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woje3

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I was wondering if I was going to take 5iu's a day for about 3-4 months with nothing else, is it worth it, would I make any gains and lose bodyfat? or is that not long enough and do you need slin with it?
 
A little longer would be better IMO. Why not drop down to 3 iu for a longer period of time. Should do just fine if fat loss is all you're looking for. I've been running 2 iu per day for a little over 4 months now and couldn't get fat if I tried. I'm gonna bump it up to 4 iu when I start a cycle in november.
 
Best to use 2-3IU's daily for 6wks. on//2 wks. off. Contrary to popular wisdom, it's best to cycle hGH, as exogenous hGH does cause a negative feedback loop. The pituitary does atrophy under chronic administration.

3-4IU will illicit significant fat loss, especially at the injection site as hGH is highly lipolytic.
 
Is there any paper on the site specific applicaions of GH? Wouldn't micro application over a larger area then create vastly improved liplysis? For that matter, how about transdermal application, seeing as how its subQ anyway?
 
riskarb, i just want to clarify what you were saying. use 2-3 iu's/day for 2 weeks on, then weeks off. and keep doing this for 6 months? what kind of results would someone with average genetics expect doing it this way. I like this idea I would just like to hear a little more about what you think.
 
Wide: yeah, I would imagine only slightly. The hGH molecule is distributed quickly.

Woje: sorry, but I was referring to a 6week on//2week off cycle of 2-3IU's daily. This schedule will allow you to use hGH indefinitely. I plan on using hGH on this cycle for years.

Do not take hGH at bedtime. Exo-hGH to mimic endo-release in counter-productive. Take your hGH first thing in the a.m.

Re: results. I think you'll find that the hype is well deserved. It's essentially a biochem liposuction -- spot reduction at the point of injection and overall fat reduction is profound.

I personally wouldn't use slin(hate the abbrev.) as the risks of hypo-coma are *real*, and the other caveats are too numerous to mention.

Since you're not stacking with AAS, I would suggest 1200mg of r-ALA daily. DO NOT buy the racemic-version, ONLY the "R" form. Advantages too numerous to mention, aids a ton in increasing vascularity. Do a google search on "ALA & insulin" Here's a link to AST's page on r-ALA. I buy the AST stuff:

http://www.ast-ss.com/Products/ProductPage.asp?ProdID=6
 
Forgot to add: the jury is out w.r.t. strength gains, but you will notice an overall improvement in physique and body comp.
 
hardrock said:
A little longer would be better IMO. Why not drop down to 3 iu for a longer period of time. Should do just fine if fat loss is all you're looking for. I've been running 2 iu per day for a little over 4 months now and couldn't get fat if I tried. I'm gonna bump it up to 4 iu when I start a cycle in november.

This has been my impression as well. Great for fat loss, but not exactly cheap when you consider that that is all it really seems to do. This NOT a drug for strenth gains or anabolic like results. So dont kid yourself, and don't get your hopes up for something like that at least if you are using it alone that is.
 
I just started gh yesterday, I am useing it post cycle at 3iu's daily with r-ala, v-12, nox2. Im hopeing that I will keep my gains from my last cycle, lose bf and in 3 months I will bump it up to 4iu's and begin another cycle.
 
woje3 said:
do you use slin or anything else with your gh right now?

Nope. Just r-ala with every carb meal.

syd black said:
I just started gh yesterday, I am useing it post cycle at 3iu's daily with r-ala, v-12, nox2. Im hopeing that I will keep my gains from my last cycle, lose bf and in 3 months I will bump it up to 4iu's and begin another cycle.

I started mine 7 weeks before my long cycle ended. Used 10 days clomid along with creatine, No2, avena sativa, maca, tribulis and a bunch of vitamins, and am at the same weight I was when I came off. I don't look as hard of coarse, but I haven't lost much strength either. A couple reps at the most.
 
i think any drugs effectiveness decreases with time- gh included. over time your body developes antibodies to gh - making it less effective over time.ive used gh everywhich way for years- its good stuff, but doesnt deserve the hype. the way i been using it/will use it is just like steroids, low dose, then up- up some more, down , then off to let everything normalize for a month or 2. again ive used it alot of diff ways and this way just makes sense to me now- diff from what everybody else is doing with it , but i BELIEVE in this way. this is important. gh does burn fat but i know how to burn fat on my own now- thats not what i want from it. if i were you , id shorten the gh cycle so i could work up to a higher dose, say , instead of 3iu for 12 weeks, 3-6 iu for 6 weeks- or however it works out
 
That's what I would like to do.....run a high dosage 5-6 actually for 3-6 weeks, take a break and go back. But I keep hearing that it has to be in your body for so long to be effective? do you find this w/your experience w/it?
 
Production of antibodies isn't much of a concern... only affects roughly 2% of users. Either way, if antibodies are produced, it won't matter whether you're cycling or using continuously.

FWIW, body comp changes tend to occur after >6months of administration -- I'm not only referring to local-lipolytic effects. Most users don't cycle long enough to see the benefits. Of course, the benefits beyong lipolysis are linear, age dependent. The older you are, the greater the benefits. It won't be of much use to someone in their mid 20's unless they're hypo.

Best to all,
riskarb
 
again, the way im saying is diff then what everybody else is doing but just think about it for a minute. if you go the same dose everyday with anything whats gonna happen? your bodys gonna get used to it. now im not trying to be a asshole here , but i would guess ive used more hgh then 99.9 guys using gh. ive also taken high dose , 27iu a day for months at a time. this is possible if you find a cheap source for serostim- so please no body call me a liar - im not. id say ive used 15 cases of huma(6box a case) and 15 case of genotropin pens. guesses but probably pretty close. and the serostim , shit , i was buying 6 kits every few weeks. this is why i like to answer on the gh threads- its something i feel i know alot about. now , you have alot of guys reading , hearing about gh- maybe they are right - but something tells me im right about this. i used to be a duration guy with every drug i took - i never wanted to get off. youve got to get in with your drugs shock the body and let the drugs carry you thru, then stand back from it all and see whats happened. using this way makes me think i can still rocket to the top. i have to be there mentally - and i just dont believe in duration anymore. if you get your body to the point of needing hrt and you get locked up then what? your fucked thats what - your not gonna get shit and instead of having the addvantage you will have the disadvantage and your gonna get your ass kicked on a regular
 
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