Getting ready to start first cycle need help!!

[trapjaw]

Ok heres the thing getting ready to start my first cycle. I'm gonna do a deca d-bol stack> I don't know how long of a cycle to take and I was just also wondering how much quality mass wil I keep as far as upper chest arm's and lats go. Also what kind of cycle should I go on after that to get more toned ripped etc. I am about 250 right now and I want to put some mass on the above stated I would like to get to a lean 225 230 range without looking to small any help would be greatly apperciated.

 

[ceo]

wait, so...you're like...kinda...fat right now??

Here we go again. How old are you? How long you been training? How long you been training seriously? What was your starting weight? Weight now? How tall are you? What are your goals?

Man I'm too tired for this tonight...someone please take over.

 

[bw1]

Need more info. Height, years training, current BF, diet, etc. I would start with a single compound for first cycle.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

and to add to the above, dbol deca is horrible first cycle, test only

 

[trapjaw]

wait, so...you're like...kinda...fat right now??

Here we go again. How old are you? How long you been training? How long you been training seriously? What was your starting weight? Weight now? How tall are you? What are your goals?

Man I'm too tired for this tonight...someone please take over.

No fat. 28. 2 yrs. 2 yrs. 250lbs. 250lbs. 6'. Goals are put on quality mass and thickness in my upper chest arms and lats.Want to get where I want to be in those areas and then focus more on leaning out. Thanks for the help

 

[xrsist]

so your saying in the 2 years youv been training your body weight hasnt changed?

 

[GUARDIAN]

Do you know what AI's are? Do u have a PCT planned? How much muscle have u put on in your training naturally? BF%?

 

[Para_Shoot]

I agree with the DECA/D-Ball being a terrible first cycle. After all the additional posts he has still not posted stats...

 

[ceo]

so your saying in the 2 years youv been training your body weight hasnt changed?

yeah. +1

kinda confusing isn't it?

Any idea what your bodyfat % is trapjaw?

 

[big greg 82]

i think you should hold off right now get the diet in check then when you are ready do a test only for 10wks.

 

[trapjaw]

yeah. +1

kinda confusing isn't it?

Any idea what your bodyfat % is trapjaw?

28 percent

 

[silverskyline]

28 percent

Oh this is not gonna be good

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Honestly?...NO CYCLE, lots of cardio and diet and training.

Then read everything you can on here for say 2-3 months.

Then ask questions about cycles.

 

[silverskyline]

I honestly feel for ya man, I've never wanted to ever do a cycle evenw ith the Corps and Football behind me but once I got that nugget in my head to try it it's all I wanted to do, but listen to the guys here you'll be glad you did.

Check out the Diet and Nutrition/Weight lifting forums for a bit (everyone always turns around a couple months later and go I'm sooo glad I waited or I sooo should have waited!)

But if your gonna go for it anyhow your gonna so try to stay away from the Deca and make SURE you get an AI anti E PCT proper for the cycle!!!

 

[dabuffguy]

Ok heres the thing getting ready to start my first cycle. I'm gonna do a deca d-bol stack> I don't know how long of a cycle to take and I was just also wondering how much quality mass wil I keep as far as upper chest arm's and lats go. Also what kind of cycle should I go on after that to get more toned ripped etc. I am about 250 right now and I want to put some mass on the above stated I would like to get to a lean 225 230 range without looking to small any help would be greatly apperciated.

A lean 225-230? How tall are you? That's pretty huge bro, and if you are under 6' that is really huge. That takes years and years of work. Just going for a cycle isn't going to get you there. You need to get a lot leaner and bigger naturally before using roids.

Deca and dbol is not a good first cycle like veryone has said. Use test and dbol.

Everyone that says just run test, I agree with and for 12 weeks, but I personally would run an oral with test like dbol for the 1st 4 weeks.


But, If i were you I wouldn't do anything at all.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Deca/dbol is terrible anytime stack if you're probe to gyno. If you have 28% bf you very well might be.

28% is fat bro. Gear ain't gonna help you. Diet and exercise is the way.


I never did and never will understand why ANYONE uses gear to cut.


STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS.


So when I see someone right out of the gate getting it wrong, it's especially upsetting.

 

[silverskyline]

A lean 225-230? How tall are you? That's pretty huge bro, and if you are under 6' that is really huge. That takes years and years of work. Just going for a cycle isn't going to get you there. You need to get a lot leaner and bigger naturally before using roids.

Deca and dbol is not a good first cycle like veryone has said. Use test and dbol.

Everyone that says just run test, I agree with and for 12 weeks, but I personally would run an oral with test like dbol for the 1st 4 weeks.


But, If i were you I wouldn't do anything at all.

I was curious abou that my self lean at that size would have indicated to me he has been lifting for more than 2 years easy, but then he said 28 percent, thats not entirely lean (at least to my standards...just sayin) not to knock the guy

 

[dabuffguy]

28 percent

So you are 250 lbs at 28 % bf. meaning that 28% of your total body weight is fat. So you have 70 lbs of fat on your body.

If you had the same muscle structure but at 10 % BF you would weigh about 205 lbs. How tall are you?

At that body f weight, steroids will just fuck you up dude. The sestrogen build up and stuff will totally screw you over. You'll get stronger, but you'll get HBP that for you and your health right now is very unsafe and stupid to do.

 

[dabuffguy]

I was curious abou that my self lean at that size would have indicated to me he has been lifting for more than 2 years easy, but then he said 28 percent, thats not entirely lean (at least to my standards...just sayin) not to knock the guy

Shit, I'm 6'2" and 215 and people think I'm fairly big, def bigger than most people. At 230 and same bf% I would look like the Rock, being he is 6'3" and 235 (right now anyways like in the Rundown or his newer movie where he was the football player with the daughter and he looks awesome.)

