GHB Questions

[Toenail Juice Z]

I'm thinking about making GHB. It's not illegal where I am. Most people in Europe don't even know what it is.

The question is:

1) I have found a supplier for GBL (Gamma-Butyrolactone), and I can purchase 1 litre(1000ml) for about $22

Is this a good price, or should I look somewhere else

2) What type of Sodium/Potassium Hydroxide is used. The liquid form or the pellets?

Appreciate any advice.

 

[CRUSHER]

i would stay away from that crap..
GHB is addictive mentaly and will kill you quick..

 

[wrj]

Toenail.
You got mail!

 

[XXXL]

$22 is a lot. but i have to ask you, if it's leagal why bother making it? just buy it.

there are a ton of good sites on the net to make ghb. i can't remember them off the top of my head. just go to the bar, party board or whatever it's called and start to read up on all the ghb posts. there were some links not too long ago.

 

[manny78]

www.ghbkits.com

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

$22 is a lot. but i have to ask you, if it's leagal why bother making it? just buy it.

there are a ton of good sites on the net to make ghb. i can't remember them off the top of my head. just go to the bar, party board or whatever it's called and start to read up on all the ghb posts. there were some links not too long ago.

Buy it? People don't know what it is in Cyprus.
I've seen a few sites, but they don't tell you what kind of Sodium/Potassium to use!

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Pelchat Labs is a fucking rip off.

 

[Ryvor]

Why would you want to make GHB if it's legal where you live?
Unless you want to sell it. And if it's legal where you live and no one knows what it is, why would they want to buy it from you?
That leads me to believe that you want to sell it somewhere else.
Gee, I wonder where?
"I know, why don't I make a subtle post on the boards so that I can have people PM about it?"
Sounds like a fucking source post to me.
Read the rules, no source posts.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Why would you want to make GHB if it's legal where you live?
Unless you want to sell it. And if it's legal where you live and no one knows what it is, why would they want to buy it from you?
That leads me to believe that you want to sell it somewhere else.
Gee, I wonder where?
"I know, why don't I make a subtle post on the boards so that I can have people PM about it?"
Sounds like a fucking source post to me.
Read the rules, no source posts.

I wish you were standing next to me right now, ide bitch slap your cocky ass to kingdom come.

What a fucking idiot you are. Are you fucking stupid!
I asked some basic questions that were in no way related to a source post, but you have to write some lame ass bullshit just to sound like a mod. Stop kissing ass you fucking looser.

They don't sell readymade GHB anywhere. That's why I wanna make it. Understand. Fuck you need a bitchslap

Now let me retort: Basic questions that need basic answers not "smart ass" responses:

1) I have found a supplier for GBL (Gamma-Butyrolactone), and I can purchase 1 litre(1000ml) for about $22

Is this a good price, or should I look somewhere else

2) What type of Sodium/Potassium Hydroxide is used. The liquid form or the pellets?

Even if I wanted to sell GHB kits I wouldn't sell to anyone in the US cause it's one of the only countries with fucked up "over protective" laws. Now go and crawl back into your dead grandmothers hole.

 

[Hoover]

1000ml of gbl for $22 is mad cheap. I have made ghb from the gbl, but I like gbl better. I use it for recreation. I get a better buzz with the gbl. I made the ghb a while back and cannot remember the website I used. What are you using it for? If partying, just start with taking 2ml and working your way up to 4ml and you will be feeling great. Currently I take 3.5-4ml on an empty stomach and I am pretty fucked up. Just be safe.

 

[Ryvor]

LOL!
You're an idiot.
Why don't you do a search on the net to find the information you need you fucking moron. It's already out there, if you weren't such a fucking idiot then you would realize that manny78 has already given you all the information you need to find it. But you're too fucking lazy to look for it. No you want us to spoon feed it to you like the little lazy bitch that you are.
It still sounds like a source post.

Pelchat Labs is a fucking rip off.

Oh really, they're a rip off huh?
I guess it would be much cheaper to buy from you huh?
You already got one person sending you PM's.
Quit fucking source posting you idiot.

 

[xl]

only use it for sleep!

see your doctor in a couple of months, you might even get a script.

x

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Ryvor:
I decline to sell GHB!

Happy now!

Now go fuck yourself and Your Dead Gran.

 

[jboldman]

That is a very good price nowadays. Most use the solid SH but why bother? GBL converts 100% to GHB in the body without any of the sodium!

I'm thinking about making GHB. It's not illegal where I am. Most people in Europe don't even know what it is.

The question is:

1) I have found a supplier for GBL (Gamma-Butyrolactone), and I can purchase 1 litre(1000ml) for about $22

Is this a good price, or should I look somewhere else

2) What type of Sodium/Potassium Hydroxide is used. The liquid form or the pellets?

