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Still no snow in Montreal. 15 years ago, we had about one foot easily. Some golf clubs are still open and I'm throwing a BBQ party tonight.....
 
Fucking sucks big time!

Skiing will become instinct just like the Dodo
 
Its 70 degrees in Greenville SC. when I was young it was always in the 30's it sucks....
 
The number of 928 scientific peer reviewed studies from the last 10 years that dispute man-made global warming: 0

The percentage of mainstream media articles from the last 10 years that cast doubt on global warming claims: 53%


By time we get with the program it will be too late.........
 
I blame it on the republicans.
 
i live in the "snow belt" of northcentral pa and my snow shovel hasn't seen the light of day since before last thanksgiving. . .
 
I won't say what I blame it on. I'm a pretty extreme wacky conspirecy theorist, even by normal conspirecy theorists standards. However if anyone really wants to know just ask.
 
gotmilk said:
thumbs down. No snowmobiling. It was 51 yesterday
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one of my clients has an arctic cat dealership. . .he's got a couple HUNDRED left over snowmobiles from last year. . .he's gonna be eating the damn things. . .
 
I've never seen a snowmobile other than on television.
 
digimon7068 said:
i've never seen a texan, other than on tv :)
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We don't all wear cowboy hats and boots and ride horses to work, just in case you were wondering.
 
digimon7068 said:
i actually have some relatives in nederland. . .
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Never heard of it. This state is over 1000 miles from one point to the other, and there are thousands of small towns. Where about is Nederland? Near what major city?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
We don't all wear cowboy hats and boots and ride horses to work, just in case you were wondering.
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But you still don't know the capital of Canada nor whether Europe is East or West of you
 
anthrax said:
But you still don't know the capital of Canada nor whether Europe is East or West of you
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East and West are relative. We live on a sphere. It is closer if you travel East, but you could fly there by going West as well. However I will admit I do not know what the capitol of Canada. In fact I could probably count its provinces and cities that I know the names of on one hand.

By that same token you, depending on where you live, probably know very little about Mexico, which happens to be the nearest nation to me geographically, and has a much larger impact on my day to day life and local politics and economy.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
East and West are relative. We live on a sphere. It is closer if you travel East, but you could fly there by going West as well. However I will admit I do not know what the capitol of Canada. In fact I could probably count its provinces and cities that I know the names of on one hand.

By that same token you, depending on where you live, probably know very little about Mexico, which happens to be the nearest nation to me geographically, and has a much larger impact on my day to day life and local politics and economy.
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Relative, yes, but I would not recommend you say that Europe is West of Texas

This being said I bet 90% of people think Dallas is the capital of Texas and have never heard of Austin
 
fistfullofsteel said:
How about the temps in the NY/NJ area? I'm giving global warming two thumbs up right now. :D
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I don't think you can make valid assessment about GLOBAL warming based on the very recent temperatures in one corner of the earth.
 
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to . Mt. Saint Helens spewed more flourocarbons and noxios poison gas into the atmosphere and created cooling in that region of over they say 5 degrees. If the super volcano of Yellowstone national park and yosemiti ever blow, we are all dead. They tell us that shit because the liberals thing we americans should be blamed for everything cause we like big cars.
 
jimi3times said:
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to . Mt. Saint Helens spewed more flourocarbons and noxios poison gas into the atmosphere and created cooling in that region of over they say 5 degrees. If the super volcano of Yellowstone national park and yosemiti ever blow, we are all dead. They tell us that shit because the liberals thing we americans should be blamed for everything cause we like big cars.
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We have a winner!
 
jimi3times said:
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to . Mt. Saint Helens spewed more flourocarbons and noxios poison gas into the atmosphere and created cooling in that region of over they say 5 degrees. If the super volcano of Yellowstone national park and yosemiti ever blow, we are all dead. They tell us that shit because the liberals thing we americans should be blamed for everything cause we like big cars.
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Yeah, that's it. Blame it on the liberals! Scientists can't be right.
 
Ya but what scientists are right, Im more afraid of a volcano than i am of an iceberg. My point is, we cant stop nature, to think we can is arrogant.Mother nature is one bad bitch and she ever goes on the rag, we are like a tiny tampon being thrown into a hallway.
 
jimi3times said:
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to . Mt. Saint Helens spewed more flourocarbons and noxios poison gas into the atmosphere and created cooling in that region of over they say 5 degrees. If the super volcano of Yellowstone national park and yosemiti ever blow, we are all dead. They tell us that shit because the liberals thing we americans should be blamed for everything cause we like big cars.
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You can get 5 bars of cell phone reception quality at Jenny Lake, Wyoming (south of Yellowstone).....which is in the middle of absolutely no human population.
 
