"Ghetto" workout?

[jeze]

Okay,

We are all aware that working out while having a decents nights sleep, having a decent diet and taking the correct vitamins should guarantee success with building muscle. More or less...

What about people who are located in areas where they can't afford the 100's of grams of protein and vitamins yet alone a gym membership but they are still as bulky and jacked as most of you. Maybe more bulk than definition.

The question is, what the hell are they doing? I have a friend who says that he just works out randomly throughout the day but i just do not think that this would do much but he's huge.

 

[Dieharder]

they probably eat food and lift weights

 

[Hillsidenatiboy]

They eat food and lift weights all day...and I mean all day...I have never seen none that impressives lets use an example 50 cents is big for a "ghetto" lifter. Now LL is in way better shape. Im in better shape then 50 and live I guess in the "ghetto" and they call me a monster but then when I come on here and look at guys like Flex Wheeler, or alot of the other posters on this site Im little. Plus also alot of those guys were in jail and thats all they could do...SO IMO there is no reason for a member of the military or a prisoner to be out of shape.

 

[plrpower]

i do wonder the same as jeze. When I was in high school there were a few black kids that knew nothing about eating right , drank and smoked weed. This is not a attack on black people. But these guys were jacked like 5'11 200 at least and like 17 years old. I can see were they are small compaired to Flex but some have a hard time getting as big as these guys eating right and lifting for years.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Black people have better genetics. Luck of the draw, nigga. Oops, I mean, cracka. Lower bodyfats and the ability to add muscle usually comes easier with black people.

 

[jeze]

That may be true, I guess thats why i'm built like I am

Before this thread carrys on, just wanted to say that I am trying to use the word "ghetto" without sounding like a stuck up bastard.

Anyway,

there is no reason for a member of the military or a prisoner to be out of shape.

So if all you did was workout theoretically, you should get bigger but not as big as if you were to have a proper diet etc.

I have always been under the impresison that if you eat crap all day but worked out alot, you would not build muscle.

 

[Tagio]

i don't buy the 'black people have better genetics' thing until i see some studies or something. there certainly are a huge number of black people with awesome physiques. maybe their bodyfat is a bit lower on average, and maybe it's just having dark skin which creates the illusion. from what i see at school, black people come in the same varieties as white - chubby, big and bulky but no definition, skinny but ripped, and the odd guy in great shape. plenty of soft, skinny kids black AND white doing quarter squats in the rack tryin to build their 18" vert. And sure you see a million ripped black guys at a 100M sprint even. But you see a million equally ripped white and asian guys at a gymnastics event (or 77kilo weightlifting comp).

like i said, i'll believe it when i see a study.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

as far as the genetics thing, im not sure i buy into that. now, i could go on to speak of how the african race was brought over here on a selective basis, and the bigger, stronger men were used as 'studs' so that all the babies would be big and strong for work. however, there has been influx from other darker races and mixing of genes since slavery in the U.S. so maybe a few people have superior genes, but not a race in general.

as far as what kind of ripped people you see in sports, there seems to be a decided skew in race participation in running, basketball, gymnastics, tennis, water polo, etc... i think that boils down to economics. how much does it cost to be on the high school track team? a pair of shoes- $100 for nicer ones. how much does it cost to be on a water polo team? you better be going to a ritzy private school to even see a team- $15,000 per semester (high school). gymnastics? a few hundred a month, plus comp costs. im not going to go into the economics, but there is not an even distibution of wealth between races in any country.

 

[jeze]

from what i see at school, black people come in the same varieties as white - chubby, big and bulky but no definition, skinny but ripped, and the odd guy in great shape. plenty of soft, skinny kids black AND white doing quarter squats in the rack tryin to build their 18" vert.

TRUE

 

[Lazar]

I don't think that any study is needed, like sagio stated, to prove that in fact black people are gifted with better genetics. All you have to do is look at the results. White man has never been able to break 10 seconds in 100m dash. Long jump records are also out of reach for a white man, and lets not talk about nfl and nba. Theory about selection of the strongest dating back to slavery is also wrong, as there are many 100m sprinters from Nigeria that broke 10 seconds. I once read this really interesting article online about black athletes and why they are so succesful. It said that on average blacks do in fact have lower body fat, better ratio of FT muscle fibers, and also that blacks on average can have upto 16% higher testastarone levels. I am not saying every black athlete is superior to a white one, but on average the differences are obvius.

 

[Tagio]

actually I was saying i WOULD like to see a study

you're right, lots of sports are dominated by black people, but that alone doesn't really prove anything because there are so many other factors. if black people dominate the NFL, why don't they dominate the olympic weightlifting world championships in the 85-105 classes? (black people are rare in these classes) If they have higher test and lower bodyfat it should be a breeze right? the answer probably has a lot to do with cultural/social conditions that affect who gets involved with which sport like johnrobholmes said.

I'm not saying there aren't physical differences between races, I bet there are. But I dont think you can decide what they are just from looking at who's dominating which sport.

 

[gjohnson5]

Okay,

We are all aware that working out while having a decents nights sleep, having a decent diet and taking the correct vitamins should guarantee success with building muscle. More or less...

What about people who are located in areas where they can't afford the 100's of grams of protein and vitamins yet alone a gym membership but they are still as bulky and jacked as most of you. Maybe more bulk than definition.

The question is, what the hell are they doing? I have a friend who says that he just works out randomly throughout the day but i just do not think that this would do much but he's huge.

How much more evidence do you need?

http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/Daily_Express_9_8_2000.htm

http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/JT_NaturalSelections.htm

http://www.newstatesman.com/site.ph...ection:+Front+Page&newDisplayURN=200009180009

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0056.htm

http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

 

[Tagio]

interesting articles. looks like all the research is pretty simplistic at this point in time. I'm still a little wary of the 'no white man has ever run under 10 seconds on the 100' argument, because like i said before, you almost never see a black man on the podium for a gymnastics all-around or a weightlifting total - both explosive sports. has a black man ever won an olympic gymnastics medal?

maybe the narrower hips theory explains this - certain blacks are better suited to fast running because of narrow hips/high center of gravity but the less speedy whites can exert/absorb more force on/from a barbell and have an easier time maintaining balance when tumbling. basically i think we dont know nearly enough to draw solid conclusions yet.

liked this quote "It is true that athletes of West African descent living in North America, western Europe and the Caribbean dominate many sports. But contemporary West Africans do not. This is the opposite of what one should expect if athletic ability were predominantly determined by genetics.

In the United States, considerable intermixing between black and white has meant that the African American population embodies, on average, roughly 30 per cent of genes from populations of European descent. Hence, African Americans should be poorer athletes than West Africans. The reverse is true."

i'm sure eventually better and more thorough research will be done and will determine what the differnces are much more precisely.

