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GH & T3 while bulking ?
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CanadianBro
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It is well established that GH should be used with Androgens and preferably Insulin and T3 for a full anabolic effect.
There is a therapuetic effect doing it this way. If freaky mass and hardness is your goal then I would definately use the anabolics and androgens together. I know many that have used it many diferent ways. Some with T3, some without. Others with anabolics and/or androgens while others did not. Same goes for insulin.
I feel tough, that the T3 is a must. If you use nothing else with it use that. But remember to cycle it. 6 weeks on THAN 6 weeks off. You should also pyramid the dose.
There is a therapuetic effect doing it this way. If freaky mass and hardness is your goal then I would definately use the anabolics and androgens together. I know many that have used it many diferent ways. Some with T3, some without. Others with anabolics and/or androgens while others did not. Same goes for insulin.
I feel tough, that the T3 is a must. If you use nothing else with it use that. But remember to cycle it. 6 weeks on THAN 6 weeks off. You should also pyramid the dose.
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CanadianBro
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One more key point...
If you use T3, be sure to get regular blood tests.
Here is some important information regarding T3 and GH use.
"Thyroid hormones, on the other hand, offer significant benefits when used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3 levels down. This is significant because the real value of optimal thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing GH secretion, up-regulating GH receptors, up-regulating IGF-1 receptors, and other less well defined anabolic effects. Don’t get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.
You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3 (e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature" recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4 pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that’s the case bring your levels up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the androgens you are using.
If you use T3, be sure to get regular blood tests.
Here is some important information regarding T3 and GH use.
"Thyroid hormones, on the other hand, offer significant benefits when used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3 levels down. This is significant because the real value of optimal thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing GH secretion, up-regulating GH receptors, up-regulating IGF-1 receptors, and other less well defined anabolic effects. Don’t get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.
You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3 (e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature" recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4 pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that’s the case bring your levels up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the androgens you are using.
Funny, I just read a published medical study a while ago that T3 lowers IGF-1 levels and sensitivity dramatically. If I can find this study, I will cut and past. I found it to be an eye opener while using Hgh and T3 together.
The biggest advantage of using GH and T3 during a bulking cycle is that it will allow you to eat more calories while still loosing fat (or at least keeping it steady). So that should help you gain more muscle as well (more calories).
Furthermore, the fact that you are not going to gin fat (or even might loose some) means that during your next cutter you wont have to loose as much fat, so this may shorten your need to diet down by 2-3 weeks, which could save you 1-3lbs of muscle that you might have lost on a long diet.
I really don't see the downside in using GH and T3 as far as effectiveness goes. The only realy downsides are an increase in potential sides and a lot less $$$ in your bank account.
Furthermore, the fact that you are not going to gin fat (or even might loose some) means that during your next cutter you wont have to loose as much fat, so this may shorten your need to diet down by 2-3 weeks, which could save you 1-3lbs of muscle that you might have lost on a long diet.
I really don't see the downside in using GH and T3 as far as effectiveness goes. The only realy downsides are an increase in potential sides and a lot less $$$ in your bank account.