Testosterone boy said:
You can get 5 bars of cell phone reception quality at Jenny Lake, Wyoming (south of Yellowstone).....which is in the middle of absolutely no human population.
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its amazing.... cell phone tower signals go far without anything to block it.... :lmao:
 
Longhorn85 said:
I don't think you can make valid assessment about GLOBAL warming based on the very recent temperatures in one corner of the earth.
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thanks aristotle. :rolleyes: when i need lessons in logic or anything else. i definitely won't need your help.
 
take a look at record temps from years ago, no difference. you're all just lame and pay attention to shit that old people pay attention to....
 
jimi3times said:
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to .
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Amen
 
fistfullofsteel said:
thanks aristotle. :rolleyes: when i need lessons in logic or anything else. i definitely won't need your help.
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You're the idiot who thinks global warming exists because you had a few more days of Indian Summer this year. Give me a break. Face it, you're a gullible sucker.
 
It's been warm enough for a tshirt in MI, and I've heard there's hardly any snow in the U.P. either. I remember that happening once a few years ago. Winters aren't nearly what they used to be.
 
jimi3times said:
Global Warming? How can we be led to believe that the Earths tempature is 1 degree more than it was just 100 years ago. Who measured it back then. Did Edison stick a giant thermometer in a chuckhole and say holy shit things are heatin up. No its all bullshit. We humans can be shakin off this planet like a bad case of fleas anytime the earth wants to . Mt. Saint Helens spewed more flourocarbons and noxios poison gas into the atmosphere and created cooling in that region of over they say 5 degrees. If the super volcano of Yellowstone national park and yosemiti ever blow, we are all dead. They tell us that shit because the liberals thing we americans should be blamed for everything cause we like big cars.
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Dude, there's are ways to measure the temperature from years gone by. Look it up.

We can be "shaken" off this planet like fleas, but at the same time, I do believe that we're causing it.

Think about it for a minute. It's like smoking. Do you really think that there's no problem if we inhale black tar into our lungs? Do you really think that there's no problem if we burn fossil fuels? Really? Nothing comes to mind? Ever take ecology?

In the end, if you want to believe, that's fine. If you don't want to believe, that's fine too.
 
Longhorn85 said:
You're the idiot who thinks global warming exists because you had a few more days of Indian Summer this year. Give me a break. Face it, you're a gullible sucker.
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Actually, I think global warming exists because it seems to have gotten warmer over my lifetime. Sure, some of that can be because of my faulty memory. Or some of it can be because of the weather records that I've been looking up.

In the end, who can really say. Everyone has scientists that say one thing or another. Just like the smoking industry has scientists that says that smoking is good for you.

But, what if they're right and we are going to hell in a handbasket? Wouldn't you try to save ourselves or your kids? We're not talking about radical changes right away, but small steps.
 
Longhorn85 said:
You're the idiot who thinks global warming exists because you had a few more days of Indian Summer this year. Give me a break. Face it, you're a gullible sucker.
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yeah, i came up with the conclusion of global warming cause we had a few weeks of 50's temp. :rolleyes:
 
yellowstone and yosimite are super volcanos, The amount of ash and toxins that would be in the air would block the sunligh and all would die. I dont make this shit up, its fact. because i used rightgrd spray you cant think that would hurt this planet. Us vain humans have only been industrialized for just over 220 years. i was under the impression that this planet is a hell of alot older than that and it defends itself when needed. All these weather and climactic changes most likely happened once or twice before, the only difference is that we didnt have CNN or Al Gore to tell us about it to get votes!!!
 
Global warming is a super-fun issue that will never be resolved.

Either:

1) You believe global warming is probably occuring, but as a trend that is part of a long-term geoecological cycle. (a.k.a. the logical view)

or

2) You believe that humans are contributing significant amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere and creating global warming.

Now here's why it will never be solved.

We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too. But it wont' happen -- why?

Because if you are a member of camp (1), you think fertilization is wasted effort.

If you are a member of camp (2), fertilization would take massive amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere. If it didn't change anything, camp (2) would be revealed as this century's version of Chicken Little. If it did change anything, it would devastate the tree-hugging, granola-munching, pot-smoking envirowhacko industry since there won't be a "problem" to pine over anymore.

As for my opinion, we need to either dump the fertilizer or quit whining about "warming". Shit or get off the pot already.
 
mrplunkey said:
Global warming is a super-fun issue that will never be resolved.

Either:

1) You believe global warming is probably occuring, but as a trend that is part of a long-term geoecological cycle. (a.k.a. the logical view)

or

2) You believe that humans are contributing significant amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere and creating global warming.

Now here's why it will never be solved.

We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too. But it wont' happen -- why?

Because if you are a member of camp (1), you think fertilization is wasted effort.

If you are a member of camp (2), fertilization would take massive amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere. If it didn't change anything, camp (2) would be revealed as this century's version of Chicken Little. If it did change anything, it would devastate the tree-hugging, granola-munching, pot-smoking envirowhacko industry since there won't be a "problem" to pine over anymore.