Appreciate any advice.

 

[Ryvor]

Most use the solid SH but why bother? GBL converts 100% to GHB in the body without any of the sodium!

GBL 1,4 butyrolactone is not the same as GBL 1,4 butandiol.

If you take GBL 1,4 butyrolactone thinking it's GBL 1,4 butandiol, you're not going to be happy.

Oh, Toenail, you're still an idiot.
And $22 is a good price for the GBL if it's 99.95% or higher purity.
And yes, use the pellets, either the Sodium or Potassium it doesn't matter, you just need to use more Potassium. You can figure out the amounts on your own.
And yes, you're still a fucking moron.

 

[Andy13]

This is the only thing I think I will add to this thread..

There are two compounds here..

1,4 butanediol and
gamma butyrolactone..

There is no "GBL 1,4 blah blah blah".

 

[drrman]

andy13 is exactly right, and i have done this shit for years. and yes, 22 dollars is a damn good price for that much gamma. There are plenty of recipes on the net to make decent ghb, and for those who think pure gbl is better than GHB, you've never had quality GHB, its by far better easier to predict what you will feel like rather than GBL, i mean why have people been going through the trouble of making real GHB all these years if all you had to do was take the GBL? and if you are going to make it, don't use the potassium hydroxide, the human body has a much harder time getting rid of all that extra potassium, where as the sodium is easily sweated out of the body. check some photography chemical places for the sodium hydroxide.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

GBL 1,4 butyrolactone is not the same as GBL 1,4 butandiol.

If you take GBL 1,4 butyrolactone thinking it's GBL 1,4 butandiol, you're not going to be happy.

Oh, Toenail, you're still an idiot.
And $22 is a good price for the GBL if it's 99.95% or higher purity.
And yes, use the pellets, either the Sodium or Potassium it doesn't matter, you just need to use more Potassium. You can figure out the amounts on your own.
And yes, you're still a fucking moron.

Your mum's a fucking moron, but I aint complaining!

 

[HardasRock]

Toenail don't listen to these asshole here especially CRUSHER who tells you it will kill you. What a retard, the only way it will kill you is if you drink tons of alcohol on it or take about 20ml or more at one time. Mix it with sodium hydroxide in pellet form. It still tastes salty but not near as bad as pure gbl. Tastes like it is...floor cleaner.

 

[Big Johnson]

i would stay away from that crap..
GHB is addictive mentaly and will kill you quick..

GHB is both mentally and physically addictive. Its crap. Stay away from it.

 

[HardasRock]

Big Johnson your a retard too. GHB is not physically adictive because it turns into carbon dioxide and water in your body and leaves no metabolites after 3-4 hrs. It's undetectable in your body so as far as being addictive, why don't you do some research before you post something fucking stupid and don't have a fucking clue what your talking about. Fuck some people just don't know fuck all.

 

[XXXL]

okay, i have a question for everyone who says that $22 is cheap. as you can see, i stated that it was expensive. i'm wondering why you think that is a cheap price?

i'm thinking that a person living in a country where gbl isn't regulated and had access to it wouldn't pay more than $5-10 per liter. am i right? back before the US regulated gbl you could go to some places and fill a jug for very little to no money.

anyway, if it's leagal i think $22 is expensive.

 

[jboldman]

I have been using ghb since it was legal

and certainly DO know what quality ghb is like! Why would gbl be any harder to predict than ghb? It can be precisely measured out, probably moreso than powdered ghb. Unfortunately there is little or no quality powdered ghb available so you are left to mixing up (or having others mix up) homebrew ghb liquid. As I said before, gbl, same as ghb without the sodium. BTW, I have made ghb using the component chems and honestly do not think it is worth the effort! Actually folks have been making "real" na-ghb all these years which when ingested breaks down into the component sodium and ghb.

andy13 is exactly right, and i have done this shit for years. and yes, 22 dollars is a damn good price for that much gamma. There are plenty of recipes on the net to make decent ghb, and for those who think pure gbl is better than GHB, you've never had quality GHB, its by far better easier to predict what you will feel like rather than GBL, i mean why have people been going through the trouble of making real GHB all these years if all you had to do was take the GBL? and if you are going to make it, don't use the potassium hydroxide, the human body has a much harder time getting rid of all that extra potassium, where as the sodium is easily sweated out of the body. check some photography chemical places for the sodium hydroxide.

