unless I'm eating alot of carbs

 

[Joe Stenson]

As for less carbs, you think????? I'm extremely light for my height, cut the carbs?????

It's not really a matter of me thinking the carbs are too high; it's the fat being too low. Assuming you want to keep calories constant, I'd clearly drop the carbs down before the protein.

Like I said though, that's personal preference. I know most people don't like eating as much fat as I do. I think it has a lot to do with your bodytype. As much as I dislike the use of somatotypes as they are just so general, I feel they are quite applicable in this area. Ectos do better on higher carbs and lower fat, endos on higher fat and lower carb, and mesos somewhere in between...GENERALLY SPEAKING.

 

[Singleton]

I'm a similar build to you. 1" shorter and about 15lbs heavier.

I'd keep some AM exercise. I personally like some core work in the AM cause it stimulates my digestive system.

You can try adding injectible b-12. That helps a lot for me.

I could probably help more but im too tired.

 

[PantherG45]

The diet looks damn good to me bro, I cannot keep myself to that strict of a diet for very long. Only thing I would say would be to run the Eq. from Day 1 like someone else said. Eq. supposedly increases appetite so I have heard, I have no trouble eating/bulking, its the cutting I have trouble with, 30lbs will be a lot for you with the cardio in the am, even in 18 months, so hopefully the Equipoise makes you eat like an equus (horse in latin)

 

[Joe Stenson]

30lbs will be a lot for you with the cardio in the am, even in 18 months

I don't know why people are hung up on the AM cardio. First off, he's only doing 26 minutes (26? why 26? such a strange number) of LOW-intensity cardio...that isn't going to burn very many calories.

Second, even if he WERE burning a lot of calories (say 1000), then he'd just need to eat a bit more to compensate. Cals in = cals out isn't rocket science. I don't know why people are under the impression that cardio severely limits one's ability to bulk. This would be true under one condition only: the individual involved could not eat any additional food due to some circumstance (too full, no more money, etc.)

A guy burning 1000 calories/day doing cardio and eating 5000 calories/day is going to be gaining mass more quickly than a guy simply eating 3500 calories/day. Cardio isn't prohibitive; eating is.

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't know why people are hung up on the AM cardio. First off, he's only doing 26 minutes (26? why 26? such a strange number) of LOW-intensity cardio...that isn't going to burn very many calories.

Second, even if he WERE burning a lot of calories (say 1000), then he'd just need to eat a bit more to compensate. Cals in = cals out isn't rocket science. I don't know why people are under the impression that cardio severely limits one's ability to bulk. This would be true under one condition only: the individual involved could not eat any additional food due to some circumstance (too full, no more money, etc.)

A guy burning 1000 calories/day doing cardio and eating 5000 calories/day is going to be gaining mass more quickly than a guy simply eating 3500 calories/day. Cardio isn't prohibitive; eating is.

But you yourself just said that the 26 minutes of cardio is doing anything. So why do it at all.
I feel that a person with a faster metabolism such as him doing cardio on an empty stomach will tear down muscle as he has no fuel in the tank at that time for doing cardio. I believe the body will metabolise what it feels it needs at the time wheather you stop at 26 minutes or 1hour

Calories don't seems to have much to do with this as it's BEFORE he eats anything

 

[gymratforlife]

I have some kind of psycological problem with bulking and gaining fat lol as soon as I see new fat I have to do cardio or change diet or stop bulking and go into cutting mode lol,it sux but it fucks with my head to put on ANY BF.

 

[Joe Stenson]

But you yourself just said that the 26 minutes of cardio is doing anything. So why do it at all.
I feel that a person with a faster metabolism such as him doing cardio on an empty stomach will tear down muscle as he has no fuel in the tank at that time for doing cardio. I believe the body will metabolise what it feels it needs at the time wheather you stop at 26 minutes or 1hour

That 26 minutes of cardio could be doing a lot of things; it just likely isn't burning very many calories. He'll be in better cardiovascular shape, perhaps be at more peace of mind, get nutrient partitioning effects, etc.

I don't really know what you mean by "the body will metabolise what it feels it needs" to. I assume you're referring to the amount of muscle tissue it breaks down when doing the activity on an empty stomach? Regardless, your claim makes no sense. Obviously the duration of the exercise matters; I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

As for JKurz personally, I don't know much about him. I pop in on this board only erratically, so I don't know the finer details about each of its members. If he does have a fast metabolism then two thoughts spring to mind:

1) You're right, the morning cardio probably is not necessary, and might not even be beneficial overall.

