Giving it up ...... forever

[BOOEY]

I'm done with juice. The more cycles I do, the more negatives I see and less and less positives. For instance with each cycle, I get increasingly more and more acne, more body hair (disgusting), on edge seemingly all the time, lazy and tired, and intolerable back pains. And who knows what's going on inside my body. I remember my first cycle - perfect! No sides whatsoever, and ~15lbs of LBM off of just 500mg of Test. I remember the feeling of being on for the first time - incredible. I wanted it to last forever.

But those days are long over. I'm not going to jeopordize my health by running 2g of test just to be able to gain 10lbs. My last bulker, I ran 900mg of test w/ 50mg D-bol, and after I came off, I kept only 12 lbs LBM (lost a shit load of water, and gained some fat). And coming off is the worst feeling in the world. You lose strength and weight. Even if your PCT is perfect, you're going to lose something. And it gets into your head. You start thinking about who quickly you need to get back on in order to save yourself from losing anymore. For me, it's a never-ending circle.

My priorities have changed. I no longer want to be the biggest and the strongest in the gym. I want to be healthy and have a strong phsyique, but not one like Ronnie Coleman. I'm not in a rush anymore to get the physique I want, which is not too far down the road if I stay consistent - I'm willing to wait the extra couple of years. Juice seems to be just a short-cut, with a bunch of extra shit you need to deal with, like aggression, laziness, and acne. I was so much more athletic and energetic when I was @ 200lbs than I am @ 230lbs. Even when off, I just wanted to sleep all day and do nothing. Our bodies are not meant to be carrying around all this extra weight, be it fat OR muscle. Now that I've cut down on the weight, I'm so much more active, it's insane. I don't see myself ever going above, at the most, 215lbs again. It's simply not worth it. I can look just as good @ 200lbs.

This has been something I've been thinking about for a while. I don't look down on anyone for juicing. I think if you can handle it, and you don't see too many sides, go for it. If your priority is in the gym, go for it. But for me, I can't keep up with it any longer. I need to start paying more attention to other priorities.

So that's it for me, I'll be in the Weight Training Board, but no longer in the Anabolics. Good luck to all the good bros in here.

 

[thelion2005]

Sent you a PM.

 

[muscleup]

Good luck with your new adventure........Nothing wrong with training natural brotha... You may find that cycling once every 1.5-2 years just to get over a plateua may work best for you.


Karma for you.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I'm done with juice. The more cycles I do, the more negatives I see and less and less positives. For instance with each cycle, I get increasingly more and more acne, more body hair (disgusting), on edge seemingly all the time, lazy and tired, and intolerable back pains. And who knows what's going on inside my body. I remember my first cycle - perfect! No sides whatsoever, and ~15lbs of LBM off of just 500mg of Test. I remember the feeling of being on for the first time - incredible. I wanted it to last forever.

But those days are long over. I'm not going to jeopordize my health by running 2g of test just to be able to gain 10lbs. My last bulker, I ran 900mg of test w/ 50mg D-bol, and after I came off, I kept only 12 lbs LBM (lost a shit load of water, and gained some fat). And coming off is the worst feeling in the world. You lose strength and weight. Even if your PCT is perfect, you're going to lose something. And it gets into your head. You start thinking about who quickly you need to get back on in order to save yourself from losing anymore. For me, it's a never-ending circle.

My priorities have changed. I no longer want to be the biggest and the strongest in the gym. I want to be healthy and have a strong phsyique, but not one like Ronnie Coleman. I'm not in a rush anymore to get the physique I want, which is not too far down the road if I stay consistent - I'm willing to wait the extra couple of years. Juice seems to be just a short-cut, with a bunch of extra shit you need to deal with, like aggression, laziness, and acne. I was so much more athletic and energetic when I was @ 200lbs than I am @ 230lbs. Even when off, I just wanted to sleep all day and do nothing. Our bodies are not meant to be carrying around all this extra weight, be it fat OR muscle. Now that I've cut down on the weight, I'm so much more active, it's insane. I don't see myself ever going above, at the most, 215lbs again. It's simply not worth it. I can look just as good @ 200lbs.

This has been something I've been thinking about for a while. I don't look down on anyone for juicing. I think if you can handle it, and you don't see too many sides, go for it. If your priority is in the gym, go for it. But for me, I can't keep up with it any longer. I need to start paying more attention to other priorities.

So that's it for me, I'll be in the Weight Training Board, but no longer in the Anabolics. Good luck to all the good bros in here.

You speak the truth. You're not the only feeling this way. I too have given this much thought in the past few months...The consequences CAN be detrimental, and the feeling you get when OFF definitely IS shitty...I have even said I'd quit I think twice already since i been in the game, didn't have the will power to quit. I have about tops of 2 cycles left in my career I believe, hopefully I'll follow through with it when the time comes to stop. Good luck to you!

