God's will.

[velvett]

If a man fires a bullet, strangles or suffocates another and as consequence the other dies - is it still God's will?


And which is God's will?

Letting one man die or making another capable of murdering another man?

Both?


Where does one draw the line of responsibility?
































TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES...

 

[revexrevex]

If I can't deadlift 525 lbs, is it my fault? God's fault? Maybe the weight is too heavy? Need some form work? Both?

 

[2Thick]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

 

[-SD-]

If you are a believer that God knows what you are going to do even before you are born then you have to believe that both are Gods will, since He knew and therefore allowed it all to happen.

 

[revexrevex]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

brilliant quote

 

[velvett]

If you are a believer that God knows what you are going to do even before you are born then you have to believe that both are Gods will, since He knew and therefore allowed it all to happen.

Fair enough.


Then how could one succesfuly, give, offer or teach hope to someone that feels that he or she has failed?

How does one give the sight of belief and shhow the offering of hope to someone that believes that their failures or lack of successes are God's will?

 

[I.B. Orpheus]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

nobody wants to hear about your life, you poor orphan.

 

[DBCooper]

This will turn nasty, but of course I'll throw my 2cents in, In The Bible it states God helps those who help themselves-so maybe since the vivtims couldn't help themselves God turned away. Then there is always 'Everything is in His design' theory. No good without evil etc..Does anyone else think it's been long enough since the last time anyone saw the Big Man? I'm sure someone can sue over child neglect lol

 

[velvett]

nobody wants to hear about your life, you poor orphan.

You didn't understand what 2Thick said - because if you did that would not be your response.

 

[velvett]

This will turn nasty, but of course I'll throw my 2cents in, In The Bible it states God helps those who help themselves-so maybe since the vivtims couldn't help themselves God turned away. Then there is always 'Everything is in His design' theory. No good without evil etc..

hmmmm interesting

 

[I.B. Orpheus]

You didn't understand what 2Thick said - because if you did that would not be your response.

since when did this board become serious?

 

[from zero]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

Whoa. You just blew my mind. Nicely done.

 

[velvett]

He gives you the tools, but you must use them.

HE?




































j/k.































well, maybe

 

[DBCooper]

I get into these arguements all the time with my friends, I'm sure somebody is above us-just not what we probably think. Sort of like the old tell one person a word and let it go around a circle and at the end it's completely different concept. One religion states not to hurt any other living creature, one to live in hell and poverty, one to spread the word and treat others kindly. Yet all have been twisted to be used in war and evil. Who are we to decide what some super being meant when he/it/they stopped by, hell for all we know we're here by accident.

 

[gonelifting]

He gives you the tools, but you must use them.

 

[revexrevex]

2thick, I have to applaud you. That was one of the best quotes I ever heard. The rest of the posts here is like mumble jumble for me. God was created as an imaginary paradigm for worshippers to turn to. Since a person cannot turn to other people for help, cannot turn to himself/herself for help, then the next logical choice is to call upon an external influence, even though no one has any proof that it ever existed.

 

[velvett]

I get into these arguements all the time with my friends, I'm sure somebody is above us-just not what we probably think. Sort of like the old tell one person a word and let it go around a circle and at the end it's completely different concept. One religion states not to hurt any other living creature, one to live in hell and poverty, one to spread the word and treat others kindly. Yet all have been twisted to be used in war and evil. Who are we to decide what some super being meant when he/it/they stopped by, hell for all we know we're here by accident.

I was just curious as to what others think - I doubt anyone person can be completely right or completely wrong.

 

[jackangel]

He gives you the tools, but you must use them.

Ain't that the truth. Look at all the tools on this board.

 

[-SD-]

Fair enough.


Then how could one succesfuly, give, offer or teach hope to someone that feels that he or she has failed?

How does one give the sight of belief and shhow the offering of hope to someone that believes that their failures or lack of successes are God's will?

Of course, what I didnt mention is the other side of the coin where people belive that God gave man free will. This would mean that each man can shape his destiny out of his own accord. This means hope and can be given to someone who is a failure since it is their own will that can change their life for the better, or not.

It all boils down to what you believe in, ultimately.

