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infraredline
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Peptides are better IMO, it's your own natural gh first off so if you stop you don't get the awful rebound effect you get with synthetic gh, it is way cheaper, it's legal, and it produces I believe like 6-10iu bursts of your own gh idk exactly what the # is but it is a pretty decent dose of your own gh, think of it this way your natural gh has grown you from being the size of a peanut to where you are now so what is so wrong with it and why would you want to use anything besides it
Hope this helps
For your age go with IGF. Great spot results.
infraredline
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I disagree with the previous statement, lr3 just wears down your receptors rendering your own igf useless, why would you use an alternative source of igf when you can just get more of your own igf by spiking your natural gh release
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ALIN
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Ive not used many peptides yet but have used HGH extensively.
I think its best resrved for the more advanced athlete.
I suggest u check out Datbtrue.co.uk for everything peptide related.. very informative
theres a chart on there, in the main forum page, that shows the difference between hgh and peptide release..
IMO peptides will give u the most bang for ur buck, just check out the info on that website, u will be shocked!!
theres a chart on there, in the main forum page, that shows the difference between hgh and peptide release..
IMO peptides will give u the most bang for ur buck, just check out the info on that website, u will be shocked!!
According to one of the lectures I listened to the Docs in the A4M say peptides are the hgh HRT of the future. It's especially positive because it obviously utilizes your own pituitary and doesn't suppress it. Long term suppression can cause pituitary disease.
Not to mention there's a lot of under dosed and garbage hgh out there. I'm over 3 months on ipamorelin (more stable than ghrp2 or 6 and less sides) and I have no plans to quit.
Not to mention there's a lot of under dosed and garbage hgh out there. I'm over 3 months on ipamorelin (more stable than ghrp2 or 6 and less sides) and I have no plans to quit.
Headholio
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Can you tell us what results you've seen from Ipamorelin?
digit0x
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I like what I've read about Ipam. I'm going to invest in some next year.
First off I tried GHRP-2. First time I tried it I got wicked palpitations. Stoped for 10 days and tried again. No palpitations....odd? Then I tried GHRP with CJC no/dac and after two pins I got that shitty head pressure people get so I stopped. Took 3 days to go away. Then I stuck with GHRP only for 5 weeks. Gained about 10 lb of water weight. Stopped checking my blood glucose after a few weeks cause I figured I had the routine down as far as how it affects me. After days of feeling fuzzy and wierd I checked glucose. I was walking around for days with 64-ish glucose. Under normal circumstances If it dropped into the high 70's I would start to feel hypo-ish. I stopped immediatley. I dont have time for diabetes.
Ipamorelin.....3rd generation peptide. Probably a touch less powerful than GHRP but way less issues. I have had zero blood glucose issues. Zero water retention. What have I noticed? The usual HGH type effects ie: Sleep better, recovery between workouts is better, recovery between sets is better even. Strength increases are noticable within 2 weeks. Not major but its noticable. After about 2 months straight of 3 on 1 off 100mcg morning and pre bed I started to notice hair growth oout the fucking wahzoo. Hair that grows to a finite length such as arm hair ect.... all of a sudden is almost half again as long as it was previously. Instead of shaving my head every 72 hours I must shave my head every 36-48 hours.
I can also take CJC with Ipam without issues with head pressure.
I've had an increase in vascularity lately too. Bicep and delt veins.
Its obviously not like taking 5-7 iu of HGH a day long term. But its pretty cheap and it ustilizes your own pituitary. I cant imagine why anyone wouldnt want to.
I havnt gotten a chance to read much yet but the lecture I mentioned the docs were all talking about Sermorelin in particular.
I have been messing with different times recently. I was doing 200mcg 30 minutes pre workout which was pretty cool. Lots of strength, stamina, recovery ect. 2 days ago I switched to 200mcg morning only.
Ipamorelin.....3rd generation peptide. Probably a touch less powerful than GHRP but way less issues. I have had zero blood glucose issues. Zero water retention. What have I noticed? The usual HGH type effects ie: Sleep better, recovery between workouts is better, recovery between sets is better even. Strength increases are noticable within 2 weeks. Not major but its noticable. After about 2 months straight of 3 on 1 off 100mcg morning and pre bed I started to notice hair growth oout the fucking wahzoo. Hair that grows to a finite length such as arm hair ect.... all of a sudden is almost half again as long as it was previously. Instead of shaving my head every 72 hours I must shave my head every 36-48 hours.
I can also take CJC with Ipam without issues with head pressure.
I've had an increase in vascularity lately too. Bicep and delt veins.
Its obviously not like taking 5-7 iu of HGH a day long term. But its pretty cheap and it ustilizes your own pituitary. I cant imagine why anyone wouldnt want to.
