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MattTheSkywalker

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Is the agreement set for Merkel to become chancellor?

Her more conservative platform along with pledges to reduce unemployment (12%) made her a strong favorite, but Schroeder got a lot of support pledging to protect the welfare state.

Interestingly, it seemed like the welfare state destroyed their economy. And many of those programs date all the way back to Hitler. Clearly, the landscape has changed.

Anyone informed about this?
 
Nothing final yet bro, there is lots of talking. Both sides (CSU/CDU) and SPD have basically totally oposed views (as it was to be expected).

CD/CSU (Merkel Party) say they cannot talk about a coalition unless they first clear the quesion of who will be chancellor... obviously, this means: "We will not discuss anything unless you accept Merkel as Chancellor, that is prerequisite for us to even talk".

SPD (Schroedder's party) says: we first talk about the terms of the coalition, then we talk about who is going to be chancellor.

Deadlock all the way. They talk and talk and talk and nothing final has yet been agreed upon. The scenario of new elections is looming hard
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You live in Jacksonville FL. Why the fuck do you care about the German Chancellor? Are you afraid the parts supply for BMWs might dry up?
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I thought you were banned :confused:
 
thanks bor. The news I heard was that Merkel would be installed as chancellor if there was agreement on certain key positions/ministers.

I guess that has not been finalized, or, is not even close to final, yet. If parliament cannot convene by a certain date, does that force new elections? What would cause new elections? If no one can build a ruling" coalition?
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You live in Jacksonville FL. Why the fuck do you care about the German Chancellor? Are you afraid the parts supply for BMWs might dry up?
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I have family in Germany, along with a small company we might buy, giving us employees there who would be affected by major governmental shifts.

And I like to be informed about the world.

The Skywalker doesn't drive BMWs. :)
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
thanks bor. The news I heard was that Merkel would be installed as chancellor if there was agreement on certain key positions/ministers.

I guess that has not been finalized, or, is not even close to final, yet. If parliament cannot convene by a certain date, does that force new elections? What would cause new elections? If no one can build a ruling" coalition?
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The President. Bear in mind I'm not German either, so I had to learn this all on the fly.

The Bundestag has 3 opportunities to name a chancellor, if they can't the President can simply jump in and name a chancellor, which in this case would be a minority (since he cannot take sides with any of the 2 big sides)... This would lead to a disaster, since the chancellor would have no Bundestag support at all... that scenario is basically discarded from the getgo.

The alternative, after 3 failed attempts is to call ellections again. Hopefully it will not get to that. Yep, there are tons of meeting schedules, and tons of meetings already done. One side along came with a list of 65 points that need to be addressed before an agreement could take place.

It seems now that Merkel could be be in for the position, in the unlikely event they agree on all the factors, but that is FAR from agreed upon. I think the SPD is simply using the possibility as a bargaining chip to get agreement on other key areas
 
Thanks bor - will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You live in Jacksonville FL. Why the fuck do you care about the German Chancellor? Are you afraid the parts supply for BMWs might dry up?
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LOL.

All I do know is that my prediction and wishes came to be correct...Daniel Craig has been chosen to be the next James Bond.

I will definately start seeing those movies again.
 
today was a day of big developments. Merkel has a good chance now, after todays rounds to be the chancellor of a split govt... the so called Grand Coalition, so far the only waya to break the 3 week deadlock. Interesting, they split the ministries.

Imagine how surreal this situation is, you have some 16 ministries, Merkel party get 8, Schroedder's get 8 (so far, foreign, finance, labor, justice, health, transport, environment and development) plus MErkel gets "limited" power.

I don't know, but this seem to me like "OK, we give you the chancellor, but we keep the real power behind" note above: Finance, Justice, Health, Foreign?

They are planning on closing talks on Nov 12th.
 
pintoca said:
today was a day of big developments. Merkel has a good chance now, after todays rounds to be the chancellor of a split govt... the so called Grand Coalition, so far the only waya to break the 3 week deadlock. Interesting, they split the ministries.

Imagine how surreal this situation is, you have some 16 ministries, Merkel party get 8, Schroedder's get 8 (so far, foreign, finance, labor, justice, health, transport, environment and development) plus MErkel gets "limited" power.

I don't know, but this seem to me like "OK, we give you the chancellor, but we keep the real power behind" note above: Finance, Justice, Health, Foreign?

They are planning on closing talks on Nov 12th.
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well, if this goes the way it seems to be going, then the opportunity for Merkel to implement the reforms on which she campaigned will be a result of her ability to use her prominence and leadership ability.

It's an interesting challenge for her, that's for sure.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
well, if this goes the way it seems to be going, then the opportunity for Merkel to implement the reforms on which she campaigned will be a result of her ability to use her prominence and leadership ability.

It's an interesting challenge for her, that's for sure.
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it would be an incredibly hard job, since the key ministries will be out of her command (health and finance), so her reforms for taxes and public health seem very unlikely.

She will have 4 years, we'll see. Then again, as a pure Political exercise, this is proving to be very interesting, as this is the second time a Left-Right coalition could be formed since the end of WW2
 
pintoca said:
it would be an incredibly hard job, since the key ministries will be out of her command (health and finance), so her reforms for taxes and public health seem very unlikely.