 

[gjohnson5]

interesting articles. looks like all the research is pretty simplistic at this point in time. I'm still a little wary of the 'no white man has ever run under 10 seconds on the 100' argument, because like i said before, you almost never see a black man on the podium for a gymnastics all-around or a weightlifting total - both explosive sports. has a black man ever won an olympic gymnastics medal?

maybe the narrower hips theory explains this - certain blacks are better suited to fast running because of narrow hips/high center of gravity but the less speedy whites can exert/absorb more force on/from a barbell and have an easier time maintaining balance when tumbling. basically i think we dont know nearly enough to draw solid conclusions yet.

liked this quote "It is true that athletes of West African descent living in North America, western Europe and the Caribbean dominate many sports. But contemporary West Africans do not. This is the opposite of what one should expect if athletic ability were predominantly determined by genetics.

In the United States, considerable intermixing between black and white has meant that the African American population embodies, on average, roughly 30 per cent of genes from populations of European descent. Hence, African Americans should be poorer athletes than West Africans. The reverse is true."

i'm sure eventually better and more thorough research will be done and will determine what the differnces are much more precisely.

let me explain some things . Gymnastics has alot of technique involved. Sprinting has very little technique. There is some dealing with running on the balls of your feet and kicking, but the main premise in sprinting is POWER! Those who posess more explosive POWER run faster. The strongest guy doens't always with the rings. The biggest guy will probably never win the pommel horse. Don't confuse gymnastics with something as simplistic as running.

As far as West African / African American decent issue goes. I can only speak for myself as you cannot count out the specifics of indivuduality in this issue. Many Afriican Americans have very little to no European genes in them. My particular family has been living pretty much in the same area of Savannah, GA since slavery. We do have some race mixing going on , but that was with Cherokee Indians and not Europeans... You would have to take guys who domainate thier particular sports and look up thier genealogy, starting from when their family was sold as slaves, to really know. There are places in New Orleans for instance that have this information.

1. Shaq Fu
2. Michael Jordan
90% of all great basketball players are African Decent
3. Barry Bonds
4. Sammy Sosa
5. Marshall Falk
6. Ray Lewis
7. Deion Sanders
atleat 60% of all great football players are of African Decent
8. Marion Jones
9. Carl Lewis
10. Edwin Moses
almost all great track athletes are of African Decent

Are you are starting to notice something here... People of African Decent primarily choose to play particular sports and those particular sports all have some sort of prolonged running and jumping and therefore require explosive POWER. So Gymnastics , Hockey and Golf (despite Tiger Woods) are out

There is also the social factor. The ports that Africans decented people get into are all money sports. People do what will pay them. People are brought up from day one with a specific goal in mind and in black communites, being the best and most dominant athlete is big amongst grade school kids. If you weren't high on the scale in your community , they you probably got beat up and lunch money took That's just the way shit is, so people were broght up to fight and compete so there is a mental aspect there of being the best

 

[Lililston]

hmm... Black people have "more testosterone than whites", does this mean black guys are manlier than white dudes?? j/p

 

[gjohnson5]

hmm... Black people have "more testosterone than whites", does this mean black guys are manlier than white dudes?? j/p

In most cases, yes. I would say black dudes are more agressive and confrontational then white dudes.

In terms of say body hair, no negroids are generally hairles just like mongoloids. But there are lots of exceptions to this in negroids

 

[JKurz1]

WHy all the racial slurs??? What's going on here????

 

[TheOak84]

WHy all the racial slurs??? What's going on here????

dude, talkin about another race doesnt mean its a slur. i said cracka, black people call me cracka all the time in my school.. i dont shoot them.. but if i say nigger ill get my ass kicked.. also, wehats the diff between nigga and niggER?

u can say nigga on com central but not nigger.. this contry is fucked up, the funny thing is im italian/ am indian. not 'white' but according to them i am..

what morons

 

[casualbb]

In most cases, yes. I would say black dudes are more agressive and confrontational then white dudes.

I think that's cultural a lot though

I know plenty of ornery-ass white dudes

 

[TheOak84]

I think that's cultural a lot though

I know plenty of ornery-ass white dudes

i think it just depends on how pissed off the person has been and how hard his life is. were are 'primal' also, too bad we have to control that

 

[jeze]

In most cases, yes. I would say black dudes are more agressive and confrontational then white dudes.

I must say thats quite ignorant. Thats like saying white folks can't jump or dance. Thats not true and is not standard for the race.

As with negroid, WTF is that, did u just make that up or something?

 

[gjohnson5]

I must say thats quite ignorant. Thats like saying white folks can't jump or dance. Thats not true and is not standard for the race.

As with negroid, WTF is that, did u just make that up or something?

I was deciding wheather or not to argue this , but it seem that I have to become agressive myself now. Being mostly black and living in black neighborhoods I can attest from personal experience that young black males and females ARE infact confrontational and agressive. Older black people will become controntation upon being agitated. There's nothing ignorant about that. If you lived in an areas where your agressiveness may spell life or death , then you would have to rise up to the occasion as well.

Also it appears that you are the ignorant one as you do not know the three species of homo sapiens. Maybe you should read up before commenting.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/soc/355lect02.htm

 

[gjohnson5]

I was deciding wheather or not to argue this , but it seem that I have to become agressive myself now. Being mostly black and living in black neighborhoods I can attest from personal experience that young black males and females ARE infact confrontational and agressive. Older black people will become controntation upon being agitated. There's nothing ignorant about that. If you lived in an areas where your agressiveness may spell life or death , then you would have to rise up to the occasion as well.

Also it appears that you are the ignorant one as you do not know the three species of homo sapiens. Maybe you should read up before commenting.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/soc/355lect02.htm

That first link is a bad link. It talks about race in a sociological sense. I don't care how society views people's skin color. In terms of scientific physical anthropology this is more explanatory.

http://www.fsark.com/Multicultural/race.html

And Actually I found this link that talks about the begining of mankind starting out as negroids. I have been looking for such a document for a long time. But all this "original man" stuff doesn't really matter in 2004

http://clcpages.clcillinois.edu/home/soc460/KEMET1.HTM

 

[jeze]

I'm not ignorant. Actually I said "As with negroid, WTF is that, did u just make that up or something?" jokingly because I really did not know anything about that word but obviously typing lacks emotions.

With the aggressiveness, I guess you do have a point, but I would think this would depend on social class to some extent.

 

[gjohnson5]

I'm not ignorant. Actually I said "As with negroid, WTF is that, did u just make that up or something?" jokingly because I really did not know anything about that word but obviously typing lacks emotions.

With the aggressiveness, I guess you do have a point, but I would think this would depend on social class to some extent.

But you understand where I come from right? There is a whole science devoted to the difference in black , white and asian, and the evolution of man. And this is anthropology.

As far as young black people being agressive , unfortunately I bet I could pull up incarceration statistics and it would (with biases of course) prove my point but in this case where ther's smoke there's fire. We do react instead of thinking. We do jump to conclusions instead of analyzing. So we have music groups like "sounds of blackness" devoted to sending the message of "keep your head up" to our people because I think to a certain extent we have lost focus on what is really important... And as KRS1 said to "control a positive destiny"

 

[YoungBeast]

i do wonder the same as jeze. When I was in high school there were a few black kids that knew nothing about eating right , drank and smoked weed. This is not a attack on black people. But these guys were jacked like 5'11 200 at least and like 17 years old. I can see were they are small compaired to Flex but some have a hard time getting as big as these guys eating right and lifting for years.