As for my opinion, we need to either dump the fertilizer or quit whining about "warming". Shit or get off the pot already.
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Earth to Plunkey

Earth to Plunkey

Your oxygen levels have gone critical

Come in Plunkey
 
Testosterone boy said:
Earth to Plunkey

Earth to Plunkey

Your oxygen levels have gone critical

Come in Plunkey
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Oh wait... I forgot.

To t-boy, this whole global warming thing is just a conspiracy for Haliburton to corner the world market on oxygen.

That's the problem with those tin-foil hats. I've often wondered if the snug fit cuts-off blood flow to the brain.
 
Ok Tap a keg and lite sparklers, or will that burn the ozone and then the sun will melt our brains and then the ice melts and the earth leans more to one side cause the weight of the ice is gone and then we all fall off the side? Launch the missles and speed this shit up!
 
mrplunkey said:
Oh wait... I forgot.

To t-boy, this whole global warming thing is just a conspiracy for Haliburton to corner the world market on oxygen.

That's the problem with those tin-foil hats. I've often wondered if the snug fit cuts-off blood flow to the brain.
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Whew.....coming from an anti-conspiracy nut who just said "We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too."

Whew

The evidence for foul play with Kennedy is absolutely way beyond extremely overwhelming.

As for 9/11.....time will tell. You should check into the deals available that Larry can offer you on the new WTC 7. Nothing like brothers scratching backs is there?
 
Testosterone boy said:
Whew.....coming from an anti-conspiracy nut who just said "We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too."

Whew
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And therein lies one of the problems. Fertilizer making algae grow is a fact, wheras the crazy shit you post are theories concocted from thin air from people almost as crazy as you.


Testosterone boy said:
The evidence for foul play with Kennedy is absolutely way beyond extremely overwhelming.
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Your cut-and-paste already proved it had to be the CIA. I mean... the CIA had to conspire to kill Kennedy because only the CIA could cover-up the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Right? Just like the NSA has to be wire-tapping your cell phone because only the NSA could tap your cell phone yet hide their tracks so you could never catch them at it.

... and the sad thing is you're probably stroking your chin right now going "yeaaaahhh... you have a point there! Damn those NSA sekret agents!".

Testosterone boy said:
As for 9/11.....time will tell. You should check into the deals available that Larry can offer you on the new WTC 7. Nothing like brothers scratching backs is there?
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SouthPark... "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce". They made an episode just for you.
 
WODIN said:
Wow you people are retarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
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Cut and paste from your own links:

Oceans
One way to increase the carbon sequestration efficiency of the oceans is to add micrometre-sized iron particles called hematite or iron sulfate to the water. This has the effect of stimulating growth of plankton. Iron is an important nutrient for phytoplankton, usually made available via upwelling along the continental shelves, inflows from rivers and streams, as well as deposition of dust suspended in the atmosphere. Natural sources of ocean iron have been declining in recent decades, contributing to an overall decline in ocean productivity (NASA, 2003). Yet in the presence of iron nutrients plankton populations quickly grow, or 'bloom', expanding the base of biomass productivity throughout the region and removing significant quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere via photosynthesis. A test in 2002 in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica suggests that between 10,000 and 100,000 carbon atoms are sunk for each iron atom added to the water. More recent work in Germany (2005) suggests that any biomass carbon in the oceans, whether exported to depth or recycled in the euphotic zone, represents long term storage of carbon. This means that application of iron nutrients in select parts of the oceans, at appropriate scales, could have the combined effect of restoring ocean productivity while at the same time mitigating the effects of human caused emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

Those skeptical of this approach argue that the effect of periodic small scale phytoplankton blooms on ocean ecosystems is unclear, and that more studies would be helpful. For example, it is known that phytoplankton have a complex effect on cloud formation via the release of substances such as dimethyl sulfide (DMS) that are converted to sulfate aerosols in the atmosphere, providing cloud condensation nuclei, or CCN. But the effect of small scale plankton blooms on overall DMS production is unknown.

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So if CO2 is about to destroy "mother earth", just dump iron in the ocean and be done with it. A 1:10,000 to 1:100,000 ratio is incredible. Hence, as I said earlier: "it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it".

But we'd rather try to force billions of people, the vast majority of whom are in india and china, to alter their behavior. Good luck with that. People trying to feed themselves and bring their standard of living up to parity with the rest of the world aren't going to worry about scientific debates right now.
 
Global warming is a bunch of bullshit Al Gore and the politicians feed the american people.. It gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It is simply mother nature doing her thing.. Al Gore is feeding us the same theories/excuses now as they did 25-30 years ago.. China & Russia thumb their noses at us when we talk about global warming, that should tell you something..India too!
 
So, if the man made global warming theory is non sense why do most scientists and average Joes now believe it is a true fact?

Because they are all incompetent?
Because there is a huge market in environment friendly process/product?
Because it is the only way for us to slow down the rise of China and other wannabe industrial and economic powers?
...?
 