 

[xrsist]

28 percent

in all honesty you need to dial your diet in and concentrate on your training especially AM cardio
there is no need for aas at this stage mate

 

[silverskyline]

Deca/dbol is terrible anytime stack if you're probe to gyno. If you have 28% bf you very well might be.

28% is fat bro. Gear ain't gonna help you. Diet and exercise is the way.


I never did and never will understand why ANYONE uses gear to cut.


STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS.


So when I see someone right out of the gate getting it wrong, it's especially upsetting.

Hey Nelson how was your trip! Glad to see ya back bro!

 

[silverskyline]

Shit, I'm 6'2" and 215 and people think I'm fairly big, def bigger than most people. At 230 and same bf% I would look like the Rock, being he is 6'3" and 235 (right now anyways like in the Rundown or his newer movie where he was the football player with the daughter and he looks awesome.)

True that I actuially saw that movie...chick made me watch it, it was alright but yeah he looks solid and might I add (I know it's holly wood) but he was "carb cycling" hahahah!

Nice touch!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, everyone's pretty drilled into ya what you gotta do... but let me just add this... if you DID lose a significant amount of bodyfat and got down to say 15% (for starters), I guarantee you'd look much more muscular right off the bat... less fat gives the illusion of more muscle.

 

[ceo]

28 percent

yeah. I had a feeling this was the case. Stay away from steroids until you get that bodyfat down bro. Get to around 10-14%. Hell, once you get there with a good diet, training program and cardio, you may like the results and not want to do steroids anymore!

Go to the training forum and read the sticky about training info. Choose a program that will make you track your progression (of weight lifted) and go with that and some cardio. You've been working out for 2 years and are the exact same weight. Either your bodyfat was 48% and you've got it down to 28% or your routine sucks ass. Not sure what you're doing but I'm pretty sure you could be doing better.

Cut your carbs down to minimal - low GI carbs in the am. and high GI carbs only post workout. No carbs after 6pm (unless your workout is after 6pm - but only protein and veggies at dinner). Don't eat fast food. Don't eat carbs with fats. Make all your fats healthy fats. Fish oil, olive oil, flax oil are good sources.

Get a good green tea extract. It's cheap, a great antioxidant, very good for your health, and a proven thermogenic (fat burner). Find one with levels around 90% polyphenols, 70% catechins, and 50% EGCG(epigallocatechin) - or better. Take the equivelent capsules to 10-12 cups of green tea (should be about 4 caps).

Eat about 1.5 grams protein per lb. of bodyweight. Eat your protein first in a meal, your carbs next (very little of these) then veggies (lots of these, like brocolli - yum). Fats should be taken last, but never with carbs. You can combine your oils (like a tbsp or 2 of olive oil) in a protein shake (again, protein only, no carb loaded weight gain shake). I hope this goes without saying but make sure you break up your meals into like 5-6 meals a day or so (smaller portions throughout the day).

Diet is going to be about 80% of your focus, because it's about 80% of your problem. Keep a journal of what you're eating if you don't believe me. Start a log for your workouts too. Keep your diet as clean as possible. Steroids are defnitely NOT your answer at this point. You'll gain weight and probably not lose any.

You may also consider hiring a personal trainer if you're really frustrated and feel you've been doing everything mostly correct so far.

 

[silverskyline]

yeah. I had a feeling this was the case. Stay away from steroids until you get that bodyfat down bro. Get to around 10-14%. Hell, once you get there with a good diet, training program and cardio, you may like the results and not want to do steroids anymore!

Go to the training forum and read the sticky about training info. Choose a program that will make you track your progression (of weight lifted) and go with that and some cardio. You've been working out for 2 years and are the exact same weight. Either your bodyfat was 48% and you've got it down to 28% or your routine sucks ass. Not sure what you're doing but I'm pretty sure you could be doing better.

Cut your carbs down to minimal - low GI carbs in the am. and high GI carbs only post workout. No carbs after 6pm (unless your workout is after 6pm - but only protein and veggies at dinner). Don't eat fast food. Don't eat carbs with fats. Make all your fats healthy fats. Fish oil, olive oil, flax oil are good sources.

Get a good green tea extract. It's cheap, a great antioxidant, very good for your health, and a proven thermogenic (fat burner). Find one with levels around 90% polyphenols, 70% catechins, and 50% EGCG(epigallocatechin) - or better. Take the equivelent capsules to 10-12 cups of green tea (should be about 4 caps).

Eat about 1.5 grams protein per lb. of bodyweight. Eat your protein first in a meal, your carbs next (very little of these) then veggies (lots of these, like brocolli - yum). Fats should be taken last, but never with carbs. You can combine your oils (like a tbsp or 2 of olive oil) in a protein shake (again, protein only, no carb loaded weight gain shake). I hope this goes without saying but make sure you break up your meals into like 5-6 meals a day or so (smaller portions throughout the day).

Diet is going to be about 80% of your focus, because it's about 80% of your problem. Keep a journal of what you're eating if you don't believe me. Start a log for your workouts too. Keep your diet as clean as possible. Steroids are defnitely NOT your answer at this point. You'll gain weight and probably not lose any.

You may also consider hiring a personal trainer if you're really frustrated and feel you've been doing everything mostly correct so far.

Hire me! hahaha I'm good ) and certed!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hey Nelson how was your trip! Glad to see ya back bro!

The trip was awesome. I had a visitor with me back in NY which was awesome too. Now, back to work!