No offense taken. My brother is 1 year younger than me but bigger(i still can kick his ass) but he works out by doing those body only excercise. Here all I knew was push ups, lifting dumbells, and sit ups and thats the same what my brother knows so we did that. Until I came on this site and learned so much. Basically they workout alot because here, besides smoking, drinking, and fucking the only thing left to do is lift.

 

[Tagio]

gjohnson, i take your point, and it's quite possible that a certain genetic line has better explosive capabilities, but like i said i think there are other factors to consider like cultural stuff. until more thorough research is done into this stuff it's really hard to be SURE why blacks or whites dominate a certain sport.

Gymnastics isn't a purely explosive sport, ok. But I don't say 'HEY ONLY WHITES AND ASIANS GET MEDALS. BLACK PEOPLE JUST AREN'T THAT COORDINATED.' There are alternate explanations (societal, cultural) and I can't tell which one is the RIGHT one just by guessing.

Also oly weightlifting IS an explosive sport with not much technique and all the greats are white, arabic, asian, etc, not black. I don't say 'WHITE PEOPLE ARE STRONGER' because there are too many alternate explanations that i can't rule out. get what i'm saying? maybe white/asian people ARE better gymnasts, maybe black people ARE better sprinters/football players, but I'm just saying there's not really a way to be SURE about it currently though you can make conjectures.

 

[gjohnson5]

Gymnastics isn't a purely explosive sport, ok. But I don't say 'HEY ONLY WHITES AND ASIANS GET MEDALS. BLACK PEOPLE JUST AREN'T THAT COORDINATED.' There are alternate explanations (societal, cultural) and I can't tell which one is the RIGHT one just by guessing.

Also oly weightlifting IS an explosive sport with not much technique and all the greats are white, arabic, asian, etc, not black. I don't say 'WHITE PEOPLE ARE STRONGER' because there are too many alternate explanations that i can't rule out. get what i'm saying? maybe white/asian people ARE better gymnasts, maybe black people ARE better sprinters/football players, but I'm just saying there's not really a way to be SURE about it currently though you can make conjectures.

You skipped the part I wrote about dealing with money, which is definitly a social issue. If people were getting shoe and clothes endorsements in gymnastics or weightlifing , I guarantee you more black folk would get into it.

A sport like gymastics also requires a person to spend tons of money in training at a specialized school. Most black folk in America cannot afford such training. Football , Basketball , Baseball, Track only require you to go to public school/college . The school provides all equipment and training. Therefore there really isn't a big enough cross section of the black community in these sports , then it's a bad comaprison. In order to do any population studies , you need a certain percentage of the population involved. This is just standard statistics.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the black guys are more agressive than white guys thing. I grew up in the so called ghetto, or at least the lowest income predominantly black neighborhood in my city. What I learned is that alot of black guys "ACT" more agressive to impress and intimidate others. This is a fact. I know alot of white guys that do not act tough or agressive that could whoop the living criznap outta most agressive type black guys. It's mostly an act. Just like I see these wanna-be tough guy brothas walking along in a NICE neighborhood all ghetto'd up from the feet up, yet their parents make $80,000+ and they did not grow up in the quote unquote ghett0. For most, it's all an ACT. The real tough guys are the guys that keep to themselves or remain calm in tense situations. Those are the guys you gotta watch out for. I know, I was one of the few white guys that got left alone for the most part because I backed my shit up and didn't act all hard or go looking for trouble, but I got respect because people knew that I was so-called tough and or agressive if you fucked with me and still am. I'm not hating on the bro's either because most of my friends were black or african-american, whatever. I had buddies that acted hella hard all the time and were tough, but once you got to know them they weren't really more agressive than others, they just put on the act so they didn't appear weak and wouldn't get messed with. Actions speak louder than words. BIG talkers are usually weak hearted/willed. Walk softly and carry a BIG fuckin BOOM-stick.

 

[gjohnson5]

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the black guys are more agressive than white guys thing. I grew up in the so called ghetto, or at least the lowest income predominantly black neighborhood in my city. What I learned is that alot of black guys "ACT" more agressive to impress and intimidate others. This is a fact. I know alot of white guys that do not act tough or agressive that could whoop the living criznap outta most agressive type black guys. It's mostly an act.

I'm trying to find a way to say this without sounding too racist...
You are from Western Washington.... Washington State or Washington DC?? I doubt seriously if you mean DC.

Back home (Savannah, GA) white cops don't even drive through my neighborhood... Everyone is pretty much related to me and we pretty much take care of business ourselves.

And it was the same way in New Orleans as well.. No disresperct but I didn't see any white guys getting props in St Bernard , Desire Housing Projects , or Old Algiers. These places are know for being especially violent and have histories.

http://www.gnocdc.org/orleans/7/16/snapshot.html

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-02-10/news_feat.html

This might be myth where you're from , but where I'm from people become statistics really quick... To the point where the mayor is practically begging for help and the City has become #1 in murder ... again. It's no myth.

 

[KingofMinot]

I stay in Cincinnati not known as a rough city but the cops dont bother coming thru here and when they do they bring swat for added protection...Damn I need to move.

 

[gjohnson5]

Hell If white dudes punk out brothas in Western Washington and brothas are a bunch of Steve Urkel's making $80k a year , I need to move too. Western Washington has no real brothas up there aparantly, and I don't make 80k either...

 

[crew9]

Also oly weightlifting IS an explosive sport with not much technique and all the greats are white, arabic, asian, etc, not black. I don't say 'WHITE PEOPLE ARE STRONGER' because there are too many alternate explanations that i can't rule out. get what i'm saying? maybe white/asian people ARE better gymnasts, maybe black people ARE better sprinters/football players, but I'm just saying there's not really a way to be SURE about it currently though you can make conjectures.

Where on Earth did you get that oly lifting is "not much technique"! Oly lifting is ridiculously technical. If it was so simple powerlifters could simply come in and destroy the olympics because they have a lot of strength and power.

 

[Dieharder]

i really wish this thread would die it has nothing to do with training anymore. bottom line work with what you have who gives a fuck how or why other people are stronger look better etc.

 

[gjohnson5]

i really wish this thread would die it has nothing to do with training anymore. bottom line work with what you have who gives a fuck how or why other people are stronger look better etc.