 

[jeepboi]

Good Luck man

 

[Apexx]

Booey, I wish u all the best bro. Hopefully you'll be at peace with the new, slightly smaller, but much healthier you.

 

[sparetire]

I hear ya booey. I felt like crap after my last test cycle also. I was running 750 a week in test plus another 400 in eq. I remember someone on here (docjmw) told me in a pm never to take dosages over 750 total. He told me that if I kept under 1g per week, ran for short amounts (under 10 weeks), I wouldn't be abusing my body. I took that into consideration. The first cycle I ran was eq/winny and at a total of 750. It was the best cycle and even pct was great. This past cycle test/eq wasn't that great because of the come down, etc. Hell, I felt better once it was out of my system. Through that result, I won't run high doses anymore. Maybe you have burned yourself out for the time being. Maybe your body is telling you to take a break. It's good that you are listening to it. Most of you have heard me say that I too do not want to get huge either, but just keep a nice healthy physique. low dosages will give me that plus good hard training.. Take care and good luck bro.

 

[krishna]

Right on Booey! Takes a real man to be able to just hang it up and do it the good old fashion way. I'm sure you'll do great and be a healthy mofo. It'll be worth it if you just stay focused on the positives of not using. See you around bro.

 

[babbabuee]

quitter!!! hehe, just kidding. good for you man, do what's right for ya. I feel like I've only got one or two more cycles in me as well, but I said that after the last one as well. then again, i'm still trying to put on mass.

 

[The Terminator]

Why not just find a weight you like and do moderate cycles that keep you at that general zone? (that's what I do)

My cycles NEVER put on more than 7-8 lbs on me (if that...), and basically are just used to lean me out a little and get a little stronger...It has become more for maintenance at this point...

 

[Tweakle]

Big step bro.. I've been there myself in the past, but I'm so badly shutdown I never bounced back from the last deca/tren cycle I did.. once I get to a weight my body can keep without massive amounts of juice, at a low bf% I'm just gonna cruise at 500mg a week... no more mega cycles, the cost and mental sides are too much if you dont have the genetics to take full advantage of them. being 250 was nice but I looked a lot better at 220 ripped

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm close enough to where I want to be that I can stay there with less than 500mg weekly total. Matter of fact after 2006 I will probably only be on HRT, 2-4iu GH and IGF-1. I'm tired of lugging a ton of weight around and I plan to have kids within 3 years. Now I routinely walk up the 8 flights of steps to my apt everyday instead of taking the elevator. The funny thing is my gym has an elevator and I take that everyday to get to the locker room.

 

[Underworld]

Good luck bro, I've always been more of a fan of definition over raw size. Anyone would look better at 200lbs 10%bf than 230lbs 20%bf.

IMO there's no point having muscles if they're not defined (unless you're a pro weightlifter!)

 

[nishnish]

we all come to these points in our lives wher eit is time for a change. i have been there bro- i know!!! i recently went back "on" after 5 years of clean, natural training. before that i had been on for nearly 6 years straight...

i have learned a good bit about myself and my dependency on steroids when i was in my 20's.

this will be a good times for you to re-examine yourself, those who are important to you, and what is important to you.

good luck bro.

 

[Maetenloch]

Given your experience and maturity, it sounds like you've made the right decison. Rather than viewing it as giving up something, view it as an opportunity to try for a different look say more defined and ripped. You might even want to take a break from bodybuilding and try cycling or martial arts for a while as a change of pace.

 

[tiger88]

I think I am one of the few who have "only done one cycle" did test/dbol that was it...loved it (tried to do anavar EQ but got injured in week 1)

being natty aint bad...

glad u can stop now...just curious how many cycles have u done?

one reason i am done with gear is the law...(big reason)

 

[H_T_]

i quit 2 years ago. it took a while to get used to being off, but it's certainly attainable. if you're not afraid of hard work, you'll do just great.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I hear ya booey. I felt like crap after my last test cycle also. I was running 750 a week in test plus another 400 in eq. I remember someone on here (docjmw) told me in a pm never to take dosages over 750 total. He told me that if I kept under 1g per week, ran for short amounts (under 10 weeks), I wouldn't be abusing my body. I took that into consideration. The first cycle I ran was eq/winny and at a total of 750. It was the best cycle and even pct was great. This past cycle test/eq wasn't that great because of the come down, etc. Hell, I felt better once it was out of my system. Through that result, I won't run high doses anymore. Maybe you have burned yourself out for the time being. Maybe your body is telling you to take a break. It's good that you are listening to it. Most of you have heard me say that I too do not want to get huge either, but just keep a nice healthy physique. low dosages will give me that plus good hard training.. Take care and good luck bro.