 

[rushx79]

Big Johnson your a retard too. GHB is not physically adictive because it turns into carbon dioxide and water in your body and leaves no metabolites after 3-4 hrs. It's undetectable in your body so as far as being addictive, why don't you do some research before you post something fucking stupid and don't have a fucking clue what your talking about. Fuck some people just don't know fuck all.

jesus christ when will you people learn? ghb/gbl/1,4 IS chemically addictive. fuck, you see people on here all the time talking about the shitty withdrawal symptoms the have had when stopping use of it after extended periods. it has nothing to do with whats left in your body after 3-4 hours, it has to do with what it causes your body to do 3-4 hours after its out of your system.

 

[DIESEL_5]

i've made it before for my own personal use.
you want Sodium Hydroxide...make sure it is not lye, as this is not something you want to ingest. I used to get it from a organic soap maker. Just get the purest form you can find.

 

[Schwarzenyeater]

you know a year ago I posted some ? on G and every one was against it and now it seems the truth come out

 

[Skeeter1]

if taken once a day/night it is NOT physically addictive and has NO withdralw symptoms. if you are using it irresponablly you will have some problems, although the half life is VERY short anything that you abuse will bite you in the ass.

 

[solidspine]

22 dollars for a liter is very, very cheap,

But since I OD’d on G and spent the night on a respirator in the local hospital you couldn’t pay me to take it again.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

i would stay away from that crap..
GHB is addictive mentaly and will kill you quick..

Unfortunately there are some people in this world who have a low amount of self control and will power. Therefore these are the people with addictive personalities. If you belong in this category of people, you are the ones that give drugs(including Steroids) a bad name. It is because of you weak people that literally harmless drugs like weed and GHB are illegal. If your the kind of person who can't live without a certain chemical like GHB, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

 

[Skeeter1]

Unfortunately there are some people in this world who have a low amount of self control and will power. Therefore these are the people with addictive personalities. If you belong in this category of people, you are the ones that give drugs(including Steroids) a bad name. It is because of you weak people that literally harmless drugs like weed and GHB are illegal. If your the kind of person who can't live without a certain chemical like GHB, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

Toenail Juice Z, addiction, or for that matter, addictive personality has nothing to do with a weak/strong charater. there are several popular theories currently being studied and in my opinion the brain chemicel theory explains how psychological happens, basicly some people experience subtaance use differently and the subsequent realease, mimicing and reuptake process produces a greater feeling of ephoria and therfore ephoric recall later. the weak personality theory went out shortly after lobodomy's did.

 

[Daeo]

Toenail Juice Z, addiction, or for that matter, addictive personality has nothing to do with a weak/strong charater. there are several popular theories currently being studied and in my opinion the brain chemicel theory explains how psychological happens, basicly some people experience subtaance use differently and the subsequent realease, mimicing and reuptake process produces a greater feeling of ephoria and therfore ephoric recall later. the weak personality theory went out shortly after lobodomy's did.

By self control and will power I believe he means the frequency at which you use it. Using it every day for a month straight to get intoxicated isn't showin much willpower is it? Taking GHB once a week to replace alcohol isn't going to get you addicted. Taking it every day for months at a time might. So if you get addicted to ANYTHING I believe you show no self control or willpower and are a weak individual...

 

[BigAndy]

As i'm sure most of you know GHB increases the amount of the neurotransmitter GABA in the brain , but what most of you probably don't know is that GABA inhibits the release of Corticotropin Releasing Hormone (CRH) which is the hormone that initiates the bodys stress response . Look at it this way CRH is the bodys stress button , which is being held down with continuous use when using GHB . As you encounter stress the pressure under this button begins to build up. If you suddenly stop taking GHB cold turkey you remove you're finger from this button and you're stress levels shoot through the roof due to the build up , causing all the nasty withdrawal symptoms . Which is why if you chose to use GHB you should always use it irregularly or cycle it and ween yourself off very slowly

 

[Daeo]

As i'm sure most of you know GHB increases the amount of the neurotransmitter GABA in the brain , but what most of you probably don't know is that GABA inhibits the release of Corticotropin Releasing Hormone (CRH) which is the hormone that initiates the bodys stress response . Look at it this way CRH is the bodys stress button , which is being held down with continuous use when using GHB . As you encounter stress the pressure under this button begins to build up. If you suddenly stop taking GHB cold turkey you remove you're finger from this button and you're stress levels shoot through the roof due to the build up , causing all the nasty withdrawal symptoms . Which is why if you chose to use GHB you should always use it irregularly or cycle it and ween yourself off very slowly

Which is what I've been saying all along. But I'm a bad guy for saying this and pushing GHB on people. Gimme a break...

