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global warming and eugenics, an interesting read
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stosstruppe
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Yea, reminded me of the book "State of Fear" where the author highlights many similarities between early 20th century eugenics and global warming, "politicised science".
crazyjoe
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BTW, I'm not trying to be rude in any way.When I suggested that read, it was because you seem like you're a little more open to information and FACTs than some other people who are just quick to believe Al Gore who refuses to even debate the issue with noted scholars and scientists.Knowing the real state of the world is important, because fear of largely imaginary environmentalMoltke said:
problems can divert political energy from dealing with real ones. Here is a link to a page with some hard facts that I think you will find VERY informative.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2001/08/14/intro.pdf
redsamurai
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that's possibly the worst article I've ever read. The comparison being made is superficial........I was expecting something with meat, somethng substantial. What I was given was a mealy mouthed feckless rendition of the smokescreen. The correlations are spurious at best............if there's more, let me know, I'll read it. But that was terrible. Comparing the theory of global warming to eugenics based on absolutely nothing...........it's only purpose was to introduce the idea without any substance.........so as to initiate the unintelligent to make the unfounded correlation in their minds. Ridiculous.
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crazyjoe
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Hmm, sorry I did not know you wrote that.redsamurai said:
Here is some other tidbits.http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2001/08/14/resources-biodiversity.pdf
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2001/08/14/warming.pdf
redsamurai
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crazyjoe said:Hmm, sorry I did not know you wrote that.
good catch, fixed........
redsamurai
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crazyjoe said:
ok, I read a couple pages in the first link. I can't read all of it because I'm off to the gym and then it's Halo 3 time tonight. But anyway, one thing that struck me is the contention that we'll just use oil, and therefore we'll always just open more oil fields as needed. It seemed to really be contending that oil is an infinite resourse, that would be nice........but it isn't valid. I don't have a link right now, but it was an article about where there is oil left in the world. And this was a "pro big oil" article written by a miscessian economist.......google "ludvig von misces" if you don't know. Anyway..........the article pretty much admitted that we've pretty much tapped the last of the vast oil reserves close to the surface. The article got pretty excited about the oil beneath the ocean's surface. It then went on to contend that the free market will try to find a way to tap that ass when the need arises. So what y'all are arguing is that "of course" someone will come up with a technology that could drill up from ocean depths of 1 mile min, in alot of cases 2 miles. I cringe greatly when I read that...........because you're "hedging your bets". A comprehensive energy plan cannot be based on the assumption that technology will accomodate us when current specialist in the field shake their head and say that even if the technology existed it would be so astronomically expensive that it would invalidate the whole endeavor. One guy I remember was saying that conditions at those depths rival if not surpass conditions in outer space in some respects. I think we'll have better luck mining the moon if we found fuel there.
Weird. That article was both far-left and uber-conservative at the same time.
yeah but there are a ton of ''debunking''s done of that book... I like MC as an author, but that book is kinda meh.Stoßtruppe said:
javaguru
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Conservative estimates by the "experts" put us at 30 years tops before we run out of easy to get oil. Also, it seems that the receding glaciers have exposed some resource rich land as well. I can only conclude that global warming is caused by Jesus to keep us supplied with black gold until his second coming. That is all...
dood, our country peaked in oil production 37 years ago. Most other countries have also. Most of the easy to get oil is gone and has been for a long time.javaguru said:Conservative estimates by the "experts" put us at 30 years tops before we run out of easy to get oil. Also, it seems that the receding glaciers have exposed some resource rich land as well. I can only conclude that global warming is caused by Jesus to keep us supplied with black gold until his second coming. That is all...
google P1 P2 and P3 reserves to find out more about oil production and stuff...
crazyjoe said:
yeah, and now we have 10x the wells we used to to produce 1/3 the oil. What's that tell ya? Harder and harder to get. Peak Oil may be alarmist, but even the big Gawahar field in Saudia Arabia isnt producing what it was.
Regardless of if most of the oil isn't ''gone'', using maximum recovery methods only gets you around 2/3 of what a well is predicted to have.
crazyjoe said:
True, and yes I looked. However there is a difference between piecing together the truth and merely more propaganda. Ahh hell it seems like nearly everything meant to be informative is propaganda.
natural gas is the wave of the future.javaguru said:Conservative estimates by the "experts" put us at 30 years tops before we run out of easy to get oil. Also, it seems that the receding glaciers have exposed some resource rich land as well. I can only conclude that global warming is caused by Jesus to keep us supplied with black gold until his second coming. That is all...
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