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Getting ripped - contest prep.....

tripleV

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This is a great article by Gary Holmen

4 ) Getting Ripped for Your Contest
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Getting into contest shape tends to be one of the most discussed items
on the femuscle list and it tends to be discussed in a "this works for
me" sort of way. The only problem with this is that everyone is just
slightly different than each other... we all have the same goals but
sometimes we have to go about getting there in different ways. This
article should shed some light on some of these different methods and
what happens to our bodies as we prepare for our contests.

4.1 Water, Water Everywhere
---------------------------

The biggest change from a pre-contest diet to contest diet is water
intake. The depletion of water stores is what gives a competitor that
hard, ripped look. The following are all ways one can reduce their water
retention prior to contest time. (listed from my favourite to least.)

- A) Switch to distilled water about 2 weeks out from your contest.
Normal tap water has lots of minerals and sodium in it and
this just adds to water retention. My moving to distilled water
you know that the only stuff you're putting in your body is the
water that it needs.

- B) Cut out the sodium in your diet. In conjunction with switching to
distilled water start monitoring how much sodium you're intaking
about two weeks out. Keep your sodium levels well below 600 mg.
This is harder than it sounds... one egg white contains 50 mg
of sodium.

- C) Reduce your water consumption in these 2 weeks. For the first while
drink the distilled water at the same rate you would normally do
(about 3 days) and then slowly reduce your water intake so that
about 3 days out you're only intaking slightly more than you're
excreting. For me this change is from about 10 cups/day to about
3.5 cups at the end. Don't over deplete yourself 'cuz you won't
be able to train properly... slowly accustomize yourself to it.
Eliminate water in small increments rather than huge jumps.

As well reduce the amount of liquids you're getting from non-water
sources. Milk, juices, teas and coffees all add water to you...
these will basically have to be eliminated in your second week.

- D) Use a sauna or sun bathe to dehydrate yourself. Again be careful...
Don't over do this. Be careful of heat stroke... having a ripped
bod in the hospital isn't what we're aiming at. 8^)

- E) (My least favourite) Diurectics can be used to remove water from the
body as well but like all 'get results now' schemes this has the
greatest drawbacks. It's very easy to over deplete your body with
these or make yourself sick enough that competing won't be possible.

4.2 Diet
---------

I'ld suggest a form of carb depletion/loading scheme for your pre-contest
diet. (I don't suggest carb loading on a long term basis but on a short
term cycle there isn't much harm.)

About 4 weeks prior to your contest increase your protein intake slightly
so that carbs are only supplying about 50% of your total energy requirements
and proteins are about 35% and fat intake is around 15% (rough numbers.)

As well increase the amount of fibre that is included in your carb totals.
About 10-20g more fibre is plenty. (make sure these are included in your
calorie totals even though your body can't utilize them.)

This should accustomize your body to the use of protein as fuel. If you
start smelling like ammonia or your breath starts to smell like acetone
you're in ketosis (the point where the body starts relying on proteins as
the primary fuel.) Ketosis should be avoided for the first two weeks as muscle
mass is being lost as well as food proteins and that loss over 4 weeks could
be substantial. If you suspect you're in ketosis up your carb levels slightly.

About 13 days out you will start your carb depletion/loading cycles. I tend
to group my carb cycles in groups of 4 days with 3 days of carb depletion
and 1 day of carb replenshing and on the 13th day you compete. If you find
that longer or shorter cycles work better for you modify this slightly so
that the day before your competition you're on a carb loading phase.

Carb Depletion day: Up your protein intake on these days to replace carb
calories. The amount of carbs you eliminate depends largely on you... you'll
need to experiment a bit with this but I'ld suggest an intake around
20/65/15 carb::protein::fat ratio. Eat your carbs eariler in the day and
stick with either grains (oats, rice, corn) or veggies that have a fair bit
of fibre (brocolli, lettuce, etc.) Fruits and milk products are out (as I'll
explain later.)