The tread is social in nature , therefore social issues were addressed

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Dude, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. I never said white guys punking out brothas was the standard where I live. I don't even live in my old neighborhood anymore. Besides, it's not where you're from it's how you come. That applies to race too. I lived in Decatur, Georgia for a little over a year and I had NO problems with black guys and I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. And don't even try to say Savannha is more ghetto than Decatur. There is crime every where you go. On my old street in 4 years 7 people where shot dead. Many, many more have been shot or stabbed, but not fatally. I have been jumped by 5 fuckin UBN samoans at once. I almost got jumped by like 20 of the craziest little asian bangers you'd ever want to mess with. Ya, you don't see many white guys gettin props because there probably aren't many white guys comparatively speaking growing up in your neighborhood. And the ones that do either keep their nose clean or get bitch, or get tough. My bro hightower( a solid 6'3" white guy) had respect from anyone I ever saw that met or new him. He grew up in a nice neighborhood as a kid, but moved to a bad neighborhood as a young teen. The guy was super cool, but crazy too. He minded his own, but you crossed him and it was your "MISTAKE". As for black people being more confrontational, well what do you expect? That has ALOT to do with environment and upbringing, not race. Typically, predominantly black neighborhoods are lower income. Less educated, less money. Not the best environment for raising well mannered, socially stable productive citizens now is it? Crime rate is higher. Death rate is higher. I do believe that it is rather obvious that physically, black people are genetically superior for certain forms of physical exercise. Do to prominent glutes generally, strong hamstrings and short calf muscles with long tendons, black people are typically capable of running faster and jumping higher than white people, or any other "people". Black people generally have lower bodyfat. Black people are generally darker than all other people. This makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint when you consider that carrying excess adipose tissue in the torso is bad for the body in high heat conditions like africa as it makes it harder for the body to regulate it's temperature. So it makes sense that structurally the best place for the bodyfat to go is the glutes, which is why black guys generally have larger/more muscular glutes at least initially than other races and why black girls have juicy booties. Seeing as how african people at least initially were primarily hunters and gatherers, it makes sense to be able to run fast and for long distances, hence the structurak adaptations over time. It also makes sense to have dark skin to protect yoursefl from the suns rays and keep yourself cooler. The exact opposites are true for white people. Generally, most so-called white people lived in more temperate climates and did not need to carry a low set bodyfat. Also, muscular glutes and short calves were not as necessary. Generally, considering that climactic conditions were colder, white people needed higher bodyfat and needed it distributed more evenly over the torso. Also, since it wasn't as hot and sunny all the time, developing dark skin was not necessary for survival and good health. This is all very general. Fascinating actually.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Crew9, powerlifters have a lot of strength. I don't know so much about power, though. That, coupled with technique is really why they're not olympic lifters. No RFD.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

That was a really good post, by the by, GSM.

 

[crew9]

Crew9, powerlifters have a lot of strength. I don't know so much about power, though. That, coupled with technique is really why they're not olympic lifters. No RFD.

I know thats my point , though they are very powerful, Dynamic effort

 

[jeze]

I understand everyones point of view and find everyones comments interesting. Back on topic, Lifting all day/all the time because of nothing else to do. So thats how those guys get so big.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Not every black guy you see walking around in the ghetto is bulging, Take a close look and you'll realize it's a small percentage of them that are actually impressive looking. Sure you may see alot of solid guys, but the ones that look like bodybuilders aren't standing around on every corner on every street.

 

[gjohnson5]

Dude, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. I never said white guys punking out brothas was the standard where I live. I don't even live in my old neighborhood anymore. Besides, it's not where you're from it's how you come. That applies to race too. I lived in Decatur, Georgia for a little over a year and I had NO problems with black guys and I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. And don't even try to say Savannha is more ghetto than Decatur. There is crime every where you go. On my old street in 4 years 7 people where shot dead. Many, many more have been shot or stabbed, but not fatally. I have been jumped by 5 fuckin UBN samoans at once. I almost got jumped by like 20 of the craziest little asian bangers you'd ever want to mess with. Ya, you don't see many white guys gettin props because there probably aren't many white guys comparatively speaking growing up in your neighborhood. And the ones that do either keep their nose clean or get bitch, or get tough. My bro hightower( a solid 6'3" white guy) had respect from anyone I ever saw that met or new him. He grew up in a nice neighborhood as a kid, but moved to a bad neighborhood as a young teen. The guy was super cool, but crazy too. He minded his own, but you crossed him and it was your "MISTAKE". As for black people being more confrontational, well what do you expect? That has ALOT to do with environment and upbringing, not race. Typically, predominantly black neighborhoods are lower income. Less educated, less money. Not the best environment for raising well mannered, socially stable productive citizens now is it? Crime rate is higher. Death rate is higher. I do believe that it is rather obvious that physically, black people are genetically superior for certain forms of physical exercise. Do to prominent glutes generally, strong hamstrings and short calf muscles with long tendons, black people are typically capable of running faster and jumping higher than white people, or any other "people". Black people generally have lower bodyfat. Black people are generally darker than all other people. This makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint when you consider that carrying excess adipose tissue in the torso is bad for the body in high heat conditions like africa as it makes it harder for the body to regulate it's temperature. So it makes sense that structurally the best place for the bodyfat to go is the glutes, which is why black guys generally have larger/more muscular glutes at least initially than other races and why black girls have juicy booties. Seeing as how african people at least initially were primarily hunters and gatherers, it makes sense to be able to run fast and for long distances, hence the structurak adaptations over time. It also makes sense to have dark skin to protect yoursefl from the suns rays and keep yourself cooler. The exact opposites are true for white people. Generally, most so-called white people lived in more temperate climates and did not need to carry a low set bodyfat. Also, muscular glutes and short calves were not as necessary. Generally, considering that climactic conditions were colder, white people needed higher bodyfat and needed it distributed more evenly over the torso. Also, since it wasn't as hot and sunny all the time, developing dark skin was not necessary for survival and good health. This is all very general. Fascinating actually.

I've had to deal with a bunch of stupid crap for the last 2 days , but back to you ghetto white guy... Let's recap you very words in the post you made before this.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the black guys are more agressive than white guys thing. I grew up in the so called ghetto, or at least the lowest income predominantly black neighborhood in my city. What I learned is that alot of black guys "ACT" more agressive to impress and intimidate others. This is a fact. I know alot of white guys that do not act tough or agressive that could whoop the living criznap outta most agressive type black guys.

You said yourself that you do not live in the neighborhood you gre up in .. This means that you grew up in Washington and not Hotlanta, correct?
You say you know alot of white guys that can whoop the crap out of most "aggressive" black dudes. Who are these "white guys" and where did you know them? You most definitly seem to be insinuating that these "white guys" could punk out brothas anytime anywhere. Not that this is not possible , I just don't find it to be likely.

Let's analyze some more you your work shall we?

I lived in Decatur, Georgia for a little over a year and I had NO problems with black guys and I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. And don't even try to say Savannha is more ghetto than Decatur.

So you've only been living in Georgia for a year... So this means you don't know jack shit about Decatur , or Savannah, correct? I think so.

As far as the rest of your post , I won't complain about it. Yo useem to "have a clue"

 

[gjohnson5]

Not every black guy you see walking around in the ghetto is bulging, Take a close look and you'll realize it's a small percentage of them that are actually impressive looking. Sure you may see alot of solid guys, but the ones that look like bodybuilders aren't standing around on every corner on every street.