 

[Skeeter1]

By self control and will power I believe he means the frequency at which you use it. Using it every day for a month straight to get intoxicated isn't showin much willpower is it? Taking GHB once a week to replace alcohol isn't going to get you addicted. Taking it every day for months at a time might. So if you get addicted to ANYTHING I believe you show no self control or willpower and are a weak individual...

Daeo, either you didnt read my post or you didnt understand it, ADDICTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WILLPOWER, SELF CONTROL, OR BEING WEAK.

 

[Daeo]

Daeo, either you didnt read my post or you didnt understand it, ADDICTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WILLPOWER, SELF CONTROL, OR BEING WEAK.

So you're telling me you believe that using GHB once a week will cause withdraws? And you will be addicted? How did you progress to using it enough for it to be addictive? By using it for extended periods of time and in turn ABUSING the drug. If that doesn't show any willpower or self control I don't know what doesn then...

 

[big kev1]

TOENAIL JUICE Z

you are a moron my english freind. all drug addicts rationalize and deny the fact that they are prone to addiction. i'll bet you are a little dude to. go work out or something. post a picture, i'll bet you look like you are strung out.
and what does the guys deceased grandmother have to do with anything? how old are you, 15?
isnt it past your bed time?

 

[Fukkenshredded]

I posted a response about this subject just over a week ago. I'll just repeat myself instead of referring the post. It seems to me that there is more misinformation about GHB than there is about any steroid. For those of you that think GHB is physically addictive, I would say to you that your definition of the term 'addicive' is very broad, to say the least. I am a recovered coke/crack/heroin addict, and I am here to tell you that GHB is simply habit forming, if that, and then only for the careless. I spent an entire summer on GHB, all day, every day, and I know the withdrawal symptoms first hand. Mild. MILD. True, there is symptomatic response data in the academic sense, but to equate the existence of a biological response to an addicted state (i.e. the physical perception of need) is simply wrong. Additionally, this idea that GHB can be very easily ingested in a fatal amount, and that the so called fatal dose is close to the preferred recreational dose is, again, wrong. While one could certainly drink enough GHB to kill one's self, the same can be said of Tylenol or aspirin or cough syrup...you name it, you can kill yourself with it if you take too much at once. Furthermore, GHB has some proven medical benifits to the human body when properly administered, especially if done on a regular basis. For those who are interested in researching, all you have to do is access the archives of the New England Journal of Medicine. Therein are found multiple references of the 'practically non-existent toxicology' of this amazing food additive. And yes, it is technically a FOOD, not a drug. It is found in all of your cells, where it naturally occurs. It has been used to successfully treat alcohol addiction (which is a true addiction), narcolepsy, insomnia, depression, and a host of other ailments, including depression. When you consider that the top two prescriptions written on America are sleep aids and antidepressants it becomes clear why the FDA is so breathless to demonize this compound. The answer is because it works and it is easily accessed. This leads to a profit problem for pharmaceutical companies who have applied for and received federal funding for medicines to treat these maladies. Indeed, GHB itself is now being approved for use as a sleep aid in a medicine called Xyrem. Suddenly, when it is called something else and manufactured and distributed by FDA approved sources, it is useful. But of course in our hands it is a date rape poison unfit for human consumption. Use your heads, people, especially when it comes to self medication. Even if you don't do us all a favor and KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT before you condone or oppose drug use. If you are fronting, you could inadvertently injure yourself or someone else. And incidentally, $22 is a steal for a liter of the stuff.

One other thing worth mentioning here...the GHB precursers do not behave identically to GHB in the body. 1,4 butanediol is commonly thought of as an equivelent to GHB since it is (eventually) metabolized into GHB once ingested. However, there are remaining compounds that are not exactly harmless. In this case, specifically it is the presence of a certain alcohol that renders 1,4 a bit more dangerous insofar as there is evidence to suggest possible liver damage if the substance is consumed too often and in sufficient quantities. Additionally, GHB use will lead to a buildup of prolactin in the body, which is something that should be of particular concern to those of you who use deca or trenbelone. Prolactin gyno is a keeper, folks. I know this because I have it. I got it when I shot deca on top of a steady intake of GHB. Interestingly, the gyno can appear weeks, or even months, after you stop shooting. You might want to educate yourselves on methods of preventing prolactin gyno in the first place, especially if you are using GHB regularly. GBL also leaves a different biological fingerprint than does GHB. Don't get confused here. GHB is actually good for you when properly used, but there is insufficient medical evidence to support such a claim for any of the available precursors. In fact, there is anecdotal evidence supporting just the opposite. Think of them the same way you might think of the so called hormone precursors on the market today. You get all the sides without any of the benifits. But hey, if you think androstenediol is actually safer and more effective than test, perhaps 1,4 butanediol is just what you need.