Carb Loading Day: Once your body is carb depleted your muscles will have
eliminated most of it's glycogen stores ( both liver and muscle) so on
carb loading days the extra carbs ingested will go predominately to the
muscles and liver to be stored as glycogen. This tends to have a rebound
affect... if you really deplete your glycogen stores your muscles will
store larger than their normal glycogen levels... 20-40% more glycogen tend
to be quite normal. This will make your muscles seem larger and harder.

A ratio of 65/20/15 should given you good carb loading results. Again avoid
fruits and milk products.

Last Carb loading Day/ Competition day: Now that those final days are here
you want to get that glycogen and water back into those muscles. On this
last carb loading day you'll slightly increase your fat intake and eat most
of your proteins early and the day and slowly intake the remaining carbs/fat
evenly through the rest of the day. Carb feedings at around noon, 3:00, 9:00,
midnight and early in the morning are all good ideas as your muscles will
build up their glycogne levels. A ratio of around 55/20/25 is probably a
good target.

On competition day your diet depends whether or not you're close to your
weight class. If you're close or a little heavy you'll delay the following
advice until after the weigh in. Now you'll want to increase your sodium
levels (salty fries, chocolate bars and milk products are now all allowed....
probably will feel like heaven.) and increase your water levels slightly
(by 1 or 2 cups... drink when you feel thirsty but don't go overboard.)

Keep a normal carb/protein/fat intake on this day.

And once you're done competition go out and reward yourself! You deserve it.

4.3 Things to Avoid or Try
--------------------------

1) Keep a log of what you ate and what you did when you prepare for
competition. Noone is the same and you'll find that the easiest
person to learn from is yourself. If eating salty fries made you
bloat prior to one competition make a note of it and know to
avoid it next time.

2) A couple hours prior to competition have an ounce or so of liquer
(like Grande Marnier). This will increase your muscle vascularity
(how veiny you look.) as alcohol tends to increase the amount of
blood at the skin surface.

3) Avoid fruit and fruit juices prior to competition for two reasons:
a) they tend to have high water content and b) most contain fructose
as the main carb and fructose is used exclusively by the liver.
Muscles cannot create glycogen from fructose. Extra energy that the
liver cannot turn into glycogen will be stored as fat and utilized
from there.

4) Avoid milk products as they again tend to be high in water content and
soduum levels. On your competition day milk products like ice cream
should be fine though and I would even recommend a sundae on that
day prior to competition.

4.4 Exercising and Posing.
--------------------------

The primary exercising being done in the last two weeks is almost exclusively
aerobic (riding the bike, etc.) with only a few days needed to tell your
muscles that you still care about them. I'ld suggest aerobics 7 days per
week for about an hour each day and about 2 days of weightlifting of
about 45 minutes per day.

Aerobic exercise is being concentrated on as it will use up more of your
glycogen supplies, burn more fat and be less likely to injure yourself on.

Posing is an art form... many pros don't even do it well (see Yates'
routine for a prime example.). Before your first competition watch a few
competitions first and talk to a couple of judges if you can. See what you
like and what others like and how poses move smoothly from one to another.

As well I'ld suggest finding a trainer who has posing experience to help
you. And most of all practice... you should know your routine in your
sleep come competition day! Pose in front of the mirror and friends who
can be honest and critical... the best advice is what you're doing wrong
IMHO... that's what everyone else will really notice.
 
Dont agree w/ the water thing and some of the other stuff....but good reading....
 
I would think that reducing water intake two weeks out would be too detrimental to the body if you plan on continuing training? and wouldn't the second week out be the time that you would spend more time with the weights ?(high rep, high volume, light weight).. and less time with the cardio? your fat should most all be gone by this time, and doing such excessive cardio at the end while in such a depleted state could resort from first glycogen, and if not much readily available fat, then protein for energy...

who is this guy? does anyone have anybody (trainer, etc) else's take on that last week or last two weeks before a show?

I love to have info from all ends to run with... although I will follow only one's advice, its nice to hear what other people are saying.

dg
 
I've heard "old school" peeps mention distilled water, but the argument against it is that its basically "dead" water -- nothing else in it like all the trace stuff that your body supposedly needs. If you're gonna do diuretics also watch that your potassium levels don't get f'd up.