I have done the same thing, felt the same way. BTW, that guy was a dentist ...but anyway. I ran 750T along with Tren/EQ last cycle...was not that good. Felt like crap ALOT of the time. Did not get what I wanted, definitely am glad to be taking some time off right now. My body needs it for real. Can only imagine what's goin on inside. I'm with Term tho, stick with low level maintenance doses that give you that umpff to get you a little leaner and stronger

 

[BOOEY]

Thanks bros. I definitely gave it a lot of thought ... weighed both sides and it just seems that my life will be a lot better without juice. Another thing I forgot to mention is, whenever I was on cycle I NEVER went out with my friends at night. I always made excuses to get out of it, b/c a) I didn't want to be tempted to drink while on, and b) I didn't want alcohol or sleeping late to effect my training. I actually lost a few friends b/c they thought I was just being a dick.

Anyway, I'll never give up lifting. It will always play a huge part in my life. I think having a good physique is very important - only now, I don't care about freakish size anymore. I want to be big enough where I can still run a decent mile. Thanks again bros.

 

[Juice Authority]

I'm done with juice. The more cycles I do, the more negatives I see and less and less positives. For instance with each cycle, I get increasingly more and more acne, more body hair (disgusting), on edge seemingly all the time, lazy and tired, and intolerable back pains. And who knows what's going on inside my body. I remember my first cycle - perfect! No sides whatsoever, and ~15lbs of LBM off of just 500mg of Test. I remember the feeling of being on for the first time - incredible. I wanted it to last forever.

But those days are long over. I'm not going to jeopordize my health by running 2g of test just to be able to gain 10lbs. My last bulker, I ran 900mg of test w/ 50mg D-bol, and after I came off, I kept only 12 lbs LBM (lost a shit load of water, and gained some fat). And coming off is the worst feeling in the world. You lose strength and weight. Even if your PCT is perfect, you're going to lose something. And it gets into your head. You start thinking about who quickly you need to get back on in order to save yourself from losing anymore. For me, it's a never-ending circle.

My priorities have changed. I no longer want to be the biggest and the strongest in the gym. I want to be healthy and have a strong phsyique, but not one like Ronnie Coleman. I'm not in a rush anymore to get the physique I want, which is not too far down the road if I stay consistent - I'm willing to wait the extra couple of years. Juice seems to be just a short-cut, with a bunch of extra shit you need to deal with, like aggression, laziness, and acne. I was so much more athletic and energetic when I was @ 200lbs than I am @ 230lbs. Even when off, I just wanted to sleep all day and do nothing. Our bodies are not meant to be carrying around all this extra weight, be it fat OR muscle. Now that I've cut down on the weight, I'm so much more active, it's insane. I don't see myself ever going above, at the most, 215lbs again. It's simply not worth it. I can look just as good @ 200lbs.

This has been something I've been thinking about for a while. I don't look down on anyone for juicing. I think if you can handle it, and you don't see too many sides, go for it. If your priority is in the gym, go for it. But for me, I can't keep up with it any longer. I need to start paying more attention to other priorities.

So that's it for me, I'll be in the Weight Training Board, but no longer in the Anabolics. Good luck to all the good bros in here.

I've heard this before.

 

[BOOEY]

I've heard this before.

Yeah, I know. But this has been something I've been contemplating for a while. I'm 100% behind this. Anyway, I'll pop my head in the Anabolics forum every now and again just to see what's up, but I'll leave the advice for those that still use.

 

[sandman_007]

Thanks bros. I definitely gave it a lot of thought ... weighed both sides and it just seems that my life will be a lot better without juice. Another thing I forgot to mention is, whenever I was on cycle I NEVER went out with my friends at night. I always made excuses to get out of it, b/c a) I didn't want to be tempted to drink while on, and b) I didn't want alcohol or sleeping late to effect my training. I actually lost a few friends b/c they thought I was just being a dick.

Anyway, I'll never give up lifting. It will always play a huge part in my life. I think having a good physique is very important - only now, I don't care about freakish size anymore. I want to be big enough where I can still run a decent mile. Thanks again bros.

that's always been the case with me bro- i never drink at all, and i almost never go out late because i need sleep so i can have all the energy for my next workout. if i was like most people i would not get enough sleep. any less than 9 hours, and my workouts suffer and i have limited, or no motivation to workout that day. it's very obsessive, to a point, yes.

 

[LVTitan]

yes seems to come in waves.. wish ya the best booey, but somehow it's hard to resist the dark side of the force.

 

[chyllaxyn]

yes seems to come in waves.. wish ya the best booey, but somehow it's hard to resist the dark side of the force.

LOL, yea the dark side is a bitch ain't she ///

 

[Dieselgoku23]

Well I have trained pretty much naturall all my life and is not that bad I got strong and thick being natural got up to 235lbs about 13% body fat did my first cycle went up to 254lbs I think to reach my goals I only have about 2 to 3 cycles in me and thats it. But I think you just need a break and your body will tell you when your ready again or when your benching 315 and you cant play with it anymore lol, but good luck bro takes a man to say the truth!!