She will have 4 years, we'll see. Then again, as a pure Political exercise, this is proving to be very interesting, as this is the second time a Left-Right coalition could be formed since the end of WW2
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Well, as with anything else, her ability to keep the reforms in the front of the minds of Germans may shift public opinion to the point where she can indeed get some movement from the SPD; they might not want to be seen as intractable if public opinion shifts to where it was well before the election (when she had a big lead).

I'd rather have the chancellorship and the prestige / presence to try and move public opinion, rather than a minority that has to fight everything and can be portrayed as an obstacle.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
I have family in Germany, along with a small company we might buy, giving us employees there who would be affected by major governmental shifts.

And I like to be informed about the world.

The Skywalker doesn't drive BMWs. :)
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I think he is more worried about Japan. :D
 
I thought it was decided that Merkel is chancellor?

shes the shortest, the ugliest and the first female chancellor germany ever had.

She could be the best though. probably the least socialist yet
 
what a stupid fuckin thread
 
Wootoom said:
what a stupid fuckin thread
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Was fine until you showed up sir, don't dumb it down because you have an internet hissy fit.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
well, if this goes the way it seems to be going, then the opportunity for Merkel to implement the reforms on which she campaigned will be a result of her ability to use her prominence and leadership ability.

It's an interesting challenge for her, that's for sure.
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Actually it's a double edged sword and it might play in her favor. That's what the Liberals are doing in Canada (minority too). Since they can't basically pass any serious law, they put the blame on the Conservatives. No tax cut or funds for healthcare ? Blame them, not us. It's common in Europe. And the Conservatives are stuck in a catch 22. They vote yes, it makes the libs' stuff look legitimate and Kosher, they vote, they get the blame.
 
75th said:
LOL.

All I do know is that my prediction and wishes came to be correct...Daniel Craig has been chosen to be the next James Bond.

I will definately start seeing those movies again.
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Wrong thread dude. We expect better from intel bros.
 
Schroeder quits government, blasts U.S., Britain By Dave Graham
1 hour, 35 minutes ago



Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who has led Germany since 1998, said for the first time on Wednesday he would not play a role in the next government, in an emotional farewell including broadsides at the United States and Britain.

"I will not be a part of the next government -- definitely not be part of it," a tearful looking Schroeder told a rapt audience of union members in his home city of Hanover.

He quickly composed himself, hitting his stride in a passionate defense of a strong German state and lashing out at "Anglo-Saxon" economic policies favoured in Britain and the United States, which he said had "no chance" in Europe.

In an apparent reference to Hurricane Katrina, Schroeder castigated Washington for liberal, hands-off policies that left it exposed in times of crisis. The Bush administration was widely criticised for its response to the devastating storm.

"I do not want to name any catastrophes where you can see what happens if organised state action is absent. I could name countries, but the position I still hold forbids it, but everyone knows I mean America," he said to loud applause.

Schroeder was speaking two days after his Social Democrats (SPD) said he was ready to step down to allow conservative leader Angela Merkel to front a power-sharing government of their two parties.

Her conservatives narrowly beat Schroeder's SPD in a September 18 general election, but failed to win enough seats to build a majority with their preferred coalition partners.

Schroeder, who has been urged by some members of his party to stay on as vice-chancellor in a new government, hinted on Tuesday evening he would not stay on but had not ruled it out publicly before.

CLASHES OVER IRAQ

Schroeder clashed with Britain and Washington in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq invasion and has been at odds with British Prime Minister Tony Blair over the direction of European economic policy.

Blair has urged European Union countries to cut back state influence on the economy, running into fierce opposition from both Schroeder and his ally, French President Jacques Chirac.

Schroeder stressed the importance of the Franco-German link in his speech, saying it was crucial for the defense of Europe's social model.

Merkel, who advocated far-reaching reforms of the German labor market and tax system during the election campaign, has vowed to take a more even-handed approach with France and is seen to be closer to Blair.

But as she will rule in a coalition with Schroeder's party, her plans are expected to be watered down.

The SPD has won many of the important cabinet positions in the next government, including the foreign and finance ministries. The party plans to decide who will fill those posts on Thursday, SPD sources told Reuters.

Peer Steinbrueck, former state premier of North Rhine-Westphalia, is a "clear favorite" to take the key role of Finance Minister, sources said.

The SPD and the conservatives are due to start formal coalition talks from next Monday. Schroeder will participate in those negotiations, which are due to conclude by November 12.

His withdrawal, while not unexpected, is nevertheless a blow to the SPD, which is likely to struggle to fill the void their most charismatic figure leaves behind him.

Schroeder has not given any signs of what he could do next, although companies could be keen to make use of his connections and deal-making skills, which he used as chancellor to secure lucrative deals for German industry.
 
4everhung said:
He quickly composed himself, hitting his stride in a passionate defense of a strong German state and lashing out at "Anglo-Saxon" economic policies favoured in Britain and the United States, which he said had "no chance" in Europe.
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