genetics in relation to steroids

[YoungAndWeak]

I think I know the answer to this but anyway I wanna make sure.I was talking with this guy at the gym today and he told me if you dont have the right genetics no matter how much you juice,eat,train,and sleep you will just gain water on steroids and when you come off you lose it.How true is this,it seems I dont respond to steroids.

 

[manny78]

Half bullshit. I mean a cycle of sust/deca will make you grow, no matter your genetics. Some will gain more than others. But with HGH and exotic stuff like IL-15, even the worst genetic can grow crazy. But there's a price to pay, but with your pockets and health....

 

[Greek Freak]

You wont just gain water...you wont gain as much as a person with better genetics may. Everyone responds differently to certain drugs and steroids are no different. Some people may just have to use higher doses to see the same results of those that are more genetically gifted, or find the substances that work best for you. If you have your diet, training, drugs, and everything else in order you will be able to achieve very good results no matter what kind of genetics you have.

 

[YoungAndWeak]

Thats good to hear,I thought I cant respond to steroids.Well Ive tried dbol,fina,test,deca all at small-medium dosages nothing crazy.Nothing has worked.What do you guys think of me hitting up like 1500mg of test weekly for a cycle?The most test I ever doine was 500,I did a 1000mg frontload once and that was when I gained like maybe 7-10 lbs all water I bet.

 

[2Thick]

Y&W,

You might want to talk to a dietitian and a personal trainer (for BB and not general health). It might be embarrassing but it will be worth it.

 

[YoungAndWeak]

About what 2thick? about juice? or training?Man my training is on target Im using doggcraps routine (about 80% at leat) at least 6k cals,and 8 hours of sleep,everythings in order but I dont think I have the genes to become to big.

 

[2Thick]

About what 2thick? about juice? or training?Man my training is on target Im using doggcraps routine (about 80% at leat) at least 6k cals,and 8 hours of sleep,everythings in order but I dont think I have the genes to become to big.

You get 6k calories per day? How do you do that? I poop myself if I get over 4500 per day. I get almost all of it from real food, though.

The reason is because you will need a customized training routine. If your training was on mark, you would gain naturally (without the gear).

What are your stats now? What were they 1 year ago?

 

[Juicy-R6]

About what 2thick? about juice? or training?Man my training is on target Im using doggcraps routine (about 80% at leat) at least 6k cals,and 8 hours of sleep,everythings in order but I dont think I have the genes to become to big.

bro...If u really doing what u claimed above (6k cals, 8 hous sleep, and good training) then u HAVE to grow. Maybe at a slower pace than the average guy but u will still see results. Iif u don't, then my only other explanation would be:way lower testosterone levels than the average male. Go to the doctor and check ur test levels. u may have a test deficiency

 

[YoungAndWeak]

Check this out 2thick,I started doggcraps training 3 weeks ago,my core lifts are probably up 5-10 lbs.I get 6 k cals easily,I eat 3 lbs of cottage cheese a day,6 whey shakes,mounds of toast,100g simple carbs after workout....the list goes on.Anyway last year I was 170 lbs bf prolly about 12% or lower.Now Im 215 and my bf is probably 14%,thats ok though Im trying to bulk.Anyway does that sound ok to you big guy?And all the personal trainers at my gym are smaller than me bro,not to mention weaker.Problem is I havent gained much in the last 4 months.

 

[2Thick]

Check this out 2thick,I started doggcraps training 3 weeks ago,my core lifts are probably up 5-10 lbs.I get 6 k cals easily,I eat 3 lbs of cottage cheese a day,6 whey shakes,mounds of toast,100g simple carbs after workout....the list goes on.Anyway last year I was 170 lbs bf prolly about 12% or lower.Now Im 215 and my bf is probably 14%,thats ok though Im trying to bulk.Anyway does that sound ok to you big guy?And all the personal trainers at my gym are smaller