Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Ive taken GH and Insulin before,but only used the insulin ( Humalog ) post workout.I want to up the Insulin to 2 - 3 times per day.I will be using GH @ 2 x 3 iu shots per day.When would be the best times to take the Insulin and the GH? I understand that you have to time the two so far apart,am i right in saying this?Any input appreciated,thanks in advance.
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Hey bro,
To save you time from reading all that...take your gh and slin together upon waking before your first meal and immediatley postworkout. I would use the humulin-R in the morning and humalog post training for best results. Also, you might want to consider throwing in a little t3(25mcg./day) to keep the old throid functioning properly. My $.02.
To save you time from reading all that...take your gh and slin together upon waking before your first meal and immediatley postworkout. I would use the humulin-R in the morning and humalog post training for best results. Also, you might want to consider throwing in a little t3(25mcg./day) to keep the old throid functioning properly. My $.02.
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The new craz is to do 18 IUs days 1 -- 14 then rest days 15 ---27 then 18 IUs days 28 to 42.
this mimics the same as a new born baby...
this mimics the same as a new born baby...
You should never take your GH and insulin together, thats a big No,No!!! I you take your GH in the AM, wait atleast 2 to 3 hours before you take your shot of insulin. Insulin lowers your levels of GH, so why take the two together and waste the effects and the money of GH. I was always told never to take the 2 together and i was told by probably the most intelligent bodybuilder out there.
Ahhh Yes, GH and Slin - TOGETHER
From Anabolics.com
Growth hormone (GH) is one of the most sought after bodybuilding drugs due to its' legendary abilities to strip off body fat and increase muscle mass. The former is accomplished through direct lipolysis (fat release from adipocytes), which GH does to an incredible degree. Muscle mass acquisition is accomplished through: the direct stimulation of protein synthesis, increasing amino acid uptake by muscle cells, and by greatly stimulating IGF-1 synthesis in the liver. It is this last point that is of interest to us because it is the main anabolic mechanism for GH, and it is also where insulin comes in to play. More than half of GHs' anabolic effect is due to IGF-1 production, but unfortunately this is quite often wasted. This is because IGF-1 has an extremely short half life in the bloodstream, so it usually doesn't reach many target tissues (muscles for our interest) to exert maximum anabolic effect. To rectify this situation, insulin can be used to increase the amount of an IGF-1 binding protein (specifically IGF1-BP3) that actually helps IGF-1 to reach the muscles and exert its' extreme anabolism. Insulin also reduces the amount of "bad" IGF1 BP's, (BP's 2 and 4) that would normally interfere with IGF-1 uptake and use by muscle. To say that there is a synergistic effect between insulin and GH doesn't do the combination justice. It makes me shudder to think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on GH, without using it to the maximum anabolic potential. From a fat loss perspective, GH is incredible. It should directly negate the lipogenic effect of insulin, leaving you with one KICK ASS combination.
From Anabolics.com
Growth hormone (GH) is one of the most sought after bodybuilding drugs due to its' legendary abilities to strip off body fat and increase muscle mass. The former is accomplished through direct lipolysis (fat release from adipocytes), which GH does to an incredible degree. Muscle mass acquisition is accomplished through: the direct stimulation of protein synthesis, increasing amino acid uptake by muscle cells, and by greatly stimulating IGF-1 synthesis in the liver. It is this last point that is of interest to us because it is the main anabolic mechanism for GH, and it is also where insulin comes in to play. More than half of GHs' anabolic effect is due to IGF-1 production, but unfortunately this is quite often wasted. This is because IGF-1 has an extremely short half life in the bloodstream, so it usually doesn't reach many target tissues (muscles for our interest) to exert maximum anabolic effect. To rectify this situation, insulin can be used to increase the amount of an IGF-1 binding protein (specifically IGF1-BP3) that actually helps IGF-1 to reach the muscles and exert its' extreme anabolism. Insulin also reduces the amount of "bad" IGF1 BP's, (BP's 2 and 4) that would normally interfere with IGF-1 uptake and use by muscle. To say that there is a synergistic effect between insulin and GH doesn't do the combination justice. It makes me shudder to think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on GH, without using it to the maximum anabolic potential. From a fat loss perspective, GH is incredible. It should directly negate the lipogenic effect of insulin, leaving you with one KICK ASS combination.
I disagree with TPH. GH should not be taken right after your workout because your natural GH levels are already peaking from your workout, also it should not be taken right before bed because you dont want to interfere with your natural GH release. You are suppose to space out your Gh and insulin shot. You should take the GH and then wait 2 hours before taking your insulin shot. Taken them together at once will negate the GH. If that statement that TPH put is from Jeff Summers well then all i have to say is Anything that comes out of Jeff Summers mouth is total garbage. I would listen to my mother before i listened to him on GH or Steroid use
steveo: I agree that it is not optimal to take the GH or insulin for that matter before bed. For me, I train late at night, so that is when I believe it is most optimal to take the insulin since that is when I take the glut. and creatine.
I am not a chemist or a doctor, but I have studied up on this a bit. Regarding the statement that GH and insulin work well together do you disagree that insulin can be used to increase the amount of IGF1-BP3? Which in turn helps IGF-1 to reach the muscles.
At any rate, we should keep this bumped because I believe most of the Vets and Mods have suggested taking the GH and insulin together.
Thanks
I am not a chemist or a doctor, but I have studied up on this a bit. Regarding the statement that GH and insulin work well together do you disagree that insulin can be used to increase the amount of IGF1-BP3? Which in turn helps IGF-1 to reach the muscles.
At any rate, we should keep this bumped because I believe most of the Vets and Mods have suggested taking the GH and insulin together.
Thanks
TPH, I agree with you that insulin can be used to increase the amount of IGF-BP3, which does help IGF-1 reach the muscles. It’s speculated that GH stimulates uptake of about half of the 9 or so essential amino acids into muscle, while insulin stimulates the uptake (or prevents the loss) of the complimentary half. However I was always taught that they should be spaced out at about 2 hours from each other for maximum anabolic effect
ASTRAL FITNESS
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Bump this is a good topic.
elevated GH temporarily reduces insulin sensitivity I know this
I would think taking short acting insulin immeadiately after workout with high carb shake and then taking GH 1/2 to 2 hours later would conceivably work well. I'll have to research this a bit more
elevated GH temporarily reduces insulin sensitivity I know this
I would think taking short acting insulin immeadiately after workout with high carb shake and then taking GH 1/2 to 2 hours later would conceivably work well. I'll have to research this a bit more
ASTRAL FITNESS
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I'm gonna have to bump this again.
Thanks fellas!
Thanks fellas!
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=162170
This thread includes a very interesting discussion by some very smart people of all aspects of GH supplementation. The insulin resistance issue is covered as well, if you read the whole thread. It's my opinion, and that of most researcher's, that insulin WITH GH is essential for proper results. Insulin insensitivity is the strongest bodily defense mechanism to an influx of exogenous (injected synthetic) hGH.
This thread includes a very interesting discussion by some very smart people of all aspects of GH supplementation. The insulin resistance issue is covered as well, if you read the whole thread. It's my opinion, and that of most researcher's, that insulin WITH GH is essential for proper results. Insulin insensitivity is the strongest bodily defense mechanism to an influx of exogenous (injected synthetic) hGH.
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