The 2 week water depletion sounds like pure misery. I've done water depletion starting on Wed - 2 gal, then 1, then 1/2, then sips on show day. By Friday you start getting a good feel for what it would be like to be in the desert 150 years ago w/ only the water you are carrying. Ugh.
 
Either you are lean or your not...I did manipulate my water my last week but i pushed my water heavy up to show time..actually increased my water sun-wed..to over 2 gallons..then went to 1.5 gallons..then 1/2-1 gallon the day before and just little sips the day of the show..doing it that far out from a show is crazy...really old school stuff.....you can do a lot w/ over the counter things like dandelion root and potassium...i ate sodium up to 2 days before...still ate it but not as much...i lost probably 6lbs of water that week when I weighed myself....Just dont really agree w/ that type of manipulation.....would hurt your training and just how you feel physically as well...doesnt have to be all out torture!
 
Distilled water aside. Cutting water and sodium 2 weeks out is a big mistake for many reasons.

Some of the ideas are still OK, but that article has alot of stuff that went out with the dinosaurs.

W6
 
W6...

Could we persuade u to post what u have found to work well with your clients the last few weeks before a show???

There are several of us here starting down that road....and would like to hear your ideas!

I know you posted some threads on diets...etc....but a detailed post like what Triple V started the thread with would be AWESOME!!

we respect your knowledge ya know!
 
Someday. Most of the stuff is out there somewhere in a thread. Right now I have too many other issues to deal with.

My only problem with some of the "old school" stuff is that is just doesn't make physiological sense. If anything, it is more counterproductive and makes everything harder (physically and psychologically) than it has to be.

The water for example. Low sodium and low water intake spell disaster for thermoregulation. If you're training in a hot gym, you'll end up hyponatremic and dehydrated in 24 hours. Then comes the cramping, fatigue, disorientation and risk of heat exhaustion. What gives muscle their shape is water, they are 75% water. Sodium is what keeps water in the body. Carbs is what pulls the water in, but sodium aids in this. Carbing up while dehydrated makes little sense since it is the water that follows the carbs into the muscle.

If you know what you're doing, there is no need to cut water or sodium at all. The problem with most BBs is that they are just plain fat and figure they'll correct the fat look by dehydrating. Doesn't work. You'll end up looking flat and fat and diuretics will be the final nail in the coffin should you take that route after 2 weeks of dehydration, assuming you last 2 weeks.

Most importantly, experiment with water and sodium changes several weeks from the show to see what happens.

Several years ago I had body comp'd one of the top pros of the time. She had won the Jan Tana the year before and was just flawless, hard as nails, vascular, ripped and full. The following year she competed at the Arnold. Under the advisement of one of the top guru's, she was advised to cut her water a few days out from the show. I comp'd her on Wed, prejudging was I believe Sat morning back then. Everything was the same as it was pre-Jan Tana. Normally, she would put on 5 lbs from Wed to Sat by carbing up, but by limiting her water, she lost another pound by Sat instead of adding 5. Came in about 6 lbs light or so. Hit the stage looking small and non-vascular and the measurements reflected this. She was crushed. Didn't compete after that. So much for cutting water.

The idea of doing just cardio two weeks out is bullshit as well. Lift moderate until the last week, then a light workout the first three days of the week for everything except legs (no leg workout). Cut the cardio back that week (none three days prior to the show except walking) to allow the muscles to glycogen replenish. If you're not contest ready % bodyfat by two weeks out, you've f**ked up your precontest dieting. The final two weeks should be refining your posing routine which should be mostly refined by 6 weeks out not trying to quick fix your screw ups. Practicing posing will keep you hard the last week. Keep fluids and sodium normal until about 24 hours out, then cut them by about 1/3, no more. Up the carbs a little beginning 48 hours out. If you start to look flat and non-vascular, add some water back in, but not sodium.

Do not use diuretics. They are no longer necessary and almost always spell disaster.

Lastly, do what works for you. Don't be asking for hard numbers (i.e, how many carbs should I eat, how much water, sodium, etc.)

Experiment and write things down. What works for you will not work for someone else exactly the same, and never do what the guys do if you're a female. Won't work unless you're well, and I mean well juiced. Maybe not even then.

