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GH, if you had the chance to do it would you?
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M.O.D said:
I'd say humatrope. It is the only one that I know of that is actually reported to support an increase in muscle growth. Serostim will aid gains in lean muscle tissue, but this does not include muscle, only water, gyno, and organ enlargement... very dangerous. If you'd like, I can provide the research to back up these statements.
-Stew
solidspine
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IN A HEART BEAT.
But I think it depends upon your age, and the older you are the more bang you will see, I'm 51 and looking forward to trying it soon.
But I think it depends upon your age, and the older you are the more bang you will see, I'm 51 and looking forward to trying it soon.
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Stew Meat
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Here's why I say don't waste a dime on GH, particularly Serostim:
"Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men", Yarasheski KE; Campbell JA; Smith K; Rennie MJ; Holloszy JO; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 262(3 Pt 1):E261-7 1992 Mar
Serostim (a growth hormone) given at 2 to 4 times normal physiological levels (9 IU per day) did not produce significant muscle growth in young men who lifted weights. While there was an increase in LBM, the LBM that was gained was basically not muscle, but water or other tissue.
"Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth and strength in older men", Yarasheski KE; Zachwieja JJ; Campbell JA; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 268(2 Pt 1):E268-76 1995 Feb
In this study there was also a lack of effect on muscle tissue, but in older men who lifted weights. The authors said: "The greater increase in fat free mass (FFM) with GH treatment seemed to be due to an increase in noncontractile protein and fluid retention."
"Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength". Yarasheski KE. Exerc Sport Sci Rev, 22():285-312 1994
In this one the author said, "On the basis of the similar increases in muscle protein synthesis, muscle cross-sectional area, and muscle strength observed in placebo and GH-treated exercising young adults, it is doubtful that the nitrogen retention associated with daily GH treatment results in any increase in contractile protein, improved muscle function, strength or athletic performance."
At the Cannes Conference data from a study by Donald P. Kotler, MD reported:
"The results of an interim analysis of a 6-month open-label trial of the safety and efficacy of Serostim growth hormone upon visceral adipose tissue, as determined by whole body MRI scanning. Therapy with 6mg of Serostim rhGH did not promote a significant change in skeletal muscle during the first 12 weeks of therapy in the 8 subjects for whom repeat MRI data were available. Cost for 12 weeks was approximately $19,000.
The political problem here is that Serostim GH has been promoted as an anabolic agent with claims by Serono sales people that GH builds muscle. Note that testosterone and anabolic steroids have been proven to be anabolic to muscle tissue, and testosterone has been shown to significantly increase muscle growth, but because of the deception of Serono's sales people many HIV(+) people who have needed anabolic steroids to build their bodies and their health have been given Serostim GH by well-intentioned, but misinformed physicians..."
Growth hormone may have some benefit to elderly men wishing to have slightly elevated fat burning, but if you are using GH to gain muscle, you are wasting your money.
-Stew
"Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men", Yarasheski KE; Campbell JA; Smith K; Rennie MJ; Holloszy JO; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 262(3 Pt 1):E261-7 1992 Mar
Serostim (a growth hormone) given at 2 to 4 times normal physiological levels (9 IU per day) did not produce significant muscle growth in young men who lifted weights. While there was an increase in LBM, the LBM that was gained was basically not muscle, but water or other tissue.
"Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth and strength in older men", Yarasheski KE; Zachwieja JJ; Campbell JA; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 268(2 Pt 1):E268-76 1995 Feb
In this study there was also a lack of effect on muscle tissue, but in older men who lifted weights. The authors said: "The greater increase in fat free mass (FFM) with GH treatment seemed to be due to an increase in noncontractile protein and fluid retention."
"Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength". Yarasheski KE. Exerc Sport Sci Rev, 22():285-312 1994
In this one the author said, "On the basis of the similar increases in muscle protein synthesis, muscle cross-sectional area, and muscle strength observed in placebo and GH-treated exercising young adults, it is doubtful that the nitrogen retention associated with daily GH treatment results in any increase in contractile protein, improved muscle function, strength or athletic performance."
At the Cannes Conference data from a study by Donald P. Kotler, MD reported:
"The results of an interim analysis of a 6-month open-label trial of the safety and efficacy of Serostim growth hormone upon visceral adipose tissue, as determined by whole body MRI scanning. Therapy with 6mg of Serostim rhGH did not promote a significant change in skeletal muscle during the first 12 weeks of therapy in the 8 subjects for whom repeat MRI data were available. Cost for 12 weeks was approximately $19,000.
The political problem here is that Serostim GH has been promoted as an anabolic agent with claims by Serono sales people that GH builds muscle. Note that testosterone and anabolic steroids have been proven to be anabolic to muscle tissue, and testosterone has been shown to significantly increase muscle growth, but because of the deception of Serono's sales people many HIV(+) people who have needed anabolic steroids to build their bodies and their health have been given Serostim GH by well-intentioned, but misinformed physicians..."
Growth hormone may have some benefit to elderly men wishing to have slightly elevated fat burning, but if you are using GH to gain muscle, you are wasting your money.
-Stew
Does this mean I am totally wasting my time and money taking serostim. I am using 6 i.u./ day along with about 750-1000mg test per week, 400mg EQ per week, and winny and fina every other day. I have done cycle's like this before, but this is the first time adding the GH. Anyone out there have anything positive to say about serostim or should I just forget it? I planned on staying on it for about 4-5 months.
M.O.D
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stew meat,
you are by far one of the most knowledgeable guys on the board and i look forward to all your posts..but for me gh has done me well....last year i did some genortropin which i only gained water...my ankles were so swollen i couldnt be on my feet for very long....got off that shit quick..
but this time around its been quite different...im on very mild dose of primo and even lower amount of test...but i have been doing 4 units of serostim.....so far from day 1 to present i went from 220 to 235...25% BF down to 16%,,maybe a bit lower by now...my face is crystal clear...small wrinkles on my forehead and around my eyes are almost gone..that is truly amazing to me.....
i know everyone is different maybe im just lucky and my body is doing well with it.....i know it has to be the GH because the other gear is so a low dose to do much....
looking for some humatrope for later on in the year to see how that one works..
you are by far one of the most knowledgeable guys on the board and i look forward to all your posts..but for me gh has done me well....last year i did some genortropin which i only gained water...my ankles were so swollen i couldnt be on my feet for very long....got off that shit quick..
but this time around its been quite different...im on very mild dose of primo and even lower amount of test...but i have been doing 4 units of serostim.....so far from day 1 to present i went from 220 to 235...25% BF down to 16%,,maybe a bit lower by now...my face is crystal clear...small wrinkles on my forehead and around my eyes are almost gone..that is truly amazing to me.....
i know everyone is different maybe im just lucky and my body is doing well with it.....i know it has to be the GH because the other gear is so a low dose to do much....
looking for some humatrope for later on in the year to see how that one works..
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Stew Meat
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big moose said:
No, you will experience a slightly higher degree of fat burning... however, be warned GH side effects are neither reversable or preventable. There may be a slim possibility of additional gains in contractile protein when used in conjunction with steroids, but the gains are probably not signifigant. Stick with steroids and you can't go wrong.
Now, I'm sure someone is going to come along and say "I made good gains from serostim..."
But you can rest assured that there was nothing in the serostim to influence muscle gains other than the manufactor's claims... I have seen no evidence that there is any benifit of muscular anabolism at any dose used in conjunction with anything.
-Stew
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BTW, it is interesting to note that after the information on the effects of Serostim was published, Searle began to pay kickbacks to doctors who would write Serostim scripts and convince insurance companies to cover it...
-Stew
-Stew