 

[Big Johnson]

Big Johnson your a retard too. GHB is not physically adictive because it turns into carbon dioxide and water in your body and leaves no metabolites after 3-4 hrs. It's undetectable in your body so as far as being addictive, why don't you do some research before you post something fucking stupid and don't have a fucking clue what your talking about. Fuck some people just don't know fuck all.

LOL! YOU are the retard, dumbfuck. Your name should read, 'DumbasFuck.' Don't tell me that not sleeping for 3 days straight after getting off is a symptom of "mental" addiction. Funny how laying there in bed all night feeling your skin crawl and twitching involuntarily is all in your head, too.

Yep, you're pretty fucking smart. Even smarter than the doctors who have performed studies on GHB and physical addiction, such as in the following abstract:

From http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9060200&dopt=Abstract

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate: an emerging drug of abuse that causes physical dependence.

Galloway GP, Frederick SL, Staggers FE Jr, Gonzales M, Stalcup SA, Smith DE.

Haight-Ashbury Free Clinics, San Francisco, California, USA.

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) is a compound found in mammalian brain which meets many criteria of a neurotransmitter. GHB has been investigated as a tool for inducing absence (petit mal) seizures, for use as an anesthetic, and for treatment of narcolepsy, alcohol dependence and opiate dependence. Since 1990 GHB has been abused in the United States for euphoric, sedative and anabolic effects. Coma and seizures have been reported following abuse of GHB, but dependence liability has received little attention. The neuropharmacology, potential therapeutic uses and acute adverse effects of GHB are reviewed, followed by a case series of eight people using GHB. Adverse effects of GHB may include prolonged abuse, seizure activity and a withdrawal syndrome. This withdrawal syndrome includes insomnia, anxiety and tremor; withdrawal symptoms resolve in 3-12 days. GHB has the potential to cause a significant incidence of abuse and adverse effects. Prolonged use of high doses may lead to a withdrawal syndrome, which resolves without sequelae. Educational efforts should address the narrow therapeutic index, possible physical dependence and dangers of combining GHB with other drugs of abuse.

PMID: 9060200 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Its a good thing we have you here on the board to clear up these complicated issues. I, for one, being retarded, completely rely upon the expertise of those such as yourself to guide me. Who needs an edjucation with genius like yours so rampant here on Elite. Otherwise, I might have to rely on the expertise of these edjucated guys:

From http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11579621&dopt=Abstract

Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid: patterns of use, effects and withdrawal.

Miotto K, Darakjian J, Basch J, Murray S, Zogg J, Rawson R.

UCLA Dept. of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences, 760 Westwood Plaza, Los Angeles, CA 90024, USA. [email protected]

Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) is gaining popularity as a drug of abuse. Reports of toxicity and lethality associated with GHB use have increased. This survey study was designed to identify patterns of GHB use, its effects, and withdrawal syndrome. A survey inquiring about the effects of GHB was administered to 42 users. The results showed that GHB was used to increased feelings of euphoria, relaxation, and sexuality. Adverse effects occurred more frequently in daily users and polydrug users than in occasional GHB users. Loss of consciousness was reported by 66%, overdose by 28%, and amnesia by 13% of participants during GHB use and by 45% after GHB use. Three daily users developed a withdrawal syndrome that presented with anxiety, agitation, tremor, and delirium. Participants described GHB intoxication as having similarities to sedative-hypnotic or alcohol intoxication. Regular use has been shown to produce tolerance and dependence. Participants dependent on GHB reported using multiple daily doses around the clock. High frequency users appeared at the greatest risk for developing withdrawal delirium and psychosis after abrupt discontinuation of GHB use.

PMID: 11579621 [PubMed - in process]

You are a thick-skulled shit-stain. Why not just keep your cock-sucking mouth shut, dumb fuck?

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Re: TOENAIL JUICE Z

you are a moron my english freind. all drug addicts rationalize and deny the fact that they are prone to addiction. i'll bet you are a little dude to. go work out or something. post a picture, i'll bet you look like you are strung out.
and what does the guys deceased grandmother have to do with anything? how old are you, 15?
isnt it past your bed time?

You had to go ahead and start blabbering bullshit didn't you!
since you know so much about addiction, I bet you are one cocksucking addicted motherfuker. Stop trying to hide behind my words.

Go and take a running leap off a cliff.

(BTW I challenge you to a contest. Post a picture of yourself, Ile post a pic of mine and we'll see who doesn't work out.)
Some people never learn.