I really don't get people who think global warming is some made up Al Gore/Liberal/Environmentalist BS. Why don't you take a little time and research the topic. The evidence is pretty convincing. You may not like Al Gore but the scientific studies he presents are pretty damning...
 
mrplunkey said:
Cut and paste from your own links:

Oceans
One way to increase the carbon sequestration efficiency of the oceans is to add micrometre-sized iron particles called hematite or iron sulfate to the water. This has the effect of stimulating growth of plankton. Iron is an important nutrient for phytoplankton, usually made available via upwelling along the continental shelves, inflows from rivers and streams, as well as deposition of dust suspended in the atmosphere. Natural sources of ocean iron have been declining in recent decades, contributing to an overall decline in ocean productivity (NASA, 2003). Yet in the presence of iron nutrients plankton populations quickly grow, or 'bloom', expanding the base of biomass productivity throughout the region and removing significant quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere via photosynthesis. A test in 2002 in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica suggests that between 10,000 and 100,000 carbon atoms are sunk for each iron atom added to the water. More recent work in Germany (2005) suggests that any biomass carbon in the oceans, whether exported to depth or recycled in the euphotic zone, represents long term storage of carbon. This means that application of iron nutrients in select parts of the oceans, at appropriate scales, could have the combined effect of restoring ocean productivity while at the same time mitigating the effects of human caused emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

Those skeptical of this approach argue that the effect of periodic small scale phytoplankton blooms on ocean ecosystems is unclear, and that more studies would be helpful. For example, it is known that phytoplankton have a complex effect on cloud formation via the release of substances such as dimethyl sulfide (DMS) that are converted to sulfate aerosols in the atmosphere, providing cloud condensation nuclei, or CCN. But the effect of small scale plankton blooms on overall DMS production is unknown.

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So if CO2 is about to destroy "mother earth", just dump iron in the ocean and be done with it. A 1:10,000 to 1:100,000 ratio is incredible. Hence, as I said earlier: "it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it".

But we'd rather try to force billions of people, the vast majority of whom are in india and china, to alter their behavior. Good luck with that. People trying to feed themselves and bring their standard of living up to parity with the rest of the world aren't going to worry about scientific debates right now.
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I agree with your solution points its those who are denying the Cannery in the coal mine that are idiots.
 
WODIN said:
I agree with your solution points its those who are denying the Cannery in the coal mine that are idiots.
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There is definately some sort of trend going on. The other aspect of the problem though is we can't seperate the man-made effects from the ultra long-germ geoecological cycles. Its like trying to measure the volume of your swimming pool with an eyedropper while gallons of water are added and evaporate every day.

The other obvious issue is india and china. Let's look at US ratios first:

300M people using ~ 150B gallons/year of fuel -- so that's about 500/gallons per person per year.

Now lets let every single American switch to a hybrid that gets 3x the fuel efficiency. Thats probably 3x or more the emmissions improvement that even the most eco-whacko legislation proposes.

So now we're at 500/3 = 166 gallons/person per year.

Now lets assume that as part of this new-found environmental awareness that we destroy the old cars, instead of reselling them to India and China like what would really happen.

Now lets also assume that even though China and India can barely feed themselves, they're going to be eco-enlightened too and go with these new miracle hybrids.

So once they reach living parity with their western counterparts, they'll still only be at 166 gallons/person per year.

So 166 gallons x 2B people = 333B gallons a year of fuel.

Therefore, even if the entire world becomes eco-friendly and cuts their fuel consumption by 66% (even in the developing world), we're still headed toward a 3x increase in fossil fuels use.

You can't get there from here.
 
I cannot believe the amount of fucking idiots in this thread. Thinking that global warming is a theory, lolol. It's a fact, look at the numbers, do the research or better yet use common knowledge about warmer climates increasing natural disaster occurances ie. hurricanes, typhoones, flooding, drought. Compare the number we had over this last year to ones in the past. Look at all the glaciers and ice caps melting...

ksharp, who cares? Why not care for the sake of humanity, for the sake of your kids? What a lazy non-assertive standpoint to have, I will quote mother Teresa on your behalf: "We the people feel our actions are but a drop in the ocean, but without that drop the ocean would be less."
 
:baby2: :bawling: :nopity:

pdaddy said:
I cannot believe the amount of fucking idiots in this thread. Thinking that global warming is a theory, lolol. It's a fact, look at the numbers, do the research or better yet use common knowledge about warmer climates increasing natural disaster occurances ie. hurricanes, typhoones, flooding, drought. Compare the number we had over this last year to ones in the past. Look at all the glaciers and ice caps melting...

ksharp, who cares? Why not care for the sake of humanity, for the sake of your kids? What a lazy non-assertive standpoint to have, I will quote mother Teresa on your behalf: "We the people feel our actions are but a drop in the ocean, but without that drop the ocean would be less."
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pdaddy said:
I cannot believe the amount of fucking idiots in this thread. Thinking that global warming is a theory, lolol. It's a fact, look at the numbers, do the research or better yet use common knowledge about warmer climates increasing natural disaster occurances ie. hurricanes, typhoones, flooding, drought. Compare the number we had over this last year to ones in the past. Look at all the glaciers and ice caps melting...

