GH and T4

[Anthony Roberts]

Go to anabolic fitness and read the thread "Ulter and other GH users" they find that anthony roberts does not make a compelling case for t-4 with gh, most find it's a waste of money. you can run t-3 at a lower and cheaper dose, 25mcg. seems like it's been discussed over there for a long time and just recently comes up when there's a new edition of somebodys book to sell.

I think that myself and the PhD who authored the piece with me make a pretty compelling argument, actually

But I suppose I'm biased. The majority of people who have used it with T3 as well as T4 have found that T4 is the better route to go, also. It's probably only at about 75%+ though...not what I hoped for, but still very significant. Steroid.com and SteroidSuperBoard both have tons of positive feedback from people who have tried it both ways...as well as some other boards I've seen. The board you mention is probably the only one where the majority is against it.

 

[kbrkbr]

I think that myself and the PhD who authored the piece with me make a pretty compelling argument, actually

But I suppose I'm biased. The majority of people who have used it with T3 as well as T4 have found that T4 is the better route to go, also. It's probably only at about 75%+ though...not what I hoped for, but still very significant. Steroid.com and SteroidSuperBoard both have tons of positive feedback from people who have tried it both ways...as well as some other boards I've seen. The board you mention is probably the only one where the majority is against it.

I'm using t4, per AR's article, and am very happy with the results.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm using t4, per AR's article, and am very happy with the results.

That's the true test in my opinion. On most boards there's been a paradigm shift and GH is now being used with T4 more than T3, and the majority of people are very happy with the end result.

 

[all the whey]

I'm using t4, per AR's article, and am very happy with the results.

What were your results?

What was you dose of hgh and t4?

Have you used t3 with hgh?

Thanks alot.

 

[kbrkbr]

What were your results?

What was you dose of hgh and t4?

Have you used t3 with hgh?

Thanks alot.

As I stated before, my original motive for using t4 was to combat the lethargy that accompanied my gh regimine (8iu EOD) The side benefit is that it seems to have enhanced gh's ability to fight fat. I can't really say whether this is the result of some synergy between gh and t4, as AR argues, or because the t4 has cranked up my metabolism. Regardless, this has resulted in my actually getting leaner in the face of a seriously flawed diet. (My father is in terrible shape -- essentially he's dying -- and I've spent the last two months flying between LA and the midwest to care for him while trying to maintain my work schedule. Without accesss to my kitchen, I've been living on junk/fast food and still continue to drop a couple of lbs of fat/month.)

I started off using 50mcg ED, then slowly titrated upwards until I hit 200. On days that I know are going to challenging, I might go up to 300, but I never do that two days in a row.

I tried t3 years ago and didn't find it to be as lipolytic as this gh/t4 combo seems to be, so I tend to think that there's something to AR's argument.


Hope this helps.

 

[Lawtown13]

How long do you run the T4 before taking a break?

As I stated before, my original motive for using t4 was to combat the lethargy that accompanied my gh regimine (8iu EOD) The side benefit is that it seems to have enhanced gh's ability to fight fat. I can't really say whether this is the result of some synergy between gh and t4, as AR argues, or because the t4 has cranked up my metabolism. Regardless, this has resulted in my actually getting leaner in the face of a seriously flawed diet. (My father is in terrible shape -- essentially he's dying -- and I've spent the last two months flying between LA and the midwest to care for him while trying to maintain my work schedule. Without accesss to my kitchen, I've been living on junk/fast food and still continue to drop a couple of lbs of fat/month.)

I started off using 50mcg ED, then slowly titrated upwards until I hit 200. On days that I know are going to challenging, I might go up to 300, but I never do that two days in a row.

I tried t3 years ago and didn't find it to be as lipolytic as this gh/t4 combo seems to be, so I tend to think that there's something to AR's argument.


Hope this helps.

 

[informed09]

mayb I should try T4 since I have already tried it with T3. Then I will have a true comparison. How do you recommend taking it? dose? and time period?

That's the true test in my opinion. On most boards there's been a paradigm shift and GH is now being used with T4 more than T3, and the majority of people are very happy with the end result.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm noticing a trend where people are using it have found good results with about 100mcgs.

 

[all the whey]

As I stated before, my original motive for using t4 was to combat the lethargy that accompanied my gh regimine (8iu EOD) The side benefit is that it seems to have enhanced gh's ability to fight fat. I can't really say whether this is the result of some synergy between gh and t4, as AR argues, or because the t4 has cranked up my metabolism. Regardless, this has resulted in my actually getting leaner in the face of a seriously flawed diet. (My father is in terrible shape -- essentially he's dying -- and I've spent the last two months flying between LA and the midwest to care for him while trying to maintain my work schedule. Without accesss to my kitchen, I've been living on junk/fast food and still continue to drop a couple of lbs of fat/month.)

I started off using 50mcg ED, then slowly titrated upwards until I hit 200. On days that I know are going to challenging, I might go up to 300, but I never do that two days in a row.

I tried t3 years ago and didn't find it to be as lipolytic as this gh/t4 combo seems to be, so I tend to think that there's something to AR's argument.


Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply. I will add t-4.

Sorry to hear about your father.

 

[Dr James Daemon]

Hi Guys,

I noticed some loose ends here- Here is my opinion

I definitely think I could benefit from either t3 or t4 with my GH, but I don't want to be too jumpy.

Thyroid Hormones sensitize the heart to circulating catecholamines- essentialy priming them respond optimally to adren/norandre. So the potential Synergy with Clen and Ephedrine is, well, pretty self explanitory.
That explains the jumpiness!!


yeah what is the lethargy with gh all about? does it have to do with all the cells dividing requires lots of cellular energy and in turn your body needs more energy just to go about its daily routine?

I had an idea that I unfurled in an article that bioenergetics points to there being a finite amount of energy available within the cell at any given time. So for a cell to hypertrophy (AAS) and Hyperplasia(HGH) simultaneously, is a little ambitious. There is an argument that a hypertrophying cell will place itself closer to the point in the cell cycle where it will divide, but this is an argument at this stage. Anecdotal lethargy seems to support the original hypothesis- the supply of raw materials and energy to enable both process to happen optimally is a little unlikley- but this is conjecture.


Go to anabolic fitness and read the thread "Ulter and other GH users" they find that anthony roberts does not make a compelling case for t-4 with gh, most find it's a waste of money. you can run t-3 at a lower and cheaper dose, 25mcg. seems like it's been discussed over there for a long time and just recently comes up when there's a new edition of somebodys book to sell.


ooooo!That was a little below the belt. What about you..? Do you have an opinion..? Can you find something to dispute in the article itself..? Have you tried it...? Not wishing to sound inflammatory, but give it a go, then decide- We both have.

I started off using 50mcg ED, then slowly titrated upwards until I hit 200. On days that I know are going to challenging, I might go up to 300, but I never do that two days in a row.

Not being pedantic, but T4 takes up to two weeks to "come on" in the pharmacological sense, T3 between 24-72 hours. A pool of the stuff builds up rather than going straight into the bloodstream, so taking some on the day will be unlikley to affect hormone levels within a few hours substantially...Just MO!

Hope this helps!