2) Why the heck is an intermediate/advanced lifter, on gear no less, only eating 3500 cals on a BULK if his metabolism is fast? Now I'm baffled. Disregarding size entirely if you're bulking on anything less than 5000 calories, I wouldn't call your metabolism fast, period.

Calories don't seems to have much to do with this as it's BEFORE he eats anything

This is another false statement. The human body does not work in such short timeframes. Calories DO matter because it's daily calorie balance, and perhaps even more accurately weekly calorie balance, that is relevant. To be in a caloric deficit for a few hours does not mean the world is coming to an end. There's no way your body will lose mass that quickly.

 

[JKurz1]

That 26 minutes of cardio could be doing a lot of things; it just likely isn't burning very many calories. He'll be in better cardiovascular shape, perhaps be at more peace of mind, get nutrient partitioning effects, etc.

I don't really know what you mean by "the body will metabolise what it feels it needs" to. I assume you're referring to the amount of muscle tissue it breaks down when doing the activity on an empty stomach? Regardless, your claim makes no sense. Obviously the duration of the exercise matters; I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

As for JKurz personally, I don't know much about him. I pop in on this board only erratically, so I don't know the finer details about each of its members. If he does have a fast metabolism then two thoughts spring to mind:

1) You're right, the morning cardio probably is not necessary, and might not even be beneficial overall.

2) Why the heck is an intermediate/advanced lifter, on gear no less, only eating 3500 cals on a BULK if his metabolism is fast? Now I'm baffled. Disregarding size entirely if you're bulking on anything less than 5000 calories, I wouldn't call your metabolism fast, period.



This is another false statement. The human body does not work in such short timeframes. Calories DO matter because it's daily calorie balance, and perhaps even more accurately weekly calorie balance, that is relevant. To be in a caloric deficit for a few hours does not mean the world is coming to an end. There's no way your body will lose mass that quickly.

Joe - Karma to you pal....you are 100% correct. Very impressed. 26 mins is a 1 minute warmup and 25 mins of just a decent sweet....modified HIIT on the elliptical or treadmill...changing resistance every 30 seconds.....it serves
a huge purpose. #1 I eat about 5 minutes before I crash at night, so it makes me FEEL better doing cardio first thing. I'm also in an office for 10 hours a day, so moving my legs, getting my metabolism roaring before work is greatly benefitial. #3, it allows me to be hungry more, hence eat more cals, #4 I could go on.............but thats all.

You need to udnerstand Gus.........he's heavier (has a few rolls) and has never been one to understand the concept behind being ripped, lean and strong. He's massive and stronger than an ox, but more of the powerlifting physique. Thos guys (which dont get me wrong, are great), have different concepts and would never be caught dead doing cardio. Whether its motivational or laziness, it just wont happen. I'd much rather eat 5K in cals than3,500 anyways.........

What I'm going to do is monitor my bf...........if I need to add cals, i'll get it from fats.....keeping all else the same....adequate?

 

[Joe Stenson]

What I'm going to do is monitor my bf...........if I need to add cals, i'll get it from fats.....keeping all else the same....adequate?

Yup, sounds good to me.

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't really know what you mean by "the body will metabolise what it feels it needs" to. I assume you're referring to the amount of muscle tissue it breaks down when doing the activity on an empty stomach? Regardless, your claim makes no sense. Obviously the duration of the exercise matters; I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

I don't wanna argue this since jkurz1 has alread agreed to your statements. Although your statements make no sense to me I will defend my own.

1. Cortisol levels are highest in the morning time , which means that could be metabolizing muscle even before the cardio. Just because the user feels the 26 minutes is a walk in the park does not mean he paid a price doing it in terms of his muscle mass. I did NOT say however that the user lost 10lb's of muscle doing 26 minutes of cardio , this is silly to suggest or warp my statement into

2. Workout first thing on an empty stomach means that the calories have already been burned during sleep. You should look up what BMR is as... Anyway at this point whey protein feeds amino acids to the body for about 3-4 hours and casein has 6-7 hours time frame. If one goes to sleep at 9:30 and then wakes up at 4:00, this means that the protein he fed himself has been oxidized or absorbed , whichever the body did to the protein. Even if the cardio is light the fuel needed to do the work will have to come from a stored source either muscle or fat

As for doing cardio in the morning...
"A study carried out at Kansas State University (Wilcox, Harford & Wedel Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise, 17:2, 1985), indicates that a kilogram of fat will be oxidized sooner when exercising in the fasted condition in the morning than when doing the same exercise in the afternoon. By measuring respiratory gas exchange, caloric expenditure, and carbohydrate and fatty acid metabolism, these researchers showed that the mass of fat burned during aerobic exercise amounts to 67% of the total energy expenditure achieved when the same exercise is done later in the day or in the fed state."

