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George Spellwin

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What are your thoughts on the feedback you are getting from the new karma system?
How do you feel about some of the posts that were made by your admins and mods in the "making changes to the karma system" thread in the plat underground?
It seems you have been very quiet throughout this process.
I would like to hear your feedback.
 
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slat is a good bro, I enjoyed Karma as well, so I'm finding new things to do with my time here, not the end of the world orb
 
im surprised that he asked for feedback, got it, and then didnt say a thing after he changed the system, i think he owes the plats that much
 
Something else odd .....
I have not been able to access the display in Profile that shows K Received and K Hit given out.

I did fill out a contact ticket, but wonder if I am alone in this.

The display is vital now to keep from going to zero and see who is still rewarding posters.

I do have two comments on the K changes:
- This is Mr. S's business and he can do as he wants. However, I'd like to see Members pleased with changes rather than pissed. There is a need to keep loyalty while growing the business.

- Giving out 30 hits of K each day and receiving K recogniton was fun. I enjoyed tacking a message to my hits and getting a pic. I'm still trying to do this .... but it is a lot like medieval medicine ... eventually I will be out.
 
pintoca said:
slat is a good bro, I enjoyed Karma as well, so I'm finding new things to do with my time here, not the end of the world orb
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c'mon man, you're better than that. "it's not the end of the world" is not a viable, logical, meaningful business response to ANYTHING.
 
The changes are fine. Business man to business man I have a concern as to the actions of some of the people that represent him.
Lots of questions, no answers... just name calling etc.
They are not the signs of a well oiled machine.
 
KillahBee said:
c'mon man, you're better than that. "it's not the end of the world" is not a viable, logical, meaningful business response to ANYTHING.
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I feel the same way.
There was an initial uproar.
It has settled.
There are a lot of questions that remain unanswered. A lot of actions that have not been addressed too.
 
slat1 said:
The changes are fine. Business man to business man I have a concern as to the actions of some of the people that represent him.
Lots of questions, no answers... just name calling etc.
They are not the signs of a well oiled machine.
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You have to realize that moderators are not chosen for their character, business sense or intelligence. Most were voted in by paying customers, which typically is due to popularity (titty shots, karma, overall friendliness without offending anyone, etc).

Point being - they are not chosen on the foundation of "business sense".

That being said, some are awesome, some are terrible. Just know that "it is what it is".
 
george just needs to come right out and make a thread saying
"this is my site,i can change whatever i would like, and if you dont like it theres the exit door".
Yes the karma change was a bit drastic how ever this is his board. He has full control over it. Nothing more any one else can do and thread after thread of people complaining will not change a thing.
 
Angel said:
george just needs to come right out and make a thread saying
"this is my site,i can change whatever i would like, and if you dont like it theres the exit door".
Yes the karma change was a bit drastic how ever this is his board. He has full control over it. Nothing more any one else can do and thread after thread of people complaining will not change a thing.
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This is true. It's the bottom line.

It's also important to note that most changes (even the very popular ones now) were met with viva le resistance initially. Then people learned to love em.

Except the COTB thing.

Man, was that a bad idea.
 
One suggestion just make a cap on the k power. maybe somewhere between 3000-5000 and keep it how it was. Or anyone who was plat before the change wouldn't be affected by the change just to new members who were anaware.
 
KillahBee said:
c'mon man, you're better than that. "it's not the end of the world" is not a viable, logical, meaningful business response to ANYTHING.
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We're talking about virtual green dots... how can you expect a logical reponse to something irrational ? I never really cared about karma anyway (take a look at the amount I have lol) so why should I now ?
 
Angel said:
george just needs to come right out and make a thread saying
"this is my site,i can change whatever i would like, and if you dont like it theres the exit door".
Yes the karma change was a bit drastic how ever this is his board. He has full control over it. Nothing more any one else can do and thread after thread of people complaining will not change a thing.
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GS seems to be a fair person and a smart business person.
I don't believe the above would be said. Its not good business.
My concern is for the direction of the site. It has taken a drastic turn for the worse through the actions of some who work for it.
 
manny78 said:
We're talking about virtual green dots... how can you expect a logical reponse to something irrational ? I never really cared about karma anyway (take a look at the amount I have lol) so why should I now ?
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Let's see - so you're saying that something paying customers seem to really care about and is a BUSINESS DRIVER (I doubt it's a significant %, but who knows...) shouldn't matter because you deem it "irrational"????

Whether you or I see it as "irrational" is irrelavent. Paying customers care about it. Judgement on why they care about it should mean NOTHING in the business perspective. Yes? No?
 