 

[Skeeter1]

it looks like my attempt to teach you guys something about addiction has failed and turned into a Juvenile and immature bashing contest...thats too bad

 

[JLo]

Re: Re: TOENAIL JUICE Z

You had to go ahead and start blabbering bullshit didn't you!
since you know so much about addiction, I bet you are one cocksucking addicted motherfuker. Stop trying to hide behind my words.

Go and take a running leap off a cliff.

(BTW I challenge you to a contest. Post a picture of yourself, Ile post a pic of mine and we'll see who doesn't work out.)
Some people never learn.

I am guessing that if you are not familiar with Big Kev1 yet, you are not a frequent visitor to these boards....... So, to catch you up on what you've missed, here are previous threads with pic's posted by Big Kev1...

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=70055

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=67644

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=65344

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=61920

Ok, your turn Toenail Juice Z........

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Big Johnson...those very abstracts have been responded to by several other doctors, including Dean Ward, who is probably the most notable proponent of GHB education and proper administration. It has been noted that these same doctors who are claiming that GHB is addictive have in some cases themselves written about the non-addictive aspect of the drug in earlier abstracts. In fact, your own reference sites the time frame of noticable problematic use beginning in 1990. Why would a drug that has been widely available since the early seventies suddenly become a problem in 1990? Hmmm...could it possibly be a result of impurely synthesized home brews? Let's see here...wasn't tryptophan also making headlines back then as a killer? I wonder if there was some traceable government funding for sleep aids issued to any pharmaceutical companies in say...1989 or thereabouts. Yep. And is it also coincidence that tryptophan is an effective sleep aid and mood enhancer? Better go ahead and make it illegal, even though it is a FOOD, so to get away with that we're gonna have to demonize it first. A few deaths oughtta do the trick, so let's do a search and turn up a couple. Here's a challenge for you people who really believe these FDA supported doctor's reports. Find me one doctor, ANYWHERE, who under oath admitted to personally treating GHB overdose where ONLY GHB WAS USED. In fact, the government's star witness against GHB was forced to admit under oath that in her entire medical career whe had NEVER SEEN A SINGLE GHB OVERDOSE. Additionally, the mentioning of the death of River Phoenix and the finding of GHB in his blood after death...did you know that GHB levels are NORMALLY RAISED AFTER DEATH IN THE BLOOD AND CAN BE FOUND IN LEVELS OF 2-50...River's was around 12...furthermore, there was NO GHB IN HIS URINE, which is proof positive that GHB was NOT THE KILLER. The same was true for the young woman touted as the GHB death poster child...there were OTHER DRUGS PRESENT, FOLKS. Read the transcripts yourselves. They are everywhere. Look up Dean Ward's responses and accounts of the coroners that the government used as witnesses and experts in the hearings to schedule this food. If it is so addictive, WHERE ARE THE ADDICTS? Does a finding of 3 people out of 42 (which you cited above) constitute a 'drug with a high potential for abuse?' Come on. 3 out of 42? And what were the symptoms? Anxiety? WHAT? I get anxious when my last piece of pizza vanishes down my esophagus. I immediately want more, and my hands shake...heh heh...so I must be an ADDICT. Geez...

I wonder sometimes why I still post at this board. I see so much name calling and whining and ignorance that I am almost ashamed to be here at times. Its like a bunch of high school kids on too much beer and clomid and test all at the same time, who get their information from the local gym rats. A drug suddenly addicitve at the same time that the pharmaceutical industry is funded for combating the very effects that GHB combats. Please. Next I'll be hearing about the FATAL EFFECT OF MDMA. Give me a fukkenbreak. Use it (GHB) RESPONSIBLY and you will not be harmed. Abuse it, and like ANY OTHER DRUG, it will have negative effects. Peace.

 

[Big Johnson]

Its like a bunch of high school kids on too much beer and clomid and test all at the same time...LMFAO!!!

Abuse it, and like ANY OTHER DRUG, it will have negative effects. Peace.

Your response is intelligent, bro. But, just wait until a friend checks himself into rehab and gives you a few gallons of the shit. I mean, why not take a cap every day? Shit, why not take a cap in the morning, in the afternoon, and a couple before you hit the sack, otherwise you won't be able to sleep due to the fact you've been buzzed all day long. Shit, you've only got three gallons of the shit. Do this for two months, quit cold turkey, and sit back and enjoy the absolute hell you are about to endure. Try feeling like you have needles being driven into every square inch of your skin, like your heart could burst inside your ribcage. And, you CAN'T SLEEP for days, making your body's craving for a cap only that much worse. Fuck, the only thing that helped was getting shit-faced drunk, but I still couldn't sleep after a six pack and ten greyhounds. Just puked.