The point of putting this in here is that your body is in control of metabolism and that what gets metabolized is decided by the body as well. I guess gear is one way to alter that.. But anyway
If at point 1 6'2 185 5% now 6'2 194 and 10% , obviosly all the weight he gained is fat. But probably what has happened is that he has lost muscle and gained even more fat then he thinks. He wiill have to measure that as the above may not be the end of the world , but is probably more expensive then you both think.

As for JKurz personally, I don't know much about him. I pop in on this board only erratically, so I don't know the finer details about each of its members. If he does have a fast metabolism then two thoughts spring to mind:

1) You're right, the morning cardio probably is not necessary, and might not even be beneficial overall.

2) Why the heck is an intermediate/advanced lifter, on gear no less, only eating 3500 cals on a BULK if his metabolism is fast? Now I'm baffled. Disregarding size entirely if you're bulking on anything less than 5000 calories, I wouldn't call your metabolism fast, period.

I don't understand his menality on bulking myself. I dunno if he is on gear or not. I would say that adding alot of fat and losing muscle is not bulking at all.

This is another false statement. The human body does not work in such short timeframes.

Please reread the above findings in the study . Yes the body does work on short and long term time frames.

 

[JKurz1]

You're a funny dude GJ..........I was never 5%...........I was 6% on a tantitianta scale and 6.89% at my leanest with the hydro. test......my abs are still sharp and 10% is a rough guess........point being, I've probably gained 15lbs and roughly 2%bf..........I could walk on stage with a few weeks of prep, bench 315 for a good two at the end of my chest routine, and squat 315 ATF for 12.........I'm somewhat content, and pretty happy walking on the beach........

 

[Joe Stenson]

1. Cortisol levels are highest in the morning time , which means that could be metabolizing muscle even before the cardio. Just because the user feels the 26 minutes is a walk in the park does not mean he paid a price doing it in terms of his muscle mass. I did NOT say however that the user lost 10lb's of muscle doing 26 minutes of cardio , this is silly to suggest or warp my statement into

I'm sorry, but there will be a very minimal breakdown of muscle tissue during 26 minutes of light cardio, in a fasted state or otherwise. The reason muscle tissue is broken down is to supply calories to the body...calories that are being burned during the cardio session (as well as some calories just keeping up your BMR). In other words, the amount of muscle tissue broken down, although it depends on a plethora of factors, is basically directly related to the number of calories burned. As I previously stated, one is not going to burn very many calories doing 26 minutes of light cardio, so it's not much of an issue.

If one goes to sleep at 9:30 and then wakes up at 4:00, this means that the protein he fed himself has been oxidized or absorbed , whichever the body did to the protein. Even if the cardio is light the fuel needed to do the work will have to come from a stored source either muscle or fat

Exactly, hence the point of doing cardio on an empty stomach. Although more catabolic, it's fat-burning properties are also greater. To some people the catabolism is not worth the extra fat loss, to others it is.

As for doing cardio in the morning...
"A study carried out at Kansas State University (Wilcox, Harford & Wedel Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise, 17:2, 1985), indicates that a kilogram of fat will be oxidized sooner when exercising in the fasted condition in the morning than when doing the same exercise in the afternoon. By measuring respiratory gas exchange, caloric expenditure, and carbohydrate and fatty acid metabolism, these researchers showed that the mass of fat burned during aerobic exercise amounts to 67% of the total energy expenditure achieved when the same exercise is done later in the day or in the fed state."

Please reread the above findings in the study . Yes the body does work on short and long term time frames.

Not to be blunt, but I question your interpretation abilities. That study simply says that you burn a higher % of calories from fat doing cardio on an empty stomach than you otherwise would if you had eaten prior to the session. This is a well-known and rather apparent fact; that study does absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims. There is no mention of short vs long time frames anywhere in that study, so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it in that manner.

 

[gjohnson5]

I'm sorry, but there will be a very minimal breakdown of muscle tissue during 26 minutes of light cardio, in a fasted state or otherwise. The reason muscle tissue is broken down is to supply calories to the body...calories that are being burned during the cardio session (as well as some calories just keeping up your BMR). In other words, the amount of muscle tissue broken down, although it depends on a plethora of factors, is basically directly related to the number of calories burned. As I previously stated, one is not going to burn very many calories doing 26 minutes of light cardio, so it's not much of an issue.

No need to restate my arguments again. One cannot burn calories if there are no calories to burn Meaning that if your tank is empty then something will need to be converted into glucose by your liver inorder for calories to be burned. This is one of the points of posting the study that you did not get is that this happens at a higher rate in the morning.