ksharp, who cares? Why not care for the sake of humanity, for the sake of your kids? What a lazy non-assertive standpoint to have, I will quote mother Teresa on your behalf: "We the people feel our actions are but a drop in the ocean, but without that drop the ocean would be less."
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I received your bad K, your a f*cking idiot.. The CO2 emissions that are spewed into the air by man are less than 1%. Volcanoes erupt every f*cking day spewing what into the air??? Mmm, sulfur, gases, etc.. F*ck, climate science and scientists cant even make accurate predictions.. And neither can the weather guy... Im with Ksharp, I really dont give a shit either.. When China and Russia jump on the bandwagon, please feel free to let me know and Ill join the party.. They are fucking laughing at us..
 
Opponents of global warming.. I didnt realize these respected inviduals are wrong and pdaddy is right..

Opponents of the global warming theory
Main article: List of scientists opposing global warming consensus
A small number of climate scientists and scientists in related fields have expressed opposition to the scientific consensus on global warming. Several of the most prominent are the following:

Patrick Michaels from the Department of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia
Richard Lindzen of Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Robert Balling of Arizona State University
Sherwood B. Idso of the U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory [30]
S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist and professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.
Robert M. Carter an Australian marine geophysicist.
Frederick Seitz (anti-global warming treaties, accepts the temperature rise as real, but not yet properly explained)
William M. Gray, emeritus professor at Colorado State University and one of the world's leading experts on tropical storms. Gray claims that there is no link between increasing ocean temperatures and more intense hurricanes in recent decades. He also rejects the usefulness of computer models as tools for weather and climate research. [31]
Roy Spencer, known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work
Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Center.
Some prominent opponents from outside the climate science community have been:

Kary Mullis, biochemist and inventor of PCR
Andrey Illarionov, former economic advisor to Russian president Vladimir Putin
Ross McKitrick economics professor
Michael Crichton, science fiction author and critic of the politicization of science, Global Warming is an issue in his 2004 novel, State of Fear
David Bellamy, British environmental campaigner who has since decided to draw back from the debate on global warming.
Ann Coulter, American syndicated columnist.
Steven Milloy, FOX News columnist and Publisher of JunkScience.com.
Some organisations were formed to further the opponents' views:

Cooler Heads Coalition
Information Council on the Environment (defunct): Michaels, Balling and Idso all lent their names in 1991 to the scientific advisory panel of the Information Council on the Environment (ICE), an energy industry public relations group.
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Science and Environmental Policy Project, founded by S. Fred Singer.
 
mrplunkey said:
We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too.
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Fertilizer in the water is part of the problem. Your sir, are a jackass, and your posts have no value. Please read something not published by a rightwingnut.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4624359/

The number of oxygen-deprived "dead zones" in the world's oceans has been increasing since the 1970s and is now nearly 150, threatening fisheries as well as humans who depend on fish, the U.N. Environment Program announced Monday in unveiling its first-ever Global Environment Outlook Year Book.

These "dead zones" are caused by an excess of nitrogen from farm fertilizers, sewage and emissions from vehicles and factories.
 
pdaddy please explain to everyone on EF why the ice caps are melting on Mars? I didnt realize the car Im driving is having such an impact on other planets..
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
pdaddy please explain to everyone on EF why the ice caps are melting on Mars? I didnt realize the car Im driving is having such an impact on other planets..
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you just pwned yourself, lolol
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
pdaddy please explain to everyone on EF why the ice caps are melting on Mars? I didnt realize the car Im driving is having such an impact on other planets..
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Here you go,
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/07aug_southpole.htm

The south polar cap is vaporizing now, which means CO2 is rushing back into the atmosphere. "Remember, though," adds Smith, "there are two polar caps on Mars--north and south. While the south polar cap is vaporizing the north polar cap is growing. It's a balancing act. Overall air pressure will be greatest when there's the least amount of CO2 on the ground." The next such peak is due in early October--that is, early southern summer on Mars.
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So which of our ice caps are growing?
 
Why dont you 2 read up on the 'Little Ice Age' and get back to me? It happend back in the 1300s I believe..

Anyways..

300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?

You Global Warming bandwagon idiots are going to focus on the destruction of forests and the pollution from automobiles and factories as the cause.. On the contrary, forests have been expanding and pollution has dropped in the USA.. Most CO2 action takes place in the seas/oceans..

Looks like you 2 just got pwned right back.. Your turn!
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
Why dont you 2 read up on the 'Little Ice Age' and get back to me? It happend back in the 1300s I believe..

Anyways..

300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?

