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olly_whinnett
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I am an insomniac and as sleeping is crucial to post-workout recovery I would like to do something about it. Are there any effective supplements/drugs that I can use for bodybuilding purposes?
Will melatonin work? Or should I try and get hold of some benzodiazepenes? (I think these can be addictive in the long term though). Should I stick to using GHB?
I would like a long term solution to the problem - I have tried everything and have even been to the doctor to no avail.
Moderators - feel free to edit this if it's innapropriate:
Btw, I've decided that GHB might be shit - it raises cortisol levels by 67%. I'm not sure if taking an anti cortisol supplement like cytadren or phosphatidylerine would conteract this effect. Also, apparently there are anti-prolactin supplements available (prolactin disables the muscle-building/anticatabolic/fatloss effects of growth hormone). So would taking a combination of these supplements preventing the drug from being catabolic or even make it anabolic? (I really NEED to continue taking GHB, as it is literally saving both my physique and my social life!)
Will melatonin work? Or should I try and get hold of some benzodiazepenes? (I think these can be addictive in the long term though). Should I stick to using GHB?
I would like a long term solution to the problem - I have tried everything and have even been to the doctor to no avail.
Moderators - feel free to edit this if it's innapropriate:
Btw, I've decided that GHB might be shit - it raises cortisol levels by 67%. I'm not sure if taking an anti cortisol supplement like cytadren or phosphatidylerine would conteract this effect. Also, apparently there are anti-prolactin supplements available (prolactin disables the muscle-building/anticatabolic/fatloss effects of growth hormone). So would taking a combination of these supplements preventing the drug from being catabolic or even make it anabolic? (I really NEED to continue taking GHB, as it is literally saving both my physique and my social life!)
problem is with most sleep adds is you don't get a full nights rest. Seems like I sleep longer, but wake up just about if not more tired and drousy. GHB I have used recreationally and I think as a sleep aid you can find better and less incriminating solutions.
KINGKONG69
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I use melatonin, along with valerian root sometimes. they wont knock your ass out like some drugs will, but you wont become addicted either.
ive used GHB, and valium, and xanax. but i went down hill from there, started takin them to sleep, then relax, then to party, and then before work, and at work, and after. i started drinkin heavily, and everything. it was hard to quit, very hard, but ive cut them all out, beer and all. bodybuildin/powerlifting has saved me.
anyways, point is, stay away, that shit is addictive, and yeah, some can control it, but its so easy to loose control.
for sleep, stick to somethin mild, and non addictive.
ive used GHB, and valium, and xanax. but i went down hill from there, started takin them to sleep, then relax, then to party, and then before work, and at work, and after. i started drinkin heavily, and everything. it was hard to quit, very hard, but ive cut them all out, beer and all. bodybuildin/powerlifting has saved me.
anyways, point is, stay away, that shit is addictive, and yeah, some can control it, but its so easy to loose control.
for sleep, stick to somethin mild, and non addictive.
THeMaCHinE
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Some have had good results with pure L-tryptophan on an empty stomach (several grams) prior to bed. It's not OTC, but can be found relatively easy through vetrinarian channels online.
I've had great success with inositol hexophosphate + 5htp (Several grams + 100 mg) prior to bed. I like inositol by itself too.
I've had great success with inositol hexophosphate + 5htp (Several grams + 100 mg) prior to bed. I like inositol by itself too.
olly_whinnett
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I want a long term solution though - for more than 2 weeks. Would melatonin be best to use?
THeMaCHinE
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no, melatonin sucks, read my post above for a couple options.
KINGKONG69
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GHB can get you in as much trouble as being caught with herion. coke, and pot wont even get you in as much trouble as GHB. Its also know as liquid extasy
olly_whinnett
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Actually, GHB is legal where I live (the UK)! And easy to get - qualitygrade.com
You again. Damn kid you're hopeless. This is the same dude from Intense-Training who is asking all the same shit over there. This kid doesn't want advice. He wants his ideas on drug use validated. I have stopped wasting my time on his threads at IT. He is going to derail at some point and I don't want anything to do with it.
TTORO - We don't discuss GHB here because it is a rec drug and we don't discuss rec drugs. This is a bodybuilding forum not a place to find drugs to get you stoned. Plus, the feds have a hardon for GHB and talking about it brings unwanted attention.
TTORO - We don't discuss GHB here because it is a rec drug and we don't discuss rec drugs. This is a bodybuilding forum not a place to find drugs to get you stoned. Plus, the feds have a hardon for GHB and talking about it brings unwanted attention.
olly_whinnett
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I don't want to get high - I want to sleep. You can't get into trouble for using GHB in the UK.
olly_whinnett
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Why does GHB have such a bad reputation anyway? I got high on it for 3 days straight and had NO withdrawl symptoms/side effects!
olly_whinnett
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well - it just goes to show have safe this substance is
Spidey,
Point taken. But at the same time i would like to point out the fact which im sure u are aware of. GHB came out for sleep aid and I use it to get inte my REM sleep faster so i feel like i got a full nights rest in between my two jobs. One being a bouncer which doesnt get me into bed til after 4. I dont take it for the GH side of it cause i dont believe that is worth it. But from a recreational point of view i agree with you. It will get you into trouble cause of it being a Sub 1.