The funny thing is, I was just like you. I use to argue for responsible use, but the truth is that ANY use is irresponsible. It has no place in bodybuilding or in the life of a "responsible" person.

Take care and good luck.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Re: Re: Re: TOENAIL JUICE Z

I am guessing that if you are not familiar with Big Kev1 yet, you are not a frequent visitor to these boards....... So, to catch you up on what you've missed, here are previous threads with pic's posted by Big Kev1...

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=70055

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=67644

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=65344

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=61920
Ok, your turn Toenail Juice Z........

I saw the pictures. Very interesting. We have a walking side effect among us. That's what you get when you abuse Anadrol 50!
Roid bellied, water retentioned, gut busting freaks.
(BTW, for a girl you have strange taste!), you wouldn't happen to be a hermaphrodite would you?

 

[daddyrabbit]

GHB

Fukkenshredded, if guys like you quit posting on the board, there is going to be little reason to come here for information. Many of the comments here are based on information acquired by hearsay and the opinions of others.

The one thing a formal education does is sensitize one to the varying sources of information and how to evaluate the value of information derived from these sources. The systematic study of emperical events with controlled measurement and objective analysis (the scientific method) is the basis for our current technological achievement.

If you want questionable information, tune in to the Rikki Lake TV show and listen to those mutants howl.

This thread about GHB is interesting (if you take out the flames. Although there is some real humor in some of these flames).

I have a big dog in this fight because I use GHB regularly. I do have an addictive personality that is honorable inherited from a long line of alcoholics. In my life (I am 58 years old), I have quit heavy drinking, quit smoking, quit weed, and hardest of all, I quit Copenhagen snuff. I researched for a substance that would give me the effects of some of these substances without the side effects.

I discovered and subsequently made some GHB and now prefer it to any other mood/mind altering substance.

Whether it is a food or a drug is irrelevant. If one has had problems quiting the use of anything, you will have a problem quiting GHB. It is psychologically addictive to those who have addictive personalities.

If you do not have a problem with managing substances, if you can take or leave a drink, ecstasy, pot or whatever then GHB will be something else you can take or leave.

I do about 4 grams a day, most days with a couple days off here and there. It is hard to skip those days. When I quit, I do not have physical withdrawal symptoms becauses I dont take GHB all day every day.

Those who do this for several months (according to the anecdotal evidence) do experience some physical problems for a period of time. I did weed every day for a year, and when I quit, I went through 2 days of depression and other symptoms.

Whether or not you believe any of the intelligent men who post here, you can be sure that the truth is somewhere between the extremes of argumentation expressed.

So, if you are addictive, stay away from all substances that develop dependencies in their users. If you are not addictive, you probably dont have anything to fear from any substance.

If you are in between, understand you are taking a calculated risk and be prepared to deal with the consequences.

 

[big kev1]

i post pictures on a regular basis, your not in my league little guy. who taught you all those dirty words?
since you refuse to shut up long enough to learn anything, go and drink all the G you want to. i am sure they have rehabs in england.

 

[Daeo]

Your response is intelligent, bro. But, just wait until a friend checks himself into rehab and gives you a few gallons of the shit. I mean, why not take a cap every day? Shit, why not take a cap in the morning, in the afternoon, and a couple before you hit the sack, otherwise you won't be able to sleep due to the fact you've been buzzed all day long. Shit, you've only got three gallons of the shit. Do this for two months, quit cold turkey, and sit back and enjoy the absolute hell you are about to endure. Try feeling like you have needles being driven into every square inch of your skin, like your heart could burst inside your ribcage. And, you CAN'T SLEEP for days, making your body's craving for a cap only that much worse. Fuck, the only thing that helped was getting shit-faced drunk, but I still couldn't sleep after a six pack and ten greyhounds. Just puked.

The funny thing is, I was just like you. I use to argue for responsible use, but the truth is that ANY use is irresponsible. It has no place in bodybuilding or in the life of a "responsible" person.

Take care and good luck.

Hmmm. Two months of straight GHB use. I can't see why you had withdraws???