You Global Warming bandwagon idiots are going to focus on the destruction of forests and the pollution from automobiles and factories as the cause.. On the contrary, forests have been expanding and pollution has dropped in the USA.. Most CO2 action takes place in the seas/oceans..

Looks like you 2 just got pwned right back.. Your turn!
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lol, everytime you type you pwn yourself, lololol
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
forests have been expanding and pollution has dropped in the USA..
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Wow, where is this now? I live in the Evergreen state and I can tell that forests are NOT expanding. Pollution has drop because the EPA restrictions that Bush is trying to roll back. Do you even live in the US? Forests are expanding, lol.
 
pdaddy said:
lol, everytime you type you pwn yourself, lololol
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everytime you type, Im waiting for a legitimate response..You cant back anything up you say..


300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. (THAT IS FACT, NOT THEORY) Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
I received your bad K, your a f*cking idiot.. The CO2 emissions that are spewed into the air by man are less than 1%. Volcanoes erupt every f*cking day spewing what into the air??? Mmm, sulfur, gases, etc.. F*ck, climate science and scientists cant even make accurate predictions.. And neither can the weather guy... Im with Ksharp, I really dont give a shit either.. When China and Russia jump on the bandwagon, please feel free to let me know and Ill join the party.. They are fucking laughing at us..
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About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels.




PWNED!!@!1!
 
Human use of coal, oil, and natural gas has not measurably warmed the atmosphere and it wont in the future.. I will agree that it does release CO2, which in turn accelerates the growth rates of plants and also permits plants to grow in drier areas.. Animals depend on plants..

I cant find the report, but during the 20 years with the highest CO2 levels, atmospheric temps have decreased..
 
jestro said:
Fertilizer in the water is part of the problem. Your sir, are a jackass, and your posts have no value. Please read something not published by a rightwingnut.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4624359/

The number of oxygen-deprived "dead zones" in the world's oceans has been increasing since the 1970s and is now nearly 150, threatening fisheries as well as humans who depend on fish, the U.N. Environment Program announced Monday in unveiling its first-ever Global Environment Outlook Year Book.

These "dead zones" are caused by an excess of nitrogen from farm fertilizers, sewage and emissions from vehicles and factories.
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Good lord... where to start in such a sea of misinformed stupidity...

Here goes!

The verb fertilize has 3 meanings:

Meaning #1: provide with fertilizers or add nutrients to; in agriculture and gardening
Synonyms: fertilise, feed


Meaning #2: make fertile or productive
Synonyms: fecundate, fertilise


Meaning #3: introduce semen into (a female)
Synonyms: inseminate, fecundate, fertilise

For this discussion, let's stick to definition #1.

In this case, the "nutrients" used to reduce CO2 levels are hematite and/or iron sulfate. The nutrient stimulates the growth of phytoplankton, which produces Oxygen through a process known as Photosynthesis.

Now dead zones, what you are referring to, are different. In that case tremendous amounts of nitrogen and phospherous are concentrated in a very specific area (i.e. washing out the mouth of a river) it causes a spike in algae bloom rates.

No one is proposing dumping the hematite or iron sulfate into one spot. The idea is to spread it over a huge area using airplanes. Comparing the deposition of these compounds to the run-off from concentrated animal feeding operations is just plain misinformed.

Oh... and I enjoyed your comment about a contributor of dead zones being emissions from vehicles. Good luck in your campaign against those nitrogen-producing cars! ... and to think I didn't even recognize gasoline as a good source of nitrogen. Perhaps bodybuilders should drink it too to fulfull their daily protein needs.

Good lord I feel dumber even addressing your post. I need to go take a shower and wash some of the st00pid off me.
 
Someone answers my question, please?

anthrax said:
So, if the man made global warming theory is non sense why do most scientists and average Joes now believe it is a true fact?

Because they are all incompetent?
Because there is a huge market in environment friendly process/product?
Because it is the only way for us to slow down the rise of China and other wannabe industrial and economic powers?
...?
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whether it is or isn't a fact - why is it considered a bad thing to care about the environment we live in? I'm not a big fan of my kids developing asthma or lung cancer from crap in the air. Or getting cancer from the chemical products in the soil used to grow the carrots in his babyfood.

human behavior has an effect on the air. Take a look at the LA skyline over the 409 at about sunset on a clear day. That's smog. It's pretty bad.
 
patsfan1379 said:
whether it is or isn't a fact - why is it considered a bad thing to care about the environment we live in? I'm not a big fan of my kids developing asthma or lung cancer from crap in the air. Or getting cancer from the chemical products in the soil used to grow the carrots in his babyfood.

human behavior has an effect on the air. Take a look at the LA skyline over the 409 at about sunset on a clear day. That's smog. It's pretty bad.
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you must be a democrat. you must be anti-republican. you must be a tree hugger. :rolleyes: i'm joking, of course.

i would love to kill every mother fucker who calls somebody who is worried about the environment a tree hugger. yes, i often picture myself cutting their throat open with a rusty knife and watching them die slowly and then spitting on their piece of shit carcass. all the toxic shit that's being spewed into ground, water, and air or whatever can't be good for the environment and it doesn't take einstein to realize that.
 
anthrax said:
Someone answers my question, please?
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im still waiting for mr know.it.all pdaddy to answer mine..