I havnt gotten a chance to read much yet but the lecture I mentioned the docs were all talking about Sermorelin in particular.
I have been messing with different times recently. I was doing 200mcg 30 minutes pre workout which was pretty cool. Lots of strength, stamina, recovery ect. 2 days ago I switched to 200mcg morning only.
I wonder if you took hgh and ipamoralin to keep you pituitary natty production up?
Or run ipamoralin once a year like pct?
Or run ipamoralin once a year like pct?
Yeah, I'm thinking those would be good ideas. This next summer I was thinking in running 8 iu hgh pre workout with another special compound for 4 weeks on 4 off then 4 on again. Problem is tapering up. You cant just jump into that much HGH without some nice sides. I personally have yet to use HGH. I know you need to run HGH a long time but in the way I am thinking and what I'll be running it with (you know what I mean) it will work as I want it too.
Or maybe I'll just run a 200mcg pin of ipam with 100mcg CJC instead.
I have a chart I got from a thread a while back that shows the spike levels, durations, ect... of GHRP/CJC No dac vs. 7.5iu HGH VS CJC with dac(alone)
The GHRP/cjc combo produced a way bigger spike than HGH did. but the HGH lasted 3 times as long compared to 2-2.5 hours or so of the peptides.
I think i would want to run Ipam with HGH to try and counter suppression if I had to choose either option you mentioned.
I really think you should try the 10IU's 3x's per week immediatly post wo intramuscular. If I was trying to get huge that is definiately the protocal that I feel has the best results for GH. I feel I am already too freaking big at 235 and my goal is to get back to under 10% BF so I am taking 5iu's per day. You won't get the nasty GH sides from the high doses ED, and it theoretically does not interfer with natty production as its not ED. On a another note I have a buddy with HIV who was given a script of a peptide similar to IPAM that is a derivative of GH specifically for fat as the drugs he is on for some reason cause fat deposits. It seems to work well.
infraredline
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I'm thinking your source may have been bunk then, I'm runnin ghrp-6 and mod grf and I love it, huge appetite increase and body fat loss in the first few days, typically you only run them at 1mcg per kg of body weight
CJC is a lot differnt than mod GRF, and not the same outcome is achieved by combining Ipam with CJC... When combined with Mod GRF ur GH pulse is increased dramatically..
Everything u need to know about these Peptides and the combination of them can be found at Datbtrue.co.uk
..thats one of the most informative places on the net when it comes to peptides
What source? What are you talking about? HGH? I have never run it.
I notice a huge difference between 100mcg and 200mcg of Ipamorelin.
Yes with Mod GRF-29 (CJC no dac) It will increase the intensity and duration of the spike so its obviously better. But anyone (there have been some) who says Ipam or GHRP is worthless without CJC is full of shit.
If you meant GHRP 2 then no it was legit. I got all the good effects from it. Along with the bad I mentioned. Many many people get some serious water retention from GHRP-2/6 along with blood glucose issues. I would dare say 85% of peptide users dont pay any attention to glucose let alone check it or know that its affecting their blood sugar.
infraredline
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Well yeah I get that hypo feeling but thanks to the peptides, atleast for me, I just put down a ton of carbs and protein and I feel fine an don't get any body fat gain that's why ghrp 6 an 2 are so good for bulking you have to put down a ton a food to not feel hypo
See....I only ever felt hypo on a first pin. Every pin after that my blood glucose rises as it would with HGH. If I increased dose say 50mcg then I would get that insulin spike again. But then after that initial increase back to blood glucose rising. You really really should get a monitor and check your BG 15,25,35,60 min post injection and see how its affecting you. Then at random points during the day.
You need to check your blood glucose at spike time (apx 30-35 min post injection) It should be rising if the HGH secretion is happening. In which case you want zero carbs of any kind.
infraredline
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@Mekat You wait 30 mins and the eat, by then your gh is secreted and your igf is floating around so you need your carbs to make use of the igf, you are correct on the fats though you want to make sure you don't consume those until about 45-60 mins post injection that's why I eat my fats last
@burnthiscorpse really that is strange you didn't feel it after your first one I still feel mine and I'm 5 days in but your right I probably should, would be interesting to see what it is I would imagine though that it would be pretty low since I still feel hypo after 60g of protein and 80g of carbs lol
The GH spike happens at apx 30 minutes. If your blood sugar is rising as it shoould be there is no need for carbs. Fats blunt GH, exogenus or natural. No fats for a good 2 hours either side of injection is my rule.
Again I cant stress enough to you guys not checking that you NEED to be monitoring your glucose. Ask Radar who was a big peptide guy until it gave him Type 2 diabetes. Its not something to fuck around with.