Would you happen to have percentages of mesomorph's in both races?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Do I know what Percentages of mesomorphs's are in both races? Hmm, um, no I don't. Do YOU? You obviously must not have too many white friends, and if you do, they certainly aren't tough from the way you seem to think lol. It seems you think most white guys must be passive little tards. Just cuz you grew up in Savannha doesn't mean a thing. I said it before, I'll say it again, it's how ya come, not where ya from. Ya, there are tougher neighborhoods than other's, but there are tough guys in all neighborhoods. I said I know white guys that can and will punk brotha's lol. I didn't say it's every other white guy walking around. As far as not knowing jack about Decatur? Ya, I only lived there a year, but that doesn't mean I didn't get around and to be perfectly honest, I was not intimidated by what I saw. Same thing in my neighborhoods only maybe not quite as run down and crappy, but still crappy. You seem to think that only the South can have ghetto's or something by the way you talk. As if Seattle isn't tough or something lol. Well I've met a few guys with that attitude that lost it real quick around here lol. I'm not saying it's as GHETTO as parts of savannha or Decatur because it's not, but it's pretty damn shitty in some neighborhoods I used to live in. Muggings, beatdowns, knife fights, drive-bys are common. I take it you've never lived in Washington, so I take it you don't know diddly about WAshington, whereas I know at least something about the ATL, Hmm? Am I right? As for the white guys I know? Hmm? Where do I start. I know several guys that I used to take brazilian jiu-jitsu with that would cause alot of trouble for ANYONE. MY brother was a Crip and has lived in the worst neighborhood in Seattle since he was a kid and he gets respect. Nobody messes with him. Not saying he's super tough, but he's earned some respect. My buddy hightower was a super cool, but an absolute fuckin psycho if you messed with him. I saw him punk out some hard lookin bro's. I had another buddy that I used to hang out with that I met at my last job. Guy was a super mesomorph. Looked like CAsey Viator physically, just as rugged, but more aesthetic. Natural fuggin powerhouse of muscle and strength and I saw him knock guys off their feet. Literally sent them air-born with one shot. One time he got in a fight with a guy at a frat party and several of the frat guys were big ass football players and 10+ guys jumped on my bro and beat the crap out of him, but the whole time they were beating him, he was on top of the guy that pissed him off beating him. That guy's face looked like hamburger after and my buddy was seriously bruised and bloodied, but he stood up when the frat guys let off because the cops came. The whole time they beat on him he never crumbled over and never stopped pounding the other guy. That's the kind of shit you see in movies man. Probably the toughest, pound for pound naturally strongest guy(he hadn't lifted weights in 3 years since highschool and I coaxed him into going into the gym, the guy full squatted 315 no-no-no style easily, pulled a semi-stiff legged deadlift 405lbs, and seated strict dumbell pressed a pair of 85's for 12 reps. None of these were max performances as he could have lifted more. For a well trained consistent lifter these lifts aren't anything special, but for a first workout in years, that's just plain WRONG lol. This was easy for him and having not trained in 3 years and weighing a rock solid 205lbs at 5'10" impressed me more than anything I have ever seen) I've ever met and he was white. He had 2 buddies that were just crazy man. Brothers that frickin would not back down to anyone. Again, straight outta the movies kinda shit with these 2. I seen 1 of them chase a guy through heavy traffic on foot with a basebal bat and proceed to wail on the guy in the middle of moving heavy traffic, with no regard for it whatsoever. MY dad is one seriously tough SOB. 6 foot, and wiry as hell. He's been in 60+ street fights and he only lost a couple of them. His buddy is even tougher than him and a similar build and about as fast as you can imagine. Even at near 50 I saw him throw about 15+ punches in a few seconds. The guy is a walking tornado. My dad vouches for the guy saying he's been in over a 150+ fights back in his hometown in eastern Washington. One damn near all of them and he wasn't fighting wusses. He always got in fights with guys as big or bigger than him that looked tough. One time my dad and him got in an argument and my dad said something to him that pissed him off and while my dad was staring him straight in the eye he caught my dad with a straight right that he didn't even see coming it was so fast and knocked him off his feet. Now my dad's very strong in a wiry way and fast, but this guy totally outclassed him and he knew it. No more power plays after that day between them. I've got many more stories, but you get the idea. I have nothing against black guys. I had more black friends then white friends in high school. Several of my black friends were tough as nails and
I could tell some similar stories about the crazy stuff they did too. I just have a problem with you seeming to think that black guys are tougher or more virile then white men. Obviously your attitude in this is heavily influenced by your upbringing and where you grew up.

 

[gjohnson5]

Do I know what Percentages of mesomorphs's are in both races? Hmm, um, no I don't. Do YOU? You obviously must not have too many white friends, and if you do, they certainly aren't tough from the way you seem to think lol.

I currently (and am going to change soon) live in the heart of Illinois, 90% of the population is white. And no I could pimp slap them all and make them like it....

It seems you think most white guys must be passive little tards. Just cuz you grew up in Savannha doesn't mean a thing.

If I knew more of them who were "kewl" then I wouldn't think the way I do. BTW I folks live in Savannah. I grew up in da Big Easy.

I said it before, I'll say it again, it's how ya come, not where ya from. Ya, there are tougher neighborhoods than other's, but there are tough guys in all neighborhoods. I said I know white guys that can and will punk brotha's lol. I didn't say it's every other white guy walking around. As far as not knowing jack about Decatur? Ya, I only lived there a year, but that doesn't mean I didn't get around and to be perfectly honest, I was not intimidated by what I saw. Same thing in my neighborhoods only maybe not quite as run down and crappy, but still crappy. You seem to think that only the South can have ghetto's or something by the way you talk.

I've seen some of the "ghettos" here in Illinois and they make me laugh. Chicago has some real black neighborhoods though!

As if Seattle isn't tough or something lol. Well I've met a few guys with that attitude that lost it real quick around here lol. I'm not saying it's as GHETTO as parts of savannha or Decatur because it's not, but it's pretty damn shitty in some neighborhoods I used to live in. Muggings, beatdowns, knife fights, drive-bys are common. I take it you've never lived in Washington, so I take it you don't know diddly about WAshington, whereas I know at least something about the ATL, Hmm? Am I right?

I've only worked trade shows up there. So I stay long enoguh to eat seafood... Don't consider me a novice about the ATL, as I have relatives that live there too.

As for the white guys I know? Hmm? Where do I start. I know several guys that I used to take brazilian jiu-jitsu with that would cause alot of trouble for ANYONE. MY brother was a Crip and has lived in the worst neighborhood in Seattle since he was a kid and he gets respect. Nobody messes with him. Not saying he's super tough, but he's earned some respect. My buddy hightower was a super cool, but an absolute fuckin psycho if you messed with him. I saw him punk out some hard lookin bro's. I had another buddy that I used to hang out with that I met at my last job. Guy was a super mesomorph. Looked like CAsey Viator physically, just as rugged, but more aesthetic. Natural fuggin powerhouse of muscle and strength and I saw him knock guys off their feet. Literally sent them air-born with one shot. One time he got in a fight with a guy at a frat party and several of the frat guys were big ass football players and 10+ guys jumped on my bro and beat the crap out of him, but the whole time they were beating him, he was on top of the guy that pissed him off beating him. That guy's face looked like hamburger after and my buddy was seriously bruised and bloodied, but he stood up when the frat guys let off because the cops came. The whole time they beat on him he never crumbled over and never stopped pounding the other guy. That's the kind of shit you see in movies man. Probably the toughest, pound for pound naturally strongest guy(he hadn't lifted weights in 3 years since highschool and I coaxed him into going into the gym, the guy full squatted 315 no-no-no style easily, pulled a semi-stiff legged deadlift 405lbs, and seated strict dumbell pressed a pair of 85's for 12 reps. None of these were max performances as he could have lifted more. For a well trained consistent lifter these lifts aren't anything special, but for a first workout in years, that's just plain WRONG lol.