 

[jerkbox]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

nah, that's the church's will

 

[revexrevex]

LOLLLLLL jerkbox that was even more brilliant

 

[sk*]

I wish I could magnify this:



-sk

 

[big_bad_buff]

I have come to realize that people posting religion/god threads are really not wanting answers. Every single post concerning religions/god are simply mocking and putting them down. Therefore it is pointless to respond to them. if you're looking for answers, research them for yourself

 

[velvett]

I have come to realize that people posting religion/god threads are really not wanting answers. Every single post concerning religions/god are simply mocking and putting them down. Therefore it is pointless to respond to them. if your looking answers, research them for yourself

Um, in this case - my thread - I believe you to be wrong.
































This where I could go on a fealess rant that guns don't kill people but that people kill people and the whole God's will theory could be twisted to support that claim - but I will refrain from such torture.

 

[Lao Tzu]

there is no god, and evolution has made murder a necessary aspect of life. Its sort of a cheap paradox but its true. in order for one organism to live others must die.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Um, in this case - my thread - I believe you to be wrong.
I

well....Look around, this thread is a breeding ground for Atheists and Satan worshippers. Religion threads Attract them like a bug to light. Well I guess for the most part all the religious threads are posted by non-believers in the first place.

 

[AAP]

I have come to realize that people posting religion/god threads are really not wanting answers. Every single post concerning religions/god are simply mocking and putting them down. Therefore it is pointless to respond to them. if your looking answers, research them for yourself

If you only knew the behind scenes aspects of religion that I have been introduced to.......

If you study religion, you will that most religion is NOT about finding answers, but rather making excuses.... You can't do this because... you can't do that because... They all preach about what you can't do. Why not preach about things you CAN do? Do you realize that every single thing you do each day is a result of a sinner? It is because someone went outside the teaching of the church and the bible and brought you this. The country you wake up in is a result of someone casting away the church and striking out on their own. They had another church, but big deal.. it made provisions to allow them to do more and harness the life God gave them. Electricity, music, cars, everything is a result of "sinning" and doing things against the Bible. Hell, even if a cure for cancer was discovered, it would be a sin to save people because it would be "against God's will".

I have been exposed to every religion except Buddha in a way that I could stand back and watch the proceedings with an open mind and cautious eye. 99% of these people that flock to church and sing their little hymns are people that use the "church" as a mental crutch.

 

[the nature boy]

In The Bible it states God helps those who help themselves-so maybe since the vivtims couldn't help themselves God turned away.

well didn't jesus heal lepers? certainly those people couldn't help themselves right?

 

[I.B. Orpheus]

well....Look around, this thread is a breeding ground for Atheists and Satan worshippers. Religion threads Attract them like a bug to light. Well I guess for the most part all the religious threads are posted by non-believers in the first place.

Jesus loves you brother.

 

[biteme]

Impossible to know the answer to that question. And will you stop scrolling to the bottom of the screen?

 

[big_bad_buff]

I agree, most of the stuff being taught by preachers now days is vile. Most churches now days are Plastic. Benny cock suckin Henn is a good example of a false prophet so to speak. But there are a “few” good honest pastors/churches who teach from the bible who have studied it for years and years, and are not in it for fame, glory and money, or who live double lives screwing animals after hours. Honesty I rarely attend services, I would rather study and learn on my own. I believe it is true because I have studied everything there is out their, from evolution to Buddhism to believing in nothing at all, and true Christianity and the bible is the only thing that makes since of eveything. But I see what you’re saying. We’re the result of the big bite out of the apple. Everyone is born a sinner etc etc.

If you only knew the behind scenes aspects of religion that I have been introduced to.......

If you study religion, you will that most religion is NOT about finding answers, but rather making excuses.... You can't do this because... you can't do that because... They all preach about what you can't do. Why not preach about things you CAN do? Do you realize that every single thing you do each day is a result of a sinner? It is because someone went outside the teaching of the church and the bible and brought you this. The country you wake up in is a result of someone casting away the church and striking out on their own. They had another church, but big deal.. it made provisions to allow them to do more and harness the life God gave them. Electricity, music, cars, everything is a result of "sinning" and doing things against the Bible. Hell, even if a cure for cancer was discovered, it would be a sin to save people because it would be "against God's will".

I have been exposed to every religion except Buddha in a way that I could stand back and watch the proceedings with an open mind and cautious eye. 99% of these people that flock to church and sing their little hymns are people that use the "church" as a mental crutch.

 

[WODIN]

I thought God did the whole washing his hands of this mess thing after Noah talked him out of destroying the earth. At least that's the dogmatic take on things. Rather quipish of me I know.

But I firmly believe that God does give us free will that is his will that we go out and live our lives on our own. Make our own mistakes, make our own right or wrong choices. Much like we do with our own children. God raised up man not to be a toy on some chess board but a companion.

