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[markimacm]

***Re-Post** Never got solid advise from previous...

Hey! Coming on 16 weeks or approx 4 months of being OFF cycle. During off cycle I have done my usual PCT (HCG/Unleashed/PostCycle/ then even did Phytoserms-347 (still on haven't finished 30 day supply bottle just yet). Anyway my stats are:

33 y.o. (been on and off gear since 29)

6 ft. 1"

231 pounds (genes and genetics have me as a very BULKY type of body type my whole life so I'm not thin or fitness model status). I would love to be 220 (off cycle) but dieting, exercising etc. just does not allow my body to lose body fat. I'm not obese but not a thin fitness model. More like a bull dog type.

I want to go on another cycle this time to gain lots of strength, not gain body bloat (because I'm already a large guy) and possibly slim down somehow. Would love more definition than bloat. Please help outline a proper cycle and cycle duration. Your help is appreciated.

Would a 16 week EQ/Prop be a good idea? with AI?

 

[dvoted]

***Re-Post** Never got solid advise from previous...

Hey! Coming on 16 weeks or approx 4 months of being OFF cycle. During off cycle I have done my usual PCT (HCG/Unleashed/PostCycle/ then even did Phytoserms-347 (still on haven't finished 30 day supply bottle just yet). Anyway my stats are:

33 y.o. (been on and off gear since 29)

6 ft. 1"

231 pounds (genes and genetics have me as a very BULKY type of body type my whole life so I'm not thin or fitness model status). I would love to be 220 (off cycle) but dieting, exercising etc. just does not allow my body to lose body fat. I'm not obese but not a thin fitness model. More like a bull dog type.

I want to go on another cycle this time to gain lots of strength, not gain body bloat (because I'm already a large guy) and possibly slim down somehow. Would love more definition than bloat. Please help outline a proper cycle and cycle duration. Your help is appreciated.

Would a 16 week EQ/Prop be a good idea? with AI?

How many cycles have u done ? If uv done more than 4 I suggest
Test prop 125 eod wk 1 ~ 12
Tren A 100 eod wk 1 ~ 8

Make sure to run an AI for estrogen from test and
Caber for prolactin levels from tren
Run hcgenerate or hcg throughout.

Pct 3 days after last test p shot
clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/post cycle
DAA
Forma stane

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[markimacm]

have done many cycles over the years! tren and prop? never tried that! you sure that would be best for my goal? One thing being big boned and big body type i do not want to bloat and swell up. would love to trim down but also gain definition and strength.

Why are there so many different time durations on cycle? some say 8 weeks, some say 12, 16, 18?!?! what is the difference and why 4 different durations?

 

[dvoted]

have done many cycles over the years! tren and prop? never tried that! you sure that would be best for my goal? One thing being big boned and big body type i do not want to bloat and swell up. would love to trim down but also gain definition and strength.

Why are there so many different time durations on cycle? some say 8 weeks, some say 12, 16, 18?!?! what is the difference and why 4 different durations?

Tren is great for cutting and it will not giv yu bloat, prop wont aswell just take an AI to reduce. The tren is a strong anabolic and will cut u up nicely, the.gains will b nice and dry.

People say 8 weeks of tren because it is harsh on the body so u wouldnt want to run more than that, duration depends on the esters if the.Anabolic has long esters u run it longer than short esters as it takes longa to get results from.

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[markimacm]

so you don't think eq/prop is good cycle and less harsh?

 

[dvoted]

Its good but u need to run eq for atleast 14 weeks
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[joeblow12345]

Bro prop, tren and mast is the way to go. That's one of the best strength and definition cycles there is. As far as cycle duration goes its personal preference. I run tren no less then 12 weeks. I myself wouldn't bother with a 8 week cycle because I don't feel that's enough time to add quality gains. I've never been a believer in short cycles. Building strength and muscle takes time, so my cycles reflect that. So here is what I'd do.

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 var 80-100 mg day
1-14 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius Ed or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed

14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Pc/ unleashed and daa or forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

Keep caber on hand but you shouldn't need it. I myself have given it up since I realized as long as test is low its not necessary for me. I'm 6 weeks in on a tren cycle and my libido is sky high and haven't used caber once. Now if you choose to run test higher then tren, you will want to use that caber and the sides are gonna be far worse.

 

[Fishak]

What is your body fat % ?

 

[Essie]

Bro prop, tren and mast is the way to go. That's one of the best strength and definition cycles there is. As far as cycle duration goes its personal preference. I run tren no less then 12 weeks. I myself wouldn't bother with a 8 week cycle because I don't feel that's enough time to add quality gains. I've never been a believer in short cycles. Building strength and muscle takes time, so my cycles reflect that. So here is what I'd do.