300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. (THAT IS FACT, NOT THEORY) Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?

He dont answer me direct just sends me bad k, because we have difference in opinion.. I see who the ignorant, immature one is.. I hope you are not going to brainwash your newborn with your global warming nonsense.. Maybe you can campaign with al gore, and promote your theories, not facts! There is a difference.. In the meantime, I will be lmao with Russia, China & India waiting for global warming to happen.. How much of an increase has happened over the surface area of the earth in regards to temperature? A whopping 1degree? Im so worried now.. Next you will be preaching that hurricane katrina was the americans fault, and not mother nature..
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
im still waiting for mr know.it.all pdaddy to answer mine..

300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. (THAT IS FACT, NOT THEORY) Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?

He dont answer me direct just sends me bad k, because we have difference in opinion.. I see who the ignorant, immature one is.. I hope you are not going to brainwash your newborn with your global warming nonsense.. Maybe you can campaign with al gore, and promote your theories, not facts! There is a difference.. In the meantime, I will be lmao with Russia, China & India waiting for global warming to happen.. How much of an increase has happened over the surface area of the earth in regards to temperature? A whopping 1degree? Im so worried now.. Next you will be preaching that hurricane katrina was the americans fault, and not mother nature..
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was that even in english lol?
 
mrplunkey said:
Global warming is a super-fun issue that will never be resolved.

Either:

1) You believe global warming is probably occuring, but as a trend that is part of a long-term geoecological cycle. (a.k.a. the logical view)

or

2) You believe that humans are contributing significant amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere and creating global warming.

Now here's why it will never be solved.

We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too. But it wont' happen -- why?

Because if you are a member of camp (1), you think fertilization is wasted effort.

If you are a member of camp (2), fertilization would take massive amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere. If it didn't change anything, camp (2) would be revealed as this century's version of Chicken Little. If it did change anything, it would devastate the tree-hugging, granola-munching, pot-smoking envirowhacko industry since there won't be a "problem" to pine over anymore.

As for my opinion, we need to either dump the fertilizer or quit whining about "warming". Shit or get off the pot already.
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Is your ethanol plant going to produce "algae fertilizer" as a byproduct?

I looked at your iron fertilizer equation. I suspect that planet oceania doesn't have enough economically mineable iron to do the job. Assuming that iron was a super potent algae fertilizer.

It makes algae darker but ammonia, phosphates, and nitrates are more efficient. And we are pumping millions of gallons of those into the ocean every month.

BTW....I tend to agree with your assessment of the CIA/Kennedy connection. Who else could have/would have kidnapped the cadaver and carved up the scalp between Dallas and Washington? Photographs of the head in Dallas with the clean bullet sized puncture in the right, front temple vs the mangled head/scalp that was received in Washington. Pretty crude work.
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
im still waiting for mr know.it.all pdaddy to answer mine..

300+ million years ago the earth had 10x the present CO2 level. (THAT IS FACT, NOT THEORY) Those levels didnt produce global warming than, why would they today?

He dont answer me direct just sends me bad k, because we have difference in opinion.. I see who the ignorant, immature one is.. I hope you are not going to brainwash your newborn with your global warming nonsense.. Maybe you can campaign with al gore, and promote your theories, not facts! There is a difference.. In the meantime, I will be lmao with Russia, China & India waiting for global warming to happen.. How much of an increase has happened over the surface area of the earth in regards to temperature? A whopping 1degree? Im so worried now.. Next you will be preaching that hurricane katrina was the americans fault, and not mother nature..
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I'm striving mightily not to enter this 'argument' since your mind is obviously made up but just a quick question. Do you comprehend what a 'whopping one degree' increase in surface temperature does?

Also, you are throwing around the words 'fact' and 'theory' with alarming regularity since the established 'facts' accepted by just about every reputable scientist in the field is that global warming is occuring. Further, an overwhelming majority of those same pesky scientists agree that humans are a factor. How much of a factor is about the only thing that can still be debated with any credibility. Period.
 
test boy ii said:
Is your ethanol plant going to produce "algae fertilizer" as a byproduct?

I looked at your iron fertilizer equation. I suspect that planet oceania doesn't have enough economically mineable iron to do the job. Assuming that iron was a super potent algae fertilizer.

It makes algae darker but ammonia, phosphates, and nitrates are more efficient. And we are pumping millions of gallons of those into the ocean every month.