Some people are out of the norm. I have some offshore fishin buddies ( I need to call them) One of them , Clint, got jumped and was hit in the head with a shovel. He went down but got back up and whopped the hell of all three of them. Some of those offfshore fishin guys in pensacola are pretty tough and they are all white. So I am jumping to conclusions some , but you have caught this already.

This was easy for him and having not trained in 3 years and weighing a rock solid 205lbs at 5'10" impressed me more than anything I have ever seen) I've ever met and he was white. He had 2 buddies that were just crazy man. Brothers that frickin would not back down to anyone. Again, straight outta the movies kinda shit with these 2. I seen 1 of them chase a guy through heavy traffic on foot with a basebal bat and proceed to wail on the guy in the middle of moving heavy traffic, with no regard for it whatsoever.

That's some New Orleans shit right there...

MY dad is one seriously tough SOB. 6 foot, and wiry as hell. He's been in 60+ street fights and he only lost a couple of them. His buddy is even tougher than him and a similar build and about as fast as you can imagine. Even at near 50 I saw him throw about 15+ punches in a few seconds. The guy is a walking tornado. My dad vouches for the guy saying he's been in over a 150+ fights back in his hometown in eastern Washington. One damn near all of them and he wasn't fighting wusses. He always got in fights with guys as big or bigger than him that looked tough. One time my dad and him got in an argument and my dad said something to him that pissed him off and while my dad was staring him straight in the eye he caught my dad with a straight right that he didn't even see coming it was so fast and knocked him off his feet. Now my dad's very strong in a wiry way and fast, but this guy totally outclassed him and he knew it. No more power plays after that day between them. I've got many more stories, but you get the idea. I have nothing against black guys. I had more black friends then white friends in high school. Several of my black friends were tough as nails and
I could tell some similar stories about the crazy stuff they did too. I just have a problem with you seeming to think that black guys are tougher or more virile then white men. Obviously your attitude in this is heavily influenced by your upbringing and where you grew up.

As I said, you "have a clue" These people you mention are out of the norm and yes most all white people I know/knew were not like this or my opinion would be different.

 

[SlavikHavik]

I think this takes it...
Black people might have more fast twitch.
But overall atheltics.

Who has won more decatholns in the last 10 years? blacks or whites.
There has been more whites winning decatholns. The world record is currently held by a white man from the czech republic. Infact i think the fact that theres been a negligble number of succsesful black atheletes in the decathlon would speak for itself if you were concerned about overall athletics. Especialyl given the number of black participants in the sport

Regardless, you want to talk about trends? Like that has anything to do with the way things actually are. I see alot of black people in jail too, does that make them naturally violent. I see alot of black peopled dropping out of school, and a society that didnt progress as fast as the west, mid east or oriental (really the rest of the planet) even though they were established there longer. Does that make them less intellegent? Ive also read studies that found blacks to be less intellegent.

Infact you could even guess that the inferior intellegence of blacks is why you dont see them in any really technique heavy sports like gymnastics.

OF course i really dont believe any of this
I believe there are more factors at play than genetic diposition among races.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

intellence tests are created by people. those people tend to test the knowledge that they know. harvard educated people will have a much different education that the average inner city person, be them of any race. they will have a radially different education than countries that arent "americanized" and "capitolized". people that score lower on IQ tests are not necessarily less intelligent, but are more often just educated differently than the test makers. if a person has never taken a standardized test, how are they going to know the tricks of taking them?

 

[SlavikHavik]

intellence tests are created by people. those people tend to test the knowledge that they know. harvard educated people will have a much different education that the average inner city person, be them of any race. they will have a radially different education than countries that arent "americanized" and "capitolized". people that score lower on IQ tests are not necessarily less intelligent, but are more often just educated differently than the test makers. if a person has never taken a standardized test, how are they going to know the tricks of taking them?

If you were taking tests from the 50's. What your saying was recognized thirty years ago and has since been adressed.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

If you were taking tests from the 50's. What your saying was recognized thirty years ago and has since been adressed.

geeze!! then i better not take an IQ test if im wrong about that!

 

[SlavikHavik]

Smart move

 

[Tweakle]

a smarter move would have been not clicking on this thread

the only conclusion I've come to is that people who don't work out usually look like crap, no matter what their skin color is.

 

[Treybor]

Okay this has gotten alittle ridiculous but let me start by saying alot of black people dominate some sports but they are not tougher and better then white people and other races at all sports or some sort of supreme athelete like is being stated here.

How is it that sports people are talking about like basketball and football have so many amazing black atheletes yet some 6 ft white Canadian dude can come in and win MVP 2 years in a row or how the super bowl couldn't of been won without peyton manning.

Theres also alot of discussion about agression and how white people are bitches which is a bunch of shit too look at the UFC this is as real as fighting gets and its dominated by white people and yes there is tons of good blacks too.

Dont know what im talking about? Heres some evidence.

Toughest Man in the world right now Fedor.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X8ZA5Wr8W7Q

Randoms

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SgucIvr1YYA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GVwXu_AapHk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OO6N8JoayPU

Again this isn't some sort of attack on the black man I just dont agree with these arguements cause they are innacurate or based on links to random internet sites. To each his own not everyone has the same genes or athletic ability.

 

[s8nlilhlpr2]

your responding to a post 3yrs old...good move...I'm sure everyone is still interested.

 

[deathdroprob]

I have read in net and magazine articles that black guys have better body building genetics, with muscle growth "noticibly" better. In saying that most black guys probabaly do have more test going for them, but living living in Australia no abo (aboriginal) has more muscle than any white guy. Most are unemployed bludging off the government and getting drunk on the doll day. Most I say but NOT all. And In living in Australia all us Aussies are hairy bastards, especially the ones with european decent, like me.Im part Maltese.My nana came over on the ships in the 40's along with alot of others and multiplied so much (gross). My Dad is the haireist guy I know (fucken Gorilla) and every abo is hung like a fly. NEVA UNDA ESTA-MET TE POWA OV TE i-TAL-ION, STAL-ION or any other euro trash look alike!