KillahBee said:
Let's see - so you're saying that something paying customers seem to really care about and is a BUSINESS DRIVER (I doubt it's a significant %, but who knows...) shouldn't matter because you deem it "irrational"????

Whether you or I see it as "irrational" is irrelavent. Paying customers care about it. Judgement on why they care about it should mean NOTHING in the business perspective. Yes? No?
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Someone understands what I am talking about.
 
the virtual green dots are an integral part of this site. its called "brand hijacking" when your consumers latch on to a facet of your business and create a subculture around it. the minute you try to steer it or control it, you shut them off. herein lies the problem. make money by outright charging and changing the whole system where the culture was built....there goes the interest. best bet is to leave the "ain't broke" system alone since it keeps people here, looking (read: being advertised to) and spending time here or even <gasp> referring others to.

main money makers and interest generators:

supps
memberships
events or activities where you can use said free karma (texas holdem $1 a day to play etc, other gambling or bidding type situations, giveaways, etc.)

karma is the free stuff that will encourage the other stuff. take that away and now we're back to just paying for stuff. pay for the activities that are fun because you built up the karma with time . Time is just as much money and contributes to the culture and content of this board. karma is a form of ranking that sortof tells how much people have been on the board as well, those that have been around for a while obviously spend time here, and thus will be more apt to use the boards services and activities. (especially with full support and mention by mods)

just my thoughts....
 
Angel said:
george just needs to come right out and make a thread saying
"this is my site,i can change whatever i would like, and if you dont like it theres the exit door".
Yes the karma change was a bit drastic how ever this is his board. He has full control over it. Nothing more any one else can do and thread after thread of people complaining will not change a thing.
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KillahBee said:
Let's see - so you're saying that something paying customers seem to really care about and is a BUSINESS DRIVER (I doubt it's a significant %, but who knows...) shouldn't matter because you deem it "irrational"????

Whether you or I see it as "irrational" is irrelavent. Paying customers care about it. Judgement on why they care about it should mean NOTHING in the business perspective. Yes? No?
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Who cares about it ? I mean yeah I've seen some pissed off people here and there but the core doesnt seem to care. I mean everything is the same elsewhere on the board including the AAS forum. You cant make everyone happy, even Jesus was unable.
 
Honestly complaining at this point is pretty pointless. It seems fairly clear that the site is going in something of a new direction which probably involves a format designed for wider appeal than juicers and body builders. It's too simplistic to charge that they aren't paying attention to customer desires. More accurately it seems to be a case a few customers being unhappy with the new direction the company has mapped out for the business, and expecting them to drop their plan because of a dozen or so who want things the way they were.

Like complaining your restaurant no longer serves pizza after they went upscale. Enjoy the new menu or eat somewhere else.
 
manny78 said:
Who cares about it ? I mean yeah I've seen some pissed off people here and there but the core doesnt seem to care. I mean everything is the same elsewhere on the board including the AAS forum. You cant make everyone happy, even Jesus was unable.
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Everything else on the board that is still here can be enjoyed without a Plat membership.
Being plat allowed you to do more things with your karma.
All the other things poeple enjoyed are free. Quite a few prominent members are letting their plat memberships lapse.
Beyond that a lot of questions have risen from the link I posted.
The manner in which mods and admins acted towards paying customers was pathetic. It showed no respect for the customer or their money.
Meanwhile, GS has not chimed in.
 
slat1 said:
Everything else on the board that is still here can be enjoyed without a Plat membership.
Being plat allowed you to do more things with your karma.
All the other things poeple enjoyed are free. Quite a few prominent members are letting their plat memberships lapse.
Beyond that a lot of questions have risen from the link I posted.
The manner in which mods and admins acted towards paying customers was pathetic. It showed no respect for the customer or their money.
Meanwhile, GS has not chimed in.
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Plat was here way before karma. I bet most of the customers went plat for other reasons. I paid back when it was EF Select just cause I was enjoying the info on AAS and diet. Had nothing to do with special features because all we had was a separated forum. Look at places like Glocktalk for example. Folks there pay and get nothing. Of course, there're other gun boards but it's a way of saying keep up the good work. That's how I see this and that's why I paid here and on a car forum.
 
but its evolved...thats why the uproar. to change it midstream is asking for alot of people's interest and "good jobs" to hold steady while taking away something that became part of the board. there comes a point where the fun is slowing down. obviously the camaraderie of sending a small K message to someone after a post is gone. so now people have to either a)outright send a pm (time consuming) or b)say a little something on the post. the rank system way of rewarding someone with K was painless, now you actually lose something so there is less little comments. you have to look at the big picture of it, the ease at which the culture grew via the system.