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 var 80-100 mg day
1-14 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius Ed or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed

14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Pc/ unleashed and daa or forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

Keep caber on hand but you shouldn't need it. I myself have given it up since I realized as long as test is low its not necessary for me. I'm 6 weeks in on a tren cycle and my libido is sky high and haven't used caber once. Now if you choose to run test higher then tren, you will want to use that caber and the sides are gonna be far worse.

^^^^^ This ... this is good advice. If your diet is spot on (whot diet have you planned for your cycle?), you train right and sleep enough, you will reap the sweet fruits of this cycle.

 

[markimacm]

i def sleep at well approx 8 hours a night...Body Fat % not sure I'm 231 6ft1" (the only fat I have on my body as the rest is lean is on my stomach, I have a belly) i am currently doing cardio 4-5 days a week 1 hour a day burning 600 calories per cardio workout in the morning and weightlifting in the evenings about 3-4 nights a week. Should I wait about 1 more month to go on cycle to complete my cardio fat burning to try and drop some weight or can i continue my AM cardio and PM weights while on cycle? My diet is 90% spot on.
MORNING INTAKE (usually rotate)
Protien shake (whey to build) before cardio
after cardio I have a whole wheat english muffin/margerine, a little fruit or greek flav. yogurt, or cottage cheese, 3 egg whites 1 whole egg, chicken

LUNCH INTAKE
Steak strips with salad and sweet potatoe or Grill chckn with sprouts and sweet potatoe

SNACK
protein shake

DINNER INTAKE
similar to earlier parts of days intake

With diet above said should I continue cardio before cycle or cardio while on cycle (burning 600 calories every AM on eliptical 1 hour duration).

 

[markimacm]

???

 

[joeblow12345]

???

Way too many carbs to be cutting bro. Look into carb cycling.

 

[Essie]

Your diet is good for maintaining or light bulking ... but unfortunately not as much for dropping down. This thread here: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/diet-bodybuilding/dieting-information-614057.html has all the information around dieting that you could ever need ... I suggest you spend a lot of time on this part of the site ... you'll learn like CRAZY and understand a lot of things a lot better.

 

[superturkey]

Bro prop, tren and mast is the way to go. That's one of the best strength and definition cycles there is. As far as cycle duration goes its personal preference. I run tren no less then 12 weeks. I myself wouldn't bother with a 8 week cycle because I don't feel that's enough time to add quality gains. I've never been a believer in short cycles. Building strength and muscle takes time, so my cycles reflect that. So here is what I'd do.

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 var 80-100 mg day
1-14 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius Ed or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed

14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Pc/ unleashed and daa or forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

Keep caber on hand but you shouldn't need it. I myself have given it up since I realized as long as test is low its not necessary for me. I'm 6 weeks in on a tren cycle and my libido is sky high and haven't used caber once. Now if you choose to run test higher then tren, you will want to use that caber and the sides are gonna be far worse.

I also agree with the above cycle, although Masteron is best used at <10% BF.
So it may be a good idea to keep dropping BF pre-cycle.
With proper training and diet you will achieve your goals.
As for cycle length most recommend tren a for 8wks but joeblow makes a good point.

 

[markimacm]

so I am still not clear on what to do....I need to get on a cycle despite my current condition. I am and always was a BULKY guy despite dieting and exercise. Some ppl are naturally big boned and big bodied, it's easier said than done for a fitnet model body type to lose it all but for 30 + years it never worked.

I am in need of advise as to what is a GOOD cycle for me roughly 12-18 weeks long that will not SWELL/BLOAT me UP yet get me lots of strength and possibly even tone down my body fat! Please advise. Diet is in PLACE.

Would an EQ/PROP be correct? Something else?

 

[joeblow12345]

so I am still not clear on what to do....I need to get on a cycle despite my current condition. I am and always was a BULKY guy despite dieting and exercise. Some ppl are naturally big boned and big bodied, it's easier said than done for a fitnet model body type to lose it all but for 30 + years it never worked.

I am in need of advise as to what is a GOOD cycle for me roughly 12-18 weeks long that will not SWELL/BLOAT me UP yet get me lots of strength and possibly even tone down my body fat! Please advise. Diet is in PLACE.

Would an EQ/PROP be correct? Something else?

Seriously bro? I laid out the best possible cycle for your goals. Eq, prop and what ever else you said isn't shit compared to test. It's a fucking Joke compared to trens ability. And that big boned shit flies as well as skinny guys claiming "hard gainer" with me. It's just an excuse for not putting forth the necessary effort to achieve your goals. If you want something bad enough then you will do whatever it takes to make it happen.

 

[Idobehigh]

Bro prop, tren and mast is the way to go. That's one of the best strength and definition cycles there is. As far as cycle duration goes its personal preference. I run tren no less then 12 weeks. I myself wouldn't bother with a 8 week cycle because I don't feel that's enough time to add quality gains. I've never been a believer in short cycles. Building strength and muscle takes time, so my cycles reflect that. So here is what I'd do.