Androgens, estrogens and progesterone all alter carbohydrate and fat metabolism. Thus, a juiced state is very different from a ovulatory phase which is different from a luteal phase with regard to metabolism.

W6
 
I agree with Wilson6 110%. One other thing about that article that I disagree with is the introduction of MORE fibrous carbs in the week precomp. This may be OK for men, but many women find that cutting veggies in the last week helps to get rid of that lower abdominal pouch. Remember, men and women are very different in their lower ab physiology, and anything sitting in your intestines is gonna show. But as said above, you need to play with these things a few weeks out, and everyone is different.
 
THANKS W6 & MS!!!

That's great info...and i'm definitely gonna reread some of W6's previous threads on the gal he trained...i remember there was great info there as well....

Definitely don't wanna go the "old school" way of starving...diuretics...etc....


thanks again both of ya'll!
 
I agree w/ MS on the veggies..I usually cut mine out tuesday before a show..
 
Any one who has successfully competed and acheived that dry, hard look knows that this info is pretty close to 100% wrong. Just on the water thing alone, sodium containing foods should be kept in until aprox 72 hours prior to show( depending on many factors), water should stay in and at high amounts until 16-24 hours prior to show, at this time it should be removed COMPLETELY, NO sipping! If you remove water sooner your body will hold on to interstitial fluid. At aprox. 3 days ( once again competitors training, diet, condition and own body is taken into account), dry carbs should be consumed in small amounts, but frequently throughout day. Dry carb ex. boil sweet potato with skin peeled off to allow sodium to leave then bake it dry. 1 type of carb only. Diuretics are very useful tools and should be used if necessary. Thiazides are best. Any way, this is just an extremly simple explanation to a very complicated process, but the primary point is that this info is sooooooo off. Some people are just very fortunate and don't need proper preparation, but it's rare.
 
If you cut veggies out the last week, what is left to eat? I guess this would be when you are adding the complex carbs back in?
 
I'd cut veggies just for fear of abdominal bloat... you want to remove all foods that could cause any gas, bloating, or anything out of the ordinary...
dg
 
Ha ha. Doesn't that include protein?



BTW MS & W6 - great info - you guys are the best. I think I'm in love with you both. :)
 
I've been on a cyclical diet for about 15 weeks and I've noticed it takes a couple days for me to drop the water I end up retaining after a carb load. My show is this Saturday; I was planning on carb loading on Wednesday, switching to protein and fat on Thursday and Friday, and Friday evening/Saturday morning switching to pure fat (nat peanut butter, so a little carb, but mainly fat).

I'm drinking 2 gallons h20 Monday - Wednesday, 1 1/2 gallons on Thursday, 3/4 gallon on Friday, sipping on Saturday.

I'm decreasing sodium on Thursday - Saturday (600 mg or less).

Is this a sound plan, or should I alter it?
 
OK, I've only done this once, but it worked for me, and since no-one else is popping in here ...

Your plan sounds fine except that you might want to consider carbing up from Thursday am to Friday pm, then do fat and protein only after that. Starting the carb-up early means there's more chance of looking squishy on the day IMO. OR, for that matter, flat. If you drop water and sodium at the same time you increase carbs, the carbs should suck up all the water that your kidneys aren't still trying to get rid of after the water load.

Basically, what W6 said. And he KNOWS :)
 
I had been debating carb loading on Wednesday vs. Thursday. It makes sense if I drop the sodium and water at the same time I'm carb loading I'll not retain water; I just wanted to err on the cautious side. Thursday sounds like a better plan for the carb load.

Anyone else want to chime in?
 
I've asked this question here before, JJ, and somehow, I'm not sure why, it's extremely difficult to get replies. I've speculated about it, and this is what I've come up with as to why:

a) (and this, I think, is the most likely reason) there are so many methods, so many variables, so many approaches, that it's difficult to give a precise plan. So much in this particular phase pre-comp is so individually based - it's almost impossible to say, "this plan will work", especially not over the internet. What works for one may be a complete f**k up for someone else ...