 

[silver_shadow]

damn this thread is old and ridiculously racist... just a pissing contest - we are stronger... no we are... our ghettos are more bad ass then yours.... no fucking way - our ghettos will whup your ghettos ass any given day!

lots of gas...

i agree with tweakle - guys who don't work out look like shit no matter where they are from, no matter what their skin colour. who cares whether community A is SUPPOSED to be stronger or more badass then community B or C or D. you don't benefit as an individual till you actually lift weights. you can't sit on your bum and say i'm black/white/polynesian so i'm stronger! anyway, all the racial stuff is mere conjecture and to be taken with a pinch of salt. plus most races are quite well mixed which negates these racial theories in the year 2k7.

now can we discuss training here instead of racial slurs please?

 

[BiggT]

What a fucktarded thread.

 

[dRu79]

They eat food and lift weights all day...and I mean all day...I have never seen none that impressives lets use an example 50 cents is big for a "ghetto" lifter. Now LL is in way better shape. Im in better shape then 50 and live I guess in the "ghetto" and they call me a monster but then when I come on here and look at guys like Flex Wheeler, or alot of the other posters on this site Im little. Plus also alot of those guys were in jail and thats all they could do...SO IMO there is no reason for a member of the military or a prisoner to be out of shape.

Ok, " they eat food and lift all day.... and i mean all day" Hmmm... IMO where does "OVERTRAINING" come into play. Do thier muscles actually recoup? IMO you get size and growth from recovery, not from "training all day, everyday".
dRu

 

[nodiggitydave]

i've read the all the posts and i've indeed become enlightened.

But surely some people are better at some things than others, that's just life isn't it? And who cares about race

 

[Papa Lion]

You say you know alot of white guys that can whoop the crap out of most "aggressive" black dudes. Who are these "white guys" and where did you know them? You most definitly seem to be insinuating that these "white guys" could punk out brothas anytime anywhere. Not that this is not possible , I just don't find it to be likely.


this is where I have to interject into a an absolutely ridiculous argument!!

first off show me some "brothas" that will stand on their own two feet and throw down!! an I'll buy you a bucket of fried chicken an a slice of watermelon!! btw this whole thread is exceedingly racist and highly ignorant... just thought I'd make a point!! no offense!! however as I've always seen the case that they prefer to fight in packs even when confronting only a single individual!! which to me isn't more aggressive... it merely shows a lack of inner fortitude!! and we've all seen the guys you know wouldn't stand on their own two feet but they are brave motherfuckers when they have their friends!! or a weapon!! and I've seen that more times than I could count!! and though I've also seen it alot with white guys!! but I've seen far more white guys stand on their own two feet toe to toe and throw!! same with alot of hawaiians actually!! seems to be a cultural thing!! cause asians really tend to like to group up an fight, same with mexicans!! I dunno what is the cause I just know when it comes to the fights I've witnessed with my own eyes... that tends to be the way it goes!!

secondly aggression has more to do with economy... than race!! ever heard of the: vikings, the huns, the mongols, and not to mention the nazis, the last one was just thrown in for fun!! but I would have to say that if you read up on the vikings you would see that they quite aggressive... but it was the way of the culture, it was highly respected to go raiding in the summers. and in raiding, I mean pillaging and killing and burning entire villages!!

aggression isn't a race thing it's about economy and culture!! I've coached HS wrestling for several years!! and I've had soft as lil kitten black kids and I've had pussy ass white kids!! the nature of the beast isn't determined by race!! I've also taught MMA and I've had some mexicans come in that could really throw hands but weren't good with anything else... do I think it's genetics? NO!! I think boxing plays a bigger cultural role than alot of other sports, they tend to like soccer too... is that because they are gentically prone to kicking a round object through a manicured field?? NO!! this entire argument on this thread is ridiculous!! and it all goes back to the endless "Nature vs. Nurture" argument!!

 

[solarclimax]

This thread should be closed and any further arguments moved to c&c.
If African's have on average more test than everyone else or whatever and it's been proven then ok. As for that making africans on average more manly, well that depends on your definition of what is manly. I don't know alot about african culture but from what i have seen and from what i have been told by people that come from Africa, it seems nature would require people from that part of the world to be strong and fast ect in order to eat and generally survive due to the nature of how hard life is over their. Whereas people from outher parts of the world might not have to try as hard or be as physically fit to catch their food and generally survive ect wich is why they havn't evolved to say produce lots of natty test.
1 thing i think i do know is that people evolve and if 1 set of people from 1 part of the world are bigger faster stronger ect than people from outher parts, then that's usually because they have evolved in that way because nature has required them to be like that in order to survive.
Just like the little kid at school who gets bullied all the time who has kids who also get bullied and so on will eventually evolve to find a way of stopping that from happening.
ie start knocking people the fuck out. Or getting smarter ect, whatever.

Personally i would give up alot of my muscle and strength in exchange for being smarter. And if anything makes anyone more manly, it's things like the ability to help those in need, the ability to make fair decisions that bennefit peoples lifes, the ability to solve the secrets of the universe and the ability to see right from wrong and so on. Lions and bears are bigger and stronger than i am but i could easilly outsmart them and even eat them for dinner if i wanted.

 

[Tweakle]

3 years on, still a terrible thread.

 

[ErikZ]

I think it is unfair to place all white-skinned races into one "WHITE Category"

Most successful powerlifters/weightlifters and athletes have been from the soviet bloc.

It is unfair to compare a siberian athlete to a french one... they are both white, yet very different.

 

[s8nlilhlpr2]

I think it is unfair to place all white-skinned races into one "WHITE Category"

Most successful powerlifters/weightlifters and athletes have been from the soviet bloc.

It is unfair to compare a siberian athlete to a french one... they are both white, yet very different.

agreed, french should be taken out of any "manly" race . Freakin' surrender monkeys!

 

[BiggT]

3 years on, still a terrible thread.

It is in a competition with a thread on the juice board from about 2002 that got bumped with a bunch of guys claiming world class raw lifts for LL Cool J and a few more giving 50 Cent the same biceps measurement as Dorian Yates in his prime.

A requirement for posting should be that you actually have to have at least lifted weights at some point in your life.

 

[heavy_duty]

diet and yes genes

but in the ghetto the homies you're talking about dont eat twinkies all day.
they eat a little bit of decent food. ie chicken and rice while the white kids eat anything and everything a lots of it then sit around watching Bugs Bunny or Fred Flintston while us black kids were told to get the hell out of the house...so all we did was play ball sports all day and in my case toss in street hockey.

Okay,

We are all aware that working out while having a decents nights sleep, having a decent diet and taking the correct vitamins should guarantee success with building muscle. More or less...

What about people who are located in areas where they can't afford the 100's of grams of protein and vitamins yet alone a gym membership but they are still as bulky and jacked as most of you. Maybe more bulk than definition.

 

[deathdroprob]

In Austrlai black guys fight in packs or with weapons. Everyone knows they cant fight but in my town Grafton, mess with a black guy and youll have the rest of Grafton onto you.
Last time a black won a fight was when an 18 y.o 6'3 lank beat up some chubby 14 y.o and stomped him while on the ground....tough man

 

[heavy_duty]

WE aint talking about fucking Australia LOL

 

[Protobuilder]

Anyone wishing to TRULY increase arm size must move to the nearest ghetto, visit Popeye's 2-3x/day, run from the PoPo 3x/wk (cardio), and drink malt liquor post-workout. Guaranteed jacked in 4 weeks flat.