 

[jboldman]

Big J

I hear what you are saying and I suppose in the context of an adolescent or addictive personality i would agree but, just like in all other things, gross generalites are rarely true. i would be the first to discourage the use of ghb by anyone because of the potential danger for the individual and others. HOWEVER, I have been doing GHB on and off for over 15years, NEVER during the day, and NEVER for recreational purposes unless you want to include sex prior to sleep! I have no problem taking it or leaving it and , in fact, do not find the waking high all that pleasurable, alcohol is much better. If you check out that other thread just posted on GHB, I thought I expressed my opinion of recreational uses fairly eloquently. For many years GHB was legal and used by many people, bodybuilders included, with rarely any side effects. Unfortunately word spread and the party animals started ODing, driving their cars into telephone poles, passing out every where, doping up their dates, and other STUPID things. Now it is known as a party drug and is consequently scheduled. What was once the purview of the bbrs and life extensionists has become a "date rape" scheduled "narcotic". So now, alas, because of the irresponible party hardy types, we all suffer, such is the way of life

 

[HardasRock]

Big Johnson you faggot, do you believe everything that doctors say you fucking asshole. Of course doctors are going to tell you shit like that because they don't want you to take it, just like yrs ago when doctors say that anabolic steroids don't enhance performance! I bet you beleive that one too eh you fucking retard. oh and one more thing Big Dickhead, you'll get lung cancer from smoking 1 joint and cirrhosis of the liver for having a glass of wine and oh don't let me forget you'll get liver cancer, testical cancer, prostate cancer, ball cancer, brain cancer and tongue cancer (from which you sucked 1 too many cocks0 all from doing 1 cycle of juice. Fuck your the prime example of how this world is full of fucking morons like yourself. If I believed everything I read like you I'd have a I.Q. of 2, double of yours. Get off the board fag

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Big Johnson...
...what you have pointed out is certainly common among users. After several weeks of continuous steady dosing there are some alterations in sleep patterns. This cannot be disputed. It is (this is my opinion) the result of a dopamine build up in the brain. The initial effect of waking up refreshed and clearheaded during the first fews days of GHB use is widely theorized to be the result of a 'dopamine rush' at the time of completed metabolization, or shortly thereafter. I agree with this theory. There is enough literature about GABA and the pathway to support the theory solidly, although it has not actually been conclusively proven. But if it is true, then a continuous dosing of GHB that overlaps the dopamine lifetime could conceivably result in a build up. Such a build up would account for the changes in one's sleep pattern. Now, I agree with you also that this drug can be a sneaky bitch with a hell of a bite. It is precisely because of the seemingly benign nature of the effects altogether. There is little attention given to the cumulative effects of the metabolites. This is a drug that might have what could be referred to as an 'addiction response curve'...for lack of a better term. In other words, the effects of a single dose certainly cannot be described as addicting. But if another dose is administered before the first dose is completely metabolized, a type of attenuation can result. This happened to me. I took it all day, every day, for about four months. I stopped because I got gyno from combining it with deca (BAD IDEA). Now, there were undeniably some unpleasant somatic responses that were a direct result of sudden cessation. I would not classify the symptoms as being consistent with 'withdrawals' as used in reference to heroin or crack (I was addicted to both)...and in fact I will tell you right now that my fear of exacerbating the gyno was much more disconcerting than the absence of GHB in my body. Keep in mind that I still had some GHB right there in the apartment, but did not take it at all for the rest of that year. In my personal lexicon, the term 'addition' would apply only to a state in which my personal desire or willpower was overidden by my physical craving for that particular substance. Perhaps the phrase 'habit forming' wpuld be more accurate. I will not even attempt to convince anyone here that GHB is not habit forming by nature. Of course it is. But for me, that is not sufficient to render it harmful, or even negative. I am much more addicted to Coca Cola than I ever was to many drugs, including GHB. Now, here's where I have to concur with you entirely. My sleep patterns have definitely been altered ever since that particular summer. I use GHB off and on now, and it is determined by the ease of availability more than anything else. If I run out, I quit until I just bump into some more. I don't search it out. I have made my own, but right now I don't do that either for various reasons. I am NOT a proponent of ANY of the precursors, although I do use them from time to time as well. Understand that I am admittedly a recreational drug user. I have no illusions about that fact whatsoever. Nor am I concerned with any perceived implications, good or bad. I am where I am, and I have been in worse states, without a doubt. I do not condone or condemn drug use in general, and to do so in blanket terminology is simply a reflection of naivety more than stupidity. I just think that pleasure or comfort can be there own purpose, without the guilt generally pushed on such a stance. In other words, it is ok with me that I take drugs for the simple reason that they are fun. I do not require another reason to take them. What I actually require are reasons NOT to take certain drugs. If it interferes with more important issues of my life, such as relationships, work, mental stability, motivation, etc...then that is sufficient reason to avoid drugs as far as I am concerned. I take GHB when I can afford the consequences. This applies to every drug I take, including steroids. It is therefore of PARAMOUNT importance that an ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSEQUENCES EXISTS, including physical, mental, and social consequenses. I think that the term is...responsibility...??? To not research a substance thoroughly and then ingest or inject it anyway is the most immediate form of drug abuse. Just some of my inner dialogue, I don't mean to sound condescending. Peace out on this thread.