So then, why wouldn't people be willing to at least say what *they* did, and what worked for them??? That wouldn't be the same as prescribing - rather just adding to the general pool of knowledge from which one could synthesise one's OWN pre-comp. modus operandus, right?


Well, this is why I have b) and c) below:

b) Most of the people (women) on this board aren't actively competing (???? this is a guess on my part, based on the dearth of available concrete information/posts about it) I can think of less than 10 that I know about offhand. Of those who are competing, unless they *feel* like posting, or believe in cosmic karma, there is not much in it for them to write out a whole long blow by blow account of the last few days pre-comp.

c) Most of the women who ARE competing are using some kind of gear, thus their pre-comp prep. is unapplicable in many respects to naturals, and on top of that, there is an apparent reluctance on the part of people who are using to state their cycles exactly. I still haven't figured out if this is because of the legal issue, identity issues, or fear of flaming issues .....

I know it's frustrating, but these boards can only cover so much. What W6 posted above is a very good general plan - only practice and experimentation can really tell you what works and doesn't for your body. You already have a fairly good idea of how your body reacts to carbs - go with that.

For me, I loaded about 500g low GI carbs (the same ones I'd been dieting with) over the two days before the comp. I sodium loaded from 2 weeks out, water loaded from the Monday before (my show was Sunday). Dropped water and sodium when I started carb loading, ate protein and fat only after 6pm the night before. I was told I was a bit flat at the pre-judging, and ate cookies before the free-posing round, which seemed to improve things. This time I think I will increase the carb load by 100g or so.

Good luck girl. I'm sure you're gonna be great :)
 
JJ,

Tell me why you are carb loading?

and....think about these two prior comments.

"It makes sense if I drop the sodium and water at the same time I'm carb loading I'll not retain water"

"Dropped water and sodium when I started carb loading, ate protein and fat only after 6pm the night before. I was told I was a bit flat at the pre-judging"

Put all the pieces of the puzzle together and you'll have the answer you seek.

W6
 
I did exactly what Wilson6 told me to do and I was freaking shredded and I felt great, no diuretics or anything stupid/harsh like that. Listen to wilson and you will be set, I was on stage with the other girls and it was just an amazing the difference my body was compared to there's. They all looked flat and malnourished, I looked plump full of water in my muscles and dry everywhere else. It felt great :) Thanks again wilson :)
 
W6 - I just really need a refeed; I keep my carbs really low (<30 g/day) and refeed w/ carbs only every 3 days. I'm absolutely dying today - mainly because I didn't refeed w/ enough calories on Sunday due to life interferences. I'm definitely holding some water right now, and I would end up holding more after a refeed. I just wanted to make sure I had enough time to drop that water.

I wasn't going to completely drop water, just gradually decrease it. I was also going to make sure I'm not taking in added sodium on Thursday and Friday; just stick w/ oatmeal & c.o.w. for my refeed; chicken and efas for Friday; nat peanut butter for Saturday.
 
Where the water goes, is what is important.

To carb up and look full you need water and sodium. But, you want the water in the muscle, not under the skin. Water follows carbohydrate into the muscle.

"Keep fluids and sodium normal until about 24 hours out, then cut them by about 1/3, no more. Up the carbs a little beginning 48 hours out. If you start to look flat and non-vascular, add some water back in, but not sodium. "

and...you should be taking in about 3 grams or so of sodium up to that point. If you cut your sodium to about one gram 24 - 36 hrs. out you'll start dropping water. It comes from the vascular compartment then is drawn from sub-Q so at 36 hrs out from a sodium cut, you should look fine. If you cut is sooner, your body will begin to compensate.

The idea of dropping sodium and cutting water days from a show is old-school insanity and counterproductive, as are diuretics.

The other thing to remember, if you're consuming lots of sodium to begin with, then small changes in sodium will have little effect on water. For example, if you're consuming 3 grams a day and by accident take in 300 mg in some food, that is only an additional 10%. Probably not going to make much difference, but if you're restricting to 500 mg per day, a 300 mg intake would be a 60% increase. It is all relative.