its like not getting chips and salsa at the mexican restaurant while you wait to spend money on large entrees. the key is to maintain the systems that people enjoy and find ways to capitalize on that (read: gambling, etc.) and also introduce new products, features and benefits that are low cost, regular repeat business, and also....could allow you some sort of progression reward for repeat business maybe in the intangible form of karma or other incentives (ranking *people do care about it, more rewards, special features on the board, a free K bomb etc)
 
manny78 said:
We're talking about virtual green dots... how can you expect a logical reponse to something irrational ? I never really cared about karma anyway (take a look at the amount I have lol) so why should I now ?
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Yeah, they're virtual, intangible, non-negotiable, non-redeemable, valueless little green dots that apparently not enough of us were buying.
 
If it means that much to people perhaps you can propose some intermediate level of membership between platinum and COTB that returns the karma option.
 
Looks like someone isn't enjoying this thread:

George Spellwin 16-Jun-2006 11:17 AM perkele "I don't look like the below picture anymore". Probably because it's a man.

That is in regards to my signature picture.

It is another example of poor business skills.
Perkele represents this site and its owner and he is acting like a child.

I am still interested in GS's opinion of the actions of his mods/admins.

For the record. I was 225 in that picture. I am 250 at the moment and I still have 8 abs. I have not been able to locate any pictures of Perkele for comparison to see what a man looks like.
 
thelion2005 said:
Something else odd .....
I have not been able to access the display in Profile that shows K Received and K Hit given out.

I did fill out a contact ticket, but wonder if I am alone in this.

The display is vital now to keep from going to zero and see who is still rewarding posters.

I do have two comments on the K changes:
- This is Mr. S's business and he can do as he wants. However, I'd like to see Members pleased with changes rather than pissed. There is a need to keep loyalty while growing the business.

- Giving out 30 hits of K each day and receiving K recogniton was fun. I enjoyed tacking a message to my hits and getting a pic. I'm still trying to do this .... but it is a lot like medieval medicine ... eventually I will be out.
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theodoric of york
medievel barber eh?
 
bignate73 said:
but its evolved...thats why the uproar. to change it midstream is asking for alot of people's interest and "good jobs" to hold steady while taking away something that became part of the board. there comes a point where the fun is slowing down. obviously the camaraderie of sending a small K message to someone after a post is gone. so now people have to either a)outright send a pm (time consuming) or b)say a little something on the post. the rank system way of rewarding someone with K was painless, now you actually lose something so there is less little comments. you have to look at the big picture of it, the ease at which the culture grew via the system.

its like not getting chips and salsa at the mexican restaurant while you wait to spend money on large entrees. the key is to maintain the systems that people enjoy and find ways to capitalize on that (read: gambling, etc.) and also introduce new products, features and benefits that are low cost, regular repeat business, and also....could allow you some sort of progression reward for repeat business maybe in the intangible form of karma or other incentives (ranking *people do care about it, more rewards, special features on the board, a free K bomb etc)
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the virtual green dots are an integral part of this site. its called "brand hijacking" when your consumers latch on to a facet of your business and create a subculture around it. the minute you try to steer it or control it, you shut them off. herein lies the problem. make money by outright charging and changing the whole system where the culture was built....there goes the interest. best bet is to leave the "ain't broke" system alone since it keeps people here, looking (read: being advertised to) and spending time here or even <gasp> referring others to.

main money makers and interest generators:

supps
memberships
events or activities where you can use said free karma (texas holdem $1 a day to play etc, other gambling or bidding type situations, giveaways, etc.)

karma is the free stuff that will encourage the other stuff. take that away and now we're back to just paying for stuff. pay for the activities that are fun because you built up the karma with time . Time is just as much money and contributes to the culture and content of this board. karma is a form of ranking that sortof tells how much people have been on the board as well, those that have been around for a while obviously spend time here, and thus will be more apt to use the boards services and activities. (especially with full support and mention by mods)

just my thoughts....
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very nicely put. Copy this on GS's thread about our feedback.

Karma has become the trademark of EF. Mods and admin have to stop saying that "it used to be like...." this or that, cause its NOT anymore. Other forums are just fine with it? What forum has teh most plat members? Not the AAS for sure
 
I posted my thoughts on the platinum underground thread.

I'm not going to cry over it, the site can do what they wish, but I think this change was viewed as negative across the board by the members.
 
I have a feeling the gears are starting to turn a bit.
Hopefully, that will lead to the issues being addressed in the future.
 
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