Can't put the cart before the horse , so your argument is silly

Exactly, hence the point of doing cardio on an empty stomach. Although more catabolic, it's fat-burning properties are also greater. To some people the catabolism is not worth the extra fat loss, to others it is

.

In his case there is no fat loss only muscle loss and fat gain

Not to be blunt, but I question your interpretation abilities. That study simply says that you burn a higher % of calories from fat doing cardio on an empty stomach than you otherwise would if you had eaten prior to the session. This is a well-known and rather apparent fact; that study does absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims. There is no mention of short vs long time frames anywhere in that study, so I'm not sure why you are interpreting it in that manner.

It says very bluntly, and I will quote it
"a kilogram of fat will be oxidized sooner when exercising in the fasted condition in the morning than when doing the same exercise in the afternoon."
This is totally a short term thing. This is about the effects of cardio compared in different times of the day. There is nothing long term about the finding in that study. So maybe you should work on your reading skills

 

[gjohnson5]

You're a funny dude GJ..........I was never 5%...........I was 6% on a tantitianta scale and 6.89% at my leanest with the hydro. test......my abs are still sharp and 10% is a rough guess........point being, I've probably gained 15lbs and roughly 2%bf..........I could walk on stage with a few weeks of prep, bench 315 for a good two at the end of my chest routine, and squat 315 ATF for 12.........I'm somewhat content, and pretty happy walking on the beach........

Dude I know your dissappointed by your results and I sympathize...
But on this thread here you specifically say you are 6'2 185 and about 5%
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389910&page=2&pp=20

i was 6'2, 185 and about 5%bf........now I'm 196 (down from 201) as of yesterday am........prob. 9%

In order to fix a problem , the full extent of the problem must be understood.

 

[JKurz1]

I told you on the scale I was 5.5% to be completely honest and exact.......I later found out it was scewed, and the scale is in the trash.....I had it done professionally at the hospital and I was about 2% higher......who cares? Point is I dont compete, just in for the game and love....I'm trying to put on mass, hopefully lean, and cardio will hoefully help this. If not, I'm buring the candle at both ends and WILL LEARN.....it really isnt that big of a deal...Joe is attempting to offer encouragement, as what these boards are for. So, it's over......I'll live in learn......post wasnt really about cardio, it was about diet and potential gear.......let's just leave it at that. We've had our difference, made amends, and I dont want to tarnish that with a dumb post......I promise you, one way or another......I will meet my all-time goal of 230 and sub 9%. May it take 3,4,5,10 years, THAT is what will keep me in this game!

Train hard bro..........








ps. and get on the treadmill! lol...........

 

[gjohnson5]

I told you on the scale I was 5.5% to be completely honest and exact.......I later found out it was scewed, and the scale is in the trash.....I had it done professionally at the hospital and I was about 2% higher......who cares? Point is I dont compete, just in for the game and love....I'm trying to put on mass, hopefully lean, and cardio will hoefully help this. If not, I'm buring the candle at both ends and WILL LEARN.....it really isnt that big of a deal...Joe is attempting to offer encouragement, as what these boards are for. So, it's over......I'll live in learn......post wasnt really about cardio, it was about diet and potential gear.......let's just leave it at that. We've had our difference, made amends, and I dont want to tarnish that with a dumb post......I promise you, one way or another......I will meet my all-time goal of 230 and sub 9%. May it take 3,4,5,10 years, THAT is what will keep me in this game!

Train hard bro..........








ps. and get on the treadmill! lol...........

I'll give joe karma for hangin in there. In the end, the emporer gets the 1,2,3. That's what's supposed to happen , just to talk some shit
As far as training hard , I'll be more then happy to come to Columbus if you think I'm one of these bally's fitness some bitches.

Anyway , Peace

 

[Joe Stenson]

No need to restate my arguments again. One cannot burn calories if there are no calories to burn Meaning that if your tank is empty then something will need to be converted into glucose by your liver inorder for calories to be burned. This is one of the points of posting the study that you did not get is that this happens at a higher rate in the morning.

All you're saying in a terribly roundabout way is that morning cardio is more catabolic than when done at other times of the day. I've already acknowledged that is true and that's NOT what the study is about.

It says very bluntly, and I will quote it
"a kilogram of fat will be oxidized sooner when exercising in the fasted condition in the morning than when doing the same exercise in the afternoon."

This is saying that of the calories you are burning during a morning cardio session, a higher % of them come from fat stores than if you were to do it later in the day (because less are coming from carbs).