 

[BiggT]

My buddy said he saw Vin Diesel deadlift 1100lbs at an L.A. Fitness, this is in excess of the world record, anybody know what his cycle looks like??

 

[Protobuilder]

What do you expect? He's got hybrid superhuman genetics combined from the best of Japan, Europe, and Africa.

 

[heavy_duty]

eat chicken & rice
drink a 40 of Colt 45
smoke herb and play ball all day.
then at night fuck fuck fuck white chicks.
and run from the POlice

Anyone wishing to TRULY increase arm size must move to the nearest ghetto, visit Popeye's 2-3x/day, run from the PoPo 3x/wk (cardio), and drink malt liquor post-workout. Guaranteed jacked in 4 weeks flat.

 

[mavssolaj]

this thread is dumb, all it is, is white vs black, genetics play a very small role, blacks play basketball and football because for the most part education is not present/held high but sports are, also those sports are relitivly cheap to play. black guys being more tough agressive is just stupid thats all upbringing and enviromnet. If that same "tough" guy grew up with white parents in the middle of the woods in Washington state then he would not act the same way.

 

[nodiggitydave]

you can't argue with science though. if it was actually black vs white then people would list what whites are genetically better at. people here are just stating the facts.

 

[silver_shadow]

where do us asians fit in?!

 

[jayinhongkong]

One reason you see a lot of diesel black guys is incarceration. If you look at the stats, a lot more young black men get locked up than kids from any other race. Jail's all about eating, doing pullups, dips and pushups (weights where they have 'em). I have some time under my belt, and in three states, the biggest guys were always African-American. IMO it is genetics, diet and cultural influences that come into play. I'm not proud of my past, but I sure put a lot of weight on. Went in as a lean biker @ 175 and came out at the strongest I've ever been at a chubby 230 in 6 months. How's that for weight gain? heh. The Feds feed you well. So do some county/state institutions. If you know people, you'll always get extra trays, and Fed institutions are all you can eat.

Interestingly, one of the biggest guys I ever saw while locked up was Pakistani. He was so big, they had to use leg shackles for his arms because his forearms were so thick.

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL @ the YG avatar.
I think most people here were hatin on him cause his was bigger at 19 they they were :LMAO:

He just thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bear and I could see how that got on peoples nevers

eat chicken & rice
drink a 40 of Colt 45
smoke herb and play ball all day.
then at night fuck fuck fuck white chicks.
and run from the POlice

 

[gjohnson5]

On a side note ghettostudmuffin proved he was pretty tough.
Kudos

Do I know what Percentages of mesomorphs's are in both races? Hmm, um, no I don't. Do YOU? You obviously must not have too many white friends, and if you do, they certainly aren't tough from the way you seem to think lol. It seems you think most white guys must be passive little tards. Just cuz you grew up in Savannha doesn't mean a thing. I said it before, I'll say it again, it's how ya come, not where ya from. Ya, there are tougher neighborhoods than other's, but there are tough guys in all neighborhoods. I said I know white guys that can and will punk brotha's lol. I didn't say it's every other white guy walking around. As far as not knowing jack about Decatur? Ya, I only lived there a year, but that doesn't mean I didn't get around and to be perfectly honest, I was not intimidated by what I saw. Same thing in my neighborhoods only maybe not quite as run down and crappy, but still crappy. You seem to think that only the South can have ghetto's or something by the way you talk. As if Seattle isn't tough or something lol. Well I've met a few guys with that attitude that lost it real quick around here lol. I'm not saying it's as GHETTO as parts of savannha or Decatur because it's not, but it's pretty damn shitty in some neighborhoods I used to live in. Muggings, beatdowns, knife fights, drive-bys are common. I take it you've never lived in Washington, so I take it you don't know diddly about WAshington, whereas I know at least something about the ATL, Hmm? Am I right? As for the white guys I know? Hmm? Where do I start. I know several guys that I used to take brazilian jiu-jitsu with that would cause alot of trouble for ANYONE. MY brother was a Crip and has lived in the worst neighborhood in Seattle since he was a kid and he gets respect. Nobody messes with him. Not saying he's super tough, but he's earned some respect. My buddy hightower was a super cool, but an absolute fuckin psycho if you messed with him. I saw him punk out some hard lookin bro's. I had another buddy that I used to hang out with that I met at my last job. Guy was a super mesomorph. Looked like CAsey Viator physically, just as rugged, but more aesthetic. Natural fuggin powerhouse of muscle and strength and I saw him knock guys off their feet. Literally sent them air-born with one shot. One time he got in a fight with a guy at a frat party and several of the frat guys were big ass football players and 10+ guys jumped on my bro and beat the crap out of him, but the whole time they were beating him, he was on top of the guy that pissed him off beating him. That guy's face looked like hamburger after and my buddy was seriously bruised and bloodied, but he stood up when the frat guys let off because the cops came. The whole time they beat on him he never crumbled over and never stopped pounding the other guy. That's the kind of shit you see in movies man. Probably the toughest, pound for pound naturally strongest guy(he hadn't lifted weights in 3 years since highschool and I coaxed him into going into the gym, the guy full squatted 315 no-no-no style easily, pulled a semi-stiff legged deadlift 405lbs, and seated strict dumbell pressed a pair of 85's for 12 reps. None of these were max performances as he could have lifted more. For a well trained consistent lifter these lifts aren't anything special, but for a first workout in years, that's just plain WRONG lol. This was easy for him and having not trained in 3 years and weighing a rock solid 205lbs at 5'10" impressed me more than anything I have ever seen) I've ever met and he was white. He had 2 buddies that were just crazy man. Brothers that frickin would not back down to anyone. Again, straight outta the movies kinda shit with these 2. I seen 1 of them chase a guy through heavy traffic on foot with a basebal bat and proceed to wail on the guy in the middle of moving heavy traffic, with no regard for it whatsoever. MY dad is one seriously tough SOB. 6 foot, and wiry as hell. He's been in 60+ street fights and he only lost a couple of them. His buddy is even tougher than him and a similar build and about as fast as you can imagine. Even at near 50 I saw him throw about 15+ punches in a few seconds. The guy is a walking tornado. My dad vouches for the guy saying he's been in over a 150+ fights back in his hometown in eastern Washington. One damn near all of them and he wasn't fighting wusses. He always got in fights with guys as big or bigger than him that looked tough. One time my dad and him got in an argument and my dad said something to him that pissed him off and while my dad was staring him straight in the eye he caught my dad with a straight right that he didn't even see coming it was so fast and knocked him off his feet. Now my dad's very strong in a wiry way and fast, but this guy totally outclassed him and he knew it. No more power plays after that day between them. I've got many more stories, but you get the idea. I have nothing against black guys. I had more black friends then white friends in high school. Several of my black friends were tough as nails and
I could tell some similar stories about the crazy stuff they did too. I just have a problem with you seeming to think that black guys are tougher or more virile then white men. Obviously your attitude in this is heavily influenced by your upbringing and where you grew up.