That's my 2cents.

 

[IronLion]

information. data. think about it. Everything in the universe is made up of data down to the minutia of every cell and atom and quark and superstring. The information storage capacity of any given mass is governed by area. When I speak of storage capacity and information I am really talking about entropy. Absolut limits on information are governed by a pure thermodynamic definition of entropy, the degree of disorder of a system, and are the largest in magnitude.

Why is this relevant? The amount of information stored on the entire internet is nothing compared to the amount of information in a cup of coffee. The human being is incapable of "seeing" any of these bits of data because he himself is of the same data. The perceptions of this world around us are not true, they are just the way that our brains interpret the data.

The truth is that some force drives the entropy. What we call chaos is actually just an infinite amount of data. We say there is free will, but do we just feel that just because we rationally evaluate the perceptions that we are able to derive. That may be a form of free will but it is encased within the framework of human possibility. The fact is that no matter the choices we make we cannot chose anything but eventual death and decay. Beyond that we cannot chose the way the information that we are engulfed in chooses to manifest itself, instead we live a reactionary exsitance. We simply interpret and modify based on what we are presented with. This is our will as humans. This is the difference between our will and the will of "God". There is no reason to think that the motives and thoughts that drive us are more than, at the most basic level, bits of information interconnected and governed by God's will.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

chaos theory at its finest.

 

[velvett]

This is like a morning after thread.

 

[revexrevex]

CLOSET NERD, BUSTED! WELCOME TO THE NERD CLUB, GOOD POST BROLY

information. data. think about it. Everything in the universe is made up of data down to the minutia of every cell and atom and quark and superstring. The information storage capacity of any given mass is governed by area. When I speak of storage capacity and information I am really talking about entropy. Absolut limits on information are governed by a pure thermodynamic definition of entropy, the degree of disorder of a system, and are the largest in magnitude.

Why is this relevant? The amount of information stored on the entire internet is nothing compared to the amount of information in a cup of coffee. The human being is incapable of "seeing" any of these bits of data because he himself is of the same data. The perceptions of this world around us are not true, they are just the way that our brains interpret the data.

The truth is that some force drives the entropy. What we call chaos is actually just an infinite amount of data. We say there is free will, but do we just feel that just because we rationally evaluate the perceptions that we are able to derive. That may be a form of free will but it is encased within the framework of human possibility. The fact is that no matter the choices we make we cannot chose anything but eventual death and decay. Beyond that we cannot chose the way the information that we are engulfed in chooses to manifest itself, instead we live a reactionary exsitance. We simply interpret and modify based on what we are presented with. This is our will as humans. This is the difference between our will and the will of "God". There is no reason to think that the motives and thoughts that drive us are more than, at the most basic level, bits of information interconnected and governed by God's will.

 

[Monkey Pox]

Ain't that the truth. Look at all the tools on this board.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[big4life]

I believe that there is a higher power, but I don't think that he/she decides who dies, lives, suffers, or prospers, etc.. What their purpose is in our lives is unknown. Maybe he/she acts as a guiding light for us when we need it?

 

[gotmilk]

If you study religion, you will that most religion is NOT about finding answers, but rather making excuses....

The country you wake up in is a result of someone casting away the church and striking out on their own.

BINGO! We have a winner. Ironically, religions developed as people broke away to form their own practices over time.

Ever hear people claim that Christianity is the only religion?

If Christianity is the ONLY religion, why does the bible contain phrases that were copied from the code of Hammurabi? Hammurabi lived from 1792 BC to 1750 BC and basically made the first rules to live by. Greek culture was pretty much created when Herodotus lived in Babylon for years and brought back a book of codes for Greek society.

Yet...the greeks and the Christians had different gods at the time.

Hammurabi created eye for an eye, life for a life centuries before Moses was even alive. Go figure.

When Hammurabi died, Babylon was overtaken and people left for Asyria....and created what eventually became Muslim law and the story of Allah.

Religion can be traced like one giant family tree and in the end...they share the same foundations from the same people who at one time lived in the same areas.

 

[kronk]

God's will (if God existed) would be to force man to fight every natural urge and live a lonely existence in poverty.

Well said.

My 2cents, I believe that it is Gods will that Velvett join me for dinner and drinks

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

well attempting to understand everything about God, if you take God to be both omnicient and omnipitent (sp) is futile. But the concept of free will and Gods' will is one of the most heavily debated topics in the church today.