getting a post secondary education

[Night Fly]

I was going to say that it had sounded as if he made up his mind already also. I actually think that he is in some kind of military...am I right?

 

[mattcanning99]

Are you looking for an argument or advice?

If you've already made up your mind, which it sounds you have, then why the hell did you ask for advice in the first place, moron.

You just sound like another loser who doesn't know what to do with himself so you slag everything. Typical cynic.

no, i just wanted to see if brainwashed people (such as yourself) would push school and say it is the way to go. now Warik's reply, on the other hand, put common sense over society's morals, which it turns out, you represent.

have you ever heard about learning for the sake of interest and not because you're told?

also, this thread was not supposed to be about me. im going to stay in school just as a back up basically, i dont like it, nor do i need it. i just wanted to see how many people would give the response you did, compared to how few will give one like Warik.

 

[vinylgroover]

Where in which post did i mention anything about what 'society' expects.

What warik said makes some sense, but it's all about what you expect out of education. Warik says he learned much more on the job than he did at uni....much more about what.

That's precisely the point. When working, your learning is focussed because you are learning alot about things specifically related to your job. In uni, your education is far more broad, and you are learning a liitle about alot of things.

What about learning how to source information, prepare assignments, work to deadlines, perform under pressure etc. Aren't these things that you learn at Uni that will help you in any job you get. It's not just the numbers and facts that get thrown at you that are useful.

Think about it!

 

[mattcanning99]

Education is the most important thing in life (besides your health).

maybe im going into too much over this, i'll just leave it at: i don't agree with this statement.

where would wayne gretzsky be today if his parents had made him go to school and said it was in his best interest.

i just wanted to see how many people on the board believe it is necessary to be happy in life.

 

[buddy28]

unless ur incrediably smart, have a surefire business idea, or ur into programming (like warik), stay in school.

Wariks subjective analysis of the detractors of a post secondary education are more discpline specific then anything. hell, 75% of the computer geeks out there earning top dollar dropped out, or never went to college. Programming, as a hobby, is usally practised outside of university. Thus, reducing the need to take it in school.

Name one other respected profession requiring a significant knowledge base( not sales) , in which u can get a job without a University diploma.... Nothing. Computers. Thats it. All business jobs require an undergrad. You can work for the small shit firms, but thats not gonna take u too far.

Society says u need a degree, because that degreee certifies your competency in your selected discpline of study as assessed by objective third party raters (who are often quite smart).

Im starting my own business, and probably couldnt have done so at this age unless I had gone to university.

 

[vinylgroover]

He'd be a great hockey player with an education.

How many Wayne Gretzky's are there in the world?

Grow up a bit

 

[Warik]

What warik said makes some sense, but it's all about what you expect out of education. Warik says he learned much more on the job than he did at uni....much more about what.

Uhh... much more about the major I'm "studying" at college, maybe? If I were studying Computer Science at college and I worked at fucking McDonalds, then my post really wouldn't have made much sense, would it? Of course, I don't think Logic is a required course at Universities anymore, hence the reason you may not have picked that up.

Let me break it down for you.

I'm majoring in Computer Science.

I'm majoring in Computer Science because that, presumably, will allow me to get a well-paying job as a computer programmer.

I'm already working somewhere as a Computer Programmer.

I've learned more about Computer Science working as a Computer Programmer than I have attending the University. In fact, a great deal of the stuff I learned about programming I learned before ever getting a job.

"much more about what" - I don't know wtf you were thinking when you wrote that.

What about learning how to source information, prepare assignments, work to deadlines, perform under pressure etc

How to source information

Wrong. Ever take a test? All of them closed book and closed notes, eh? Name one job where your superior will forbid you from using reference material to solve a problem.

Prepare assignments

School assignments have a strict set of criteria that is explicitly stated and must be met. Real life jobs have the same. What is there to learn besides simple reading skills which were already taught in elementary school?

Work to deadlines

Project is due on day X. Finish it before then. What's there to learn? I learned how to tell time and use the calendar in Kindergarten. Where the hell did you go to school?

Perform under pressure

You mean you've never had any pressure in your life aside from school? That doesn't sound like a very eventful life.

If school were as important as you claim it to be, then school would have to provide you with skills or knowledge that you could not obtain elsewhere in a similar amount of time. I can prove this is false for ANY example you give me.

College is an unnecessary joke with an expensive punchline.

-Warik

 

[mattcanning99]

well...once again this thread wasnt about me, but anyway, i do own a website which is bringing me in a good amount of income because im a programmer (like warik), secondly, i would make more money at the army and be happier than i would be with an education.

for me, education drags me down and is worse in the long term. that's the reality of my situation...some people, however, need to be schooled.

what im honestly really sick of is hearing people say that school is for everyone. because it isn't...wayne gretzky being only one such example.

get the idea?

 

[Warik]

Name one other respected profession requiring a significant knowledge base( not sales) , in which u can get a job without a University diploma

Have you yet to see the point here?

The point here is the fact that college degrees for most professions are unnecessary. That is, they should NOT be necessary.

Should you need a degree to be a math teacher? An English teacher? A social studies teacher? ANY kind of teacher? No.

A computer programmer/engineer? No.

A chemist? No.

A philosopher? (rofl) No.

Of course, there are some professions that would require secondary education OR proof of equivalent (i.e. doctor or lawyer). If you can walk into a medical office with no college whatsoever and pass some kind of examination, then I don't see why you should not be hired as a doctor. Why waste 8-10 years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars when you have all the skills necessary now?

Ahh... college... a system designed to compensate for human deficiencies.

-Warik

 

[vinylgroover]

The problem is that losers like you two take evrything in life, along with education for granted.

The single most important factor which brings about social inequality in society is acess/or lack thereof to education. You both need to get real and be thankful you've had the chance to do something that millions of kids the world over would love to do.

Wankers