W6
 
Thank you very much for the clarification, W6! I think all this dieting makes me a little dense. :-) Just to regurgitate (to prove I've woken up), you need to intake water as you're carb loading to fill the muscles with water. Sorry it had to take you a couple times of telling me that for me to get it. :-)

You've also pointed out women don't need to load like the men do per se - luckily I've figured that one out after hearing what some of the men load on.
 
JJFigure, I have no tips to contribute, but I just wanted to wish you luck with your competition. :) Knock 'em dead.
 
Hang on W6 - I don't understand why you quoted that section I said. When I say I dropped water and sodium when I started carbing up, I didn't mean dropped completely, I meant "cut", as in, followed what you told me to do to the letter. I can't remember exactly, but it was about 8l up til Thursday, then 4 on Fri, 2 on Sat, then a little before prejudging on Sun, then I didn't worry after that. Sodium was somewhere between 5 and 8g table salt, maybe, which I dropped in half or maybe less, I think, on the Fri.

So ...... did I slip up? You said now to drop sodium and water by only a third .... I just assumed it was the carb amount that wasn't enough. I was only a *bit* flat - mostly I was just fat, lol, but dry.

And, as a matter of interest, what do you think about the difference gear makes in the carb load? Do naturals and juicers respond the same way? My impression is that if juicing one can load rather a lot more carbs, and the water isn't such a big issue. Is that correct?





JJ - you're not bad yourself :) Knock 'em dead!
 
Misunderstood the sodium issue.

Probably didn't have enough carbs.

Regarding juice and glycogen storage. I'd say yes there is probably a positive effect, but a recent study also showed with women on OCs and early follicular phase glycogen loaded the same as men.

See abstract.

Title
Differential response of rat skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism to testosterone and estradiol.

CANADIAN JOURNAL OF PHYSIOLOGY AND PHARMACOLOGY. vol. 77, no. 4 (1999 Apr): 300-4.

Abstract

Although reports on sex steroids have implicated them as promoting protein synthesis and also providing extra strength to the skeletal muscle, it remains unclear whether sex steroids affect glycogen metabolism to provide energy for skeletal muscle functions, since glycogen metabolism is one of the pathways that provides energy for the skeletal muscle contraction and relaxation cycle. The purpose of the current study was to show that testosterone and estradiol act differentially on skeletal muscles from different regions, differentially with reference to glycogen metabolism. To study this hypothesis, healthy mature male Wistar rats (90-120 days of age, weighing about 180-200 g) were castrated (a bilateral orchidectomy was performed to test the significance of skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism in the absence of testosterone). One group of castrated rats was supplemented with testosterone (100 microg/100 g body weight, i.m., for 30 days from day 31 postcastration onwards). To test whether estradiol has any effect on male skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism 17beta-estradiol (5 microg/100 g body weight, i.m., for 30 days from day 31 postcastration onwards) was administered to orchidectomized rats. To test whether these sex steroids have any differential effect on skeletal muscles from different regions, skeletal muscles from the temporal region (temporalis), muscle of mastication (masseter), forearm muscle (triceps and biceps), thigh muscle (vastus lateralis and gracilis), and calf muscle (gastrocnemius and soleus) were considered. Castration enhanced blood glucose levels and decreased glycogen stores in skeletal muscle from head, jaw, forearm, thigh, and leg regions. This was accompanied by diminished activity of glycogen synthetase and enhanced activity of muscle phosphorylase. Following testosterone supplementation to castrated rats, a normal pattern of all these parameters was maintained. Estradiol administration to castrated rats did not bring about any significant alteration in any of the parameters. The data obtained suggest a stimulatory effect of testosterone on skeletal muscle glycogenesis and an inhibitory effect on glycogenolysis. Estradiol did not play any significant role in the skeletal muscle glycogen metabolism of male rats.
 
Sassy69 said:
I've heard "old school" peeps mention distilled water, but the argument against it is that its basically "dead" water -- nothing else in it like all the trace stuff that your body supposedly needs. If you're gonna do diuretics also watch that your potassium...

Yes, distilled water does not contain electrolytes that nondistilled water has. Drinking DW may cause an electrolyte imbalace in your system. However, some like salt can be easy obtained from food... banana for K, etc.
 
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