Getting ripped - contest prep.....

[SteelWeaver]

Hang on W6 - I don't understand why you quoted that section I said. When I say I dropped water and sodium when I started carbing up, I didn't mean dropped completely, I meant "cut", as in, followed what you told me to do to the letter. I can't remember exactly, but it was about 8l up til Thursday, then 4 on Fri, 2 on Sat, then a little before prejudging on Sun, then I didn't worry after that. Sodium was somewhere between 5 and 8g table salt, maybe, which I dropped in half or maybe less, I think, on the Fri.

So ...... did I slip up? You said now to drop sodium and water by only a third .... I just assumed it was the carb amount that wasn't enough. I was only a *bit* flat - mostly I was just fat, lol, but dry.

And, as a matter of interest, what do you think about the difference gear makes in the carb load? Do naturals and juicers respond the same way? My impression is that if juicing one can load rather a lot more carbs, and the water isn't such a big issue. Is that correct?





JJ - you're not bad yourself Knock 'em dead!

 

[wilson6]

Misunderstood the sodium issue.

Probably didn't have enough carbs.

Regarding juice and glycogen storage. I'd say yes there is probably a positive effect, but a recent study also showed with women on OCs and early follicular phase glycogen loaded the same as men.

See abstract.

Title
Differential response of rat skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism to testosterone and estradiol.

CANADIAN JOURNAL OF PHYSIOLOGY AND PHARMACOLOGY. vol. 77, no. 4 (1999 Apr): 300-4.

Abstract

Although reports on sex steroids have implicated them as promoting protein synthesis and also providing extra strength to the skeletal muscle, it remains unclear whether sex steroids affect glycogen metabolism to provide energy for skeletal muscle functions, since glycogen metabolism is one of the pathways that provides energy for the skeletal muscle contraction and relaxation cycle. The purpose of the current study was to show that testosterone and estradiol act differentially on skeletal muscles from different regions, differentially with reference to glycogen metabolism. To study this hypothesis, healthy mature male Wistar rats (90-120 days of age, weighing about 180-200 g) were castrated (a bilateral orchidectomy was performed to test the significance of skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism in the absence of testosterone). One group of castrated rats was supplemented with testosterone (100 microg/100 g body weight, i.m., for 30 days from day 31 postcastration onwards). To test whether estradiol has any effect on male skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism 17beta-estradiol (5 microg/100 g body weight, i.m., for 30 days from day 31 postcastration onwards) was administered to orchidectomized rats. To test whether these sex steroids have any differential effect on skeletal muscles from different regions, skeletal muscles from the temporal region (temporalis), muscle of mastication (masseter), forearm muscle (triceps and biceps), thigh muscle (vastus lateralis and gracilis), and calf muscle (gastrocnemius and soleus) were considered. Castration enhanced blood glucose levels and decreased glycogen stores in skeletal muscle from head, jaw, forearm, thigh, and leg regions. This was accompanied by diminished activity of glycogen synthetase and enhanced activity of muscle phosphorylase. Following testosterone supplementation to castrated rats, a normal pattern of all these parameters was maintained. Estradiol administration to castrated rats did not bring about any significant alteration in any of the parameters. The data obtained suggest a stimulatory effect of testosterone on skeletal muscle glycogenesis and an inhibitory effect on glycogenolysis. Estradiol did not play any significant role in the skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism of male rats.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Thanks W6

 

[poohbear]

I've heard "old school" peeps mention distilled water, but the argument against it is that its basically "dead" water -- nothing else in it like all the trace stuff that your body supposedly needs. If you're gonna do diuretics also watch that your potassium...

Yes, distilled water does not contain electrolytes that nondistilled water has. Drinking DW may cause an electrolyte imbalace in your system. However, some like salt can be easy obtained from food... banana for K, etc.