GM and DL : danger !

[anthrax]

I was talking with a PT (I know, I know) who knows what he's doing and he said that despite the many benefits of both exercices the risks of injuries were high enough to avoid them

And in theory I agree that you can get badly injured

But in practise have you ever seen someone (or experienced yourselves) being injured due to GM or DLs ?

 

[eat big]

I was talking with a PT (I know, I know) who knows what he's doing and he said that despite the many benefits of both exercices the risks of injuries were high enough to avoid them

And in theory I agree that you can get badly injured

But in practise have you ever seen someone (or experienced yourselves) being injured due to GM or DLs ?

Wasn't Beast injured doing deadlifts? I know people have been injured during GM's.

 

[bignate73]

i've known people who were injured by doing them incorrectly. just like the bench press, bicep curl, leg extension and situps....

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i've known people who were injured by doing them incorrectly. just like the bench press, bicep curl, leg extension and situps....

exactly..

i tweaked my back doing sped pulls with a 60% max weight..why? my form was completely off and as soon as i realized i was going to be ok and it wasnt serious i knew right away my form was bad..

never scarifice form for weight..

they way 99% of the poeple bench in the gym its amazing there arent more injuries..but everyone knows benching half way is the best way to build your chest right? lol

 

[super_rice]

I was talking with a PT (I know, I know) who knows what he's doing and he said that despite the many benefits of both exercices the risks of injuries were high enough to avoid them

And in theory I agree that you can get badly injured

But in practise have you ever seen someone (or experienced yourselves) being injured due to GM or DLs ?

don't forget, you must always do partials, especially when you have shoulder problems! always always bench with the bar close to your neck to insure better pectoral stimulation! never ever go below parallel when squatting. in fact, avoid parallel altogether! knee extentions are far superior.

 

[LeanMeanHockeyMachine]

Obviously you could seriously hurt yourself on DLs or GMs if

A) You have terrible form
B) You have too much weight on the bar
C) You haven't warmed up properly

 

[TheOak84]

in theory you can get terribly injured driving a car.

do what you gotta do.

 

[H_T_]

i will never not do them. i will do them until i am a crippled little old man.

 

[supreme]

Everything in life has risks; ask this PT what he does to train his core??? Does he understand the principles of TVA actviation, charging the thoracic & abdominal cavities to create a decompression of L4/L5 during heavy lifts?? Does he check pelvic alignment of people before they do these lifts?? (increased lordosis / kyphosis increases shearing of the vertebral column)

Does he use or reccomend a belt (god I hope not!) if does then he should not be treating people!


Deads & GM's are primal lifting movements that must be trained full R.O.M to properly train the posterior kinetic chain; if you don't do them how are you going to pick up your socks off the floor???

What does he base his reasoning on?? They are more dangerous for high risk populations and for idiots who choose weight over form but most peer reviewed research is on symptomatic individuals NOT healthy weight-training athletes who have been properly taught.

Contrary to earlier posts the squat should ALWAYS BE BELOW PARALLEL and leg extensions are an almost useless open chain exercise that causes extreme shear on the ligaments of the knee.

To squat above parallel fosters muscle imbalance between quads & hams, underdevelops the glutes, leads to faulty motor programs, and is one of the first signs in the gym of someone who does NOT know an F'in thing about training.

The human body is anatomically built to squat!!! How do you think we took a shit before the invention of the toilet???

S

 

[H_T_]

ps. i hate those fucking swiss balls.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Those swiss balls are hilarious.

You wanna hear something funny?

At the gym I was a "personal trainer" at for 1 month before I got fired for not selling enough PT at and actually training the clients with real basic, result producing exercises, one of the PT's pulled me aside to show me the greatest core exercise.

Here it comes.

Kneeling on the ball 10lbs dumbell presses. That's right. The greatest ab exercise ever, guaranteed to get the TVA seriously working! Looked more like a kung-fu balancing exercise than a msucle building exercise lol. I didn't try it because it just looked too dumb lmao.

I'd love to see him do a set of full squats with bodyweight or more. That'd give his abs a real workout lol.

 

[supreme]

Don't hate the SWIS ball it has its place in every routine - they have them at Westside for accessory movements. The problem is NOT the ball, it is the idiots who don't know how and when to use them as a tool to get people up to doing full deads & ATF squats etc.

I re-hab & train many people; EVERYONE of my people has to include in their lower body training or whole body depending on the program some form of: gait. squat, deadlift, step & lunge - because these are what we are anatomically designed to do and must do everyday of our lives I.E. walk, step, sit & get up, lift objects from the ground, squat & bend to pick things up - not sit on some stupid leg press, leg extension, chest press, ass & crotch developing machines. They are also the basic components of all sports movements when combined with pushing, pulling, throwing & twisting.

Sports & life (for most active people) occurs in 3D, machines are 2D (no balance & coordination required)

So unless you are a useless couch potato; do almost all of your exercises with NO machines (NB- cables are not machines because the movement of the cables is 3D)

Depending on the physical capabilities of the person I may have to start with re-hab work on the ball and progress to the full 3D squat etc. later. Also properly used the SWIS ball is excellent at increasing stabilzer strength that can help bust through plateus on other lifts and they can also provide training for balance and coordination for sports.

The problem is the geeks who use them for every f'in exercise and never squat, deadlift, press etc. The ball is a tool (a better tool than ANYTHING Cybex, hammer strength, nautilus or Icarian ever made!!!) and people need to use it as a tool. The more tools in my box, the more problems I can fix = the more money I make.

S

 

[anthrax]

Good stuff here

Thanks guys

The idea is that how knowleadgeable you may be, you may not have the perfect form and in 99% of commercial gyms nobody will ever tell you what to do to correct it (partly b/c they don't have a clue)

and it's "easy" to have a good form with an empty BB but soon you want to add plates and more plates and then your form start to deteriorate though you may not be aware of it

 

[Chambewy20]

You can get injured doing any type of movement, just like everyone else has said. Also keep in mind that a lot of P/t's primarily work with people who haven't lifted a weight in their life and, from my experience, haven't lifted a weight themselves. Of course they will know the basics, but beyond that, if you don't live and feed the whole training lifestyle, you can never know what is good or bad for someone else, especially only seeing them in an office and having them do leg extensions, "step-ups" and the rest of that shit.

Train smart, don't throw on 400 pounds and start doing partial deads because someone else in the gym is doing it. Strengthen your abs, lower back, all of that good stuff and work into it. Strength is a marathon, not a sprint, be patient.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

supreme, I know perfectly well that a swiss ball can be good for developing stabilizers. I use one from time to time for dumbell benches.

It's just that they are overused, and treated like the best thing ever. That's what I don't like, and the previous post was a prime example of something really dumb done on a ball.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

some WSB guys use the swissie for dbell presses
ive been using it for ab pull downs..i put it behind my lower back you can feel it a lot more in the abs and it takes pressure off the lower back and allows you to go heavier..

i see so many dong these crazy ab moves and all theyre relly working or destroying is theyre sacrum

 

[Schutzhund1]

I remember reading that most of the injuries caused by deadlifting are torn biceps.

I've never done any swiss ball excercises but it looks like something I could use in the bedroom with my wife...