BTW....I tend to agree with your assessment of the CIA/Kennedy connection. Who else could have/would have kidnapped the cadaver and carved up the scalp between Dallas and Washington? Photographs of the head in Dallas with the clean bullet sized puncture in the right, front temple vs the mangled head/scalp that was received in Washington. Pretty crude work.
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Actually, I should be leading the pack jumping up and down about the horrendious effects that rampant gasoline consumption is having on Mother Earth. Studies show that the CO2 released from fermentation of corn and the subsequent combustion of ethanol are completely offset (and then some) by the CO2 absorbed by the corn during it's cultivation.

So yeah, my pocketbook says I should be whining about how horribly fossil fuel combustion is. But guess what? It's just dumb. There are massive geoecological trends at work here, as well as a contribution from man. And trying to reduce automotive emissions is just dumb too, unless you are willing to bomb China and India back into the stone age so they can't modernize and start consuming gasoline at US rates.

I did this estimate previously on this thread, but the bottom line is even if every american cut their gasoline consumption by 66% and China and India followed suit, you'd still be looking at more than doubling fossil-fuel based emission from those two countries alone. Bottom line -- you can't get there form here.

And as far as adding iron to the ocean goes, I don't know why they chose iron. I did read somewhere that any iron oxide would do, so I'd bet you could just gather otherwise useless iron oxide deposits and use them in this application. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say iron oxides are probably more inert with other ocean life than a nitrogen or phospherous compound would be -- but that's just a guess.

And as far as Kennedy goes... dude... that was an Area-51 alien job all the way. The CIA wanted to do it, but the aliens got to him first.
 
mrplunkey said:
Actually, I should be leading the pack jumping up and down about the horrendious effects that rampant gasoline consumption is having on Mother Earth. Studies show that the CO2 released from fermentation of corn and the subsequent combustion of ethanol are completely offset (and then some) by the CO2 absorbed by the corn during it's cultivation.

So yeah, my pocketbook says I should be whining about how horribly fossil fuel combustion is. But guess what? It's just dumb. There are massive geoecological trends at work here, as well as a contribution from man. And trying to reduce automotive emissions is just dumb too, unless you are willing to bomb China and India back into the stone age so they can't modernize and start consuming gasoline at US rates.

I did this estimate previously on this thread, but the bottom line is even if every american cut their gasoline consumption by 66% and China and India followed suit, you'd still be looking at more than doubling fossil-fuel based emission from those two countries alone. Bottom line -- you can't get there form here.

And as far as adding iron to the ocean goes, I don't know why they chose iron. I did read somewhere that any iron oxide would do, so I'd bet you could just gather otherwise useless iron oxide deposits and use them in this application. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say iron oxides are probably more inert with other ocean life than a nitrogen or phospherous compound would be -- but that's just a guess.

And as far as Kennedy goes... dude... that was an Area-51 alien job all the way. The CIA wanted to do it, but the aliens got to him first.
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Just for the record, believing in the Kennedy conspiracy and being very interested in 9/11 is simply that.

Finding other possibilities and theories to be interesting is nothing more than rational science.

A thread runs through a powerful organization that likes technology, money, and academic prowress. That thread is being demeaning.
 
mrplunkey said:
We could just fertilize the algae in the ocean and reduce CO2 levels dramatically. Funny thing is, it takes a remarkably small amount of fertilizer to do it too. .
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I want whatever MrPlunkey is on. This beats Area 51 and all that stuff all to hell.

Especially since they were out of egg nog rum.
 
jimi3times said:
Ya but what scientists are right, Im more afraid of a volcano than i am of an iceberg. My point is, we cant stop nature, to think we can is arrogant.Mother nature is one bad bitch and she ever goes on the rag, we are like a tiny tampon being thrown into a hallway.
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nice analogy
 
test boy ii said:
I want whatever MrPlunkey is on.
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Mr Plunkey is high on irony -- irony that's originating from the fact that the same crackpot who embraces every nutcase conspiracy theory he can find on the Internet isn't bought-in on this whole "photosynthesis" thing.

test boy ii said:
Especially since they were out of egg nog rum.
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I'm sure that's part of a conspiracy against you as well.
 
mrplunkey said:
Mr Plunkey is high on irony -- irony that's originating from the fact that the same crackpot who embraces every nutcase conspiracy theory he can find on the Internet isn't bought-in on this whole "photosynthesis" thing.



I'm sure that's part of a conspiracy against you as well.
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You are a nut case.

The fact that you like to call others that...doesn't change a thing.

Kind of hard to document things around here.....I made a custom Plunkey sig based on two search words. It got deleted in hours.

Merry Christmas. :santa2:
 
test boy ii said:
I made a custom Plunkey sig based on two search words. It got deleted in hours.
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And just who deleted it?

the_optimist.jpg


Oh, and Merry Christmas to you too :)

:santa2: :santa2: :santa2: :santa2: :santa2:
 
test boy ii said:
Kind of hard to document things around here.....I made a custom Plunkey sig based on two search words. It got deleted in hours.
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Bump to encourage t-boy to reveal the person or persons who deleted his custom sig "in hours".

We must get to the bottom of this conspiracy. Was it the Illuminati?
 
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