TTORO
Point taken. But at the same time i would like to point out the fact which im sure u are aware of. GHB came out for sleep aid and I use it to get inte my REM sleep faster so i feel like i got a full nights rest in between my two jobs. One being a bouncer which doesnt get me into bed til after 4. I dont take it for the GH side of it cause i dont believe that is worth it. But from a recreational point of view i agree with you. It will get you into trouble cause of it being a Sub 1.
TTORO
Fukkenshredded
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GHB does NOT cause withdrawals. I have posted repeatedly about this. Now there is a study backing it up:
The abrupt cessation of therapeutically administered sodium oxybate (GHB) does not cause withdrawal symptoms
J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 41(2), 131-5 (2003)
Medline (PMID=12733850)
Sodium oxybate (gamma-hydroxybutyrate; GHB) has demonstrated efficacy for the treatment of narcolepsy. However, there are reports of withdrawal following chronic abuse of illicit GHB which involve escalating both doses and dosing frequency. The present trial afforded an opportunity to test the hypothesis that chronic daily therapeutic dosing of sodium oxybate in narcoleptics does not cause withdrawal following abrupt cessation. Fifty-five narcoleptic patients, taking sodium oxybate (dose range 3-9 gm/night) for 7-44 months (mean 21 months), were randomized into a 2-week double-blind period: 29 patients received placebo and 26 continued to receive sodium oxybate. During this 2-week trial period, the following symptoms were reported in patients receiving placebo (N): anxiety (2), dizziness (1), insomnia (1) and somnolence (1). While these symptoms may represent possible symptoms of mild GHB withdrawal, they are also highly consistent with the returning symptoms of narcolepsy. We conclude there is minimal evidence of withdrawal symptoms following abrupt cessation of chronic sodium oxybate dosing in the therapeutic range.
See?
Also, when I did GHB I would stay on for MONTHS, 24/7. NEVER had anything even resembling a withdrawal.
The 'withdrawals' are a combination of metabolic acidosis (Caused by either GBL or improper pH in poorly made GHB) and dopamine surges. Both can be controlled fairly easily.
Anyway, I am tired of arguing this point, and as has been stated (in fact first by ME nearly a year ago...do a search for a thread called 'watch out' ) this subject is best avoided here.
The abrupt cessation of therapeutically administered sodium oxybate (GHB) does not cause withdrawal symptoms
J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 41(2), 131-5 (2003)
Medline (PMID=12733850)
Sodium oxybate (gamma-hydroxybutyrate; GHB) has demonstrated efficacy for the treatment of narcolepsy. However, there are reports of withdrawal following chronic abuse of illicit GHB which involve escalating both doses and dosing frequency. The present trial afforded an opportunity to test the hypothesis that chronic daily therapeutic dosing of sodium oxybate in narcoleptics does not cause withdrawal following abrupt cessation. Fifty-five narcoleptic patients, taking sodium oxybate (dose range 3-9 gm/night) for 7-44 months (mean 21 months), were randomized into a 2-week double-blind period: 29 patients received placebo and 26 continued to receive sodium oxybate. During this 2-week trial period, the following symptoms were reported in patients receiving placebo (N): anxiety (2), dizziness (1), insomnia (1) and somnolence (1). While these symptoms may represent possible symptoms of mild GHB withdrawal, they are also highly consistent with the returning symptoms of narcolepsy. We conclude there is minimal evidence of withdrawal symptoms following abrupt cessation of chronic sodium oxybate dosing in the therapeutic range.
See?
Also, when I did GHB I would stay on for MONTHS, 24/7. NEVER had anything even resembling a withdrawal.
The 'withdrawals' are a combination of metabolic acidosis (Caused by either GBL or improper pH in poorly made GHB) and dopamine surges. Both can be controlled fairly easily.
Anyway, I am tired of arguing this point, and as has been stated (in fact first by ME nearly a year ago...do a search for a thread called 'watch out' ) this subject is best avoided here.
SwitchedOn
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I don't believe G to be as harmful as the feds make it out to be. However it is a schedule 1 controlled substance which isn't something to fuck with. G worked for alot of people and was used responsibly by most but when a few dickless wonder turds started using it as a mickey we all got fucked.
olly_whinnett said:
Too bad US is nearly impossible. All sites like this don't delivery US. Also all the good reliable sites are gone. Only a matter of time before someone tries to capitalize on the absence of a good site for US.
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