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 var 80-100 mg day
1-14 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius Ed or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed

14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Pc/ unleashed and daa or forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

Keep caber on hand but you shouldn't need it. I myself have given it up since I realized as long as test is low its not necessary for me. I'm 6 weeks in on a tren cycle and my libido is sky high and haven't used caber once. Now if you choose to run test higher then tren, you will want to use that caber and the sides are gonna be far worse.

This he knows what he is talking about, everyone has agreed and I also agree fuck that big bone shit View attachment 105063

 

[markimacm]

My thing is masteron is amazing gear but from what i understand it is horrible (worst than deca) for your D...thoughts??but you guys def are right about the layout!and i give you credit not denying the fact you did make up a good program!

 

[superturkey]

so I am still not clear on what to do....I need to get on a cycle despite my current condition. I am and always was a BULKY guy despite dieting and exercise. Some ppl are naturally big boned and big bodied, it's easier said than done for a fitnet model body type to lose it all but for 30 + years it never worked.

I am in need of advise as to what is a GOOD cycle for me roughly 12-18 weeks long that will not SWELL/BLOAT me UP yet get me lots of strength and possibly even tone down my body fat! Please advise. Diet is in PLACE.

Would an EQ/PROP be correct? Something else?

Sounds like you really wanna go the EQ/PROP route.
And trying to find reasons why not too.
The main reason to use a TREN cycle is it fits your goals perfectly.
Masteron would be great but not a necessity.
I recommend a CKD type diet. Youll lose your fat and maintain your muscle mass.
First time i tried it i got ripped and stronger.

 

[markimacm]

Sounds like you really wanna go the EQ/PROP route.
And trying to find reasons why not too.
The main reason to use a TREN cycle is it fits your goals perfectly.
Masteron would be great but not a necessity.
I recommend a CKD type diet. Youll lose your fat and maintain your muscle mass.
First time i tried it i got ripped and stronger.

No Im open to ideas, but why i stressed the eq/prop is cause i have done it in past and liked it. this time around I will go with the recomendation of:

TREN/EQ/PROP just tryng to figure out if MASTERON should play into this as I heard great things about it but bad things when you come off.

 

[superturkey]

Okay you may want to do your research on that combo because tren has such a strong bond to the androgen receptor it may reduce the effects of the EQ as they may compete, making its use pointless. And that much gear isnt necessary.

 

[Essie]

In all honesty ... just stick to what Joe laid out for you. For what your goals are that is a suitable cycle.

 

[notjake11]

If you're going to do EQ, TestE makes far more sense than Prop. EQ is a long slow building ester that most recommend using for 16 weeks to get optimum effect and it should be injected twice a week. TestE is similar to that in terms of how long it can/should be run, when it starts to shine and how often it needs to be pinned. Prop should be shot every other day and doing that for 16 weeks is going to be rough.

 

[markimacm]

i agree with your posts...I will def take @joeblow12345 advise and try out the laid out cycle with results posted (looking forward)...Just trying to organize it a bit better..Below is what I will be doing...

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 anavar 80-100 mg day
1-14 N2Guard
6-10 HCGenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius ED or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed or Aromasin (is there a difference between the two?)


14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw (is this necessary or can go without and if so advantage or disadvantage?)

PCT 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
PostCycle/Unleashed and forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

 

[superturkey]

i agree with your posts...I will def take @joeblow12345 advise and try out the laid out cycle with results posted (looking forward)...Just trying to organize it a bit better..Below is what I will be doing...

1-12 test prop 75 mg eod
1-12 tren ace 100-125 mg eod
1-12 mast 125 mg eod
6-14 anavar 80-100 mg day
1-14 N2Guard
6-10 HCGenerate
10-14 hcg 500 ius ED or eod
1-14 adex 0.25-0.5 mg e3d or as needed or Aromasin (is there a difference between the two?)


14-22 igf lr3 50-100 mcg pw (is this necessary or can go without and if so advantage or disadvantage?)

PCT 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
PostCycle/Unleashed and forged methyl
Forma

18-22 bridge and dspark

Yes adex is different to aromasin.
Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD is your best option here.

Igf is an optional extra.
Disadvantage= expensive. Advantage=maintain/increase mass through PCT

 

[markimacm]

i got it all now.. Cant wait to go on! good looks to all!

 

[notjake11]

Extend the n2guard two more weeks to give your body some extra support. You habe stopped the compounds by then but they are still in your system straining your liver and lipids.

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[markimacm]

Extend the n2guard two more weeks to give your body some extra support. You habe stopped the compounds by then but they are still in your system straining your liver and lipids.

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will do thanks @notjake11

 

[joeblow12345]

will do thanks @notjake11

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[markimacm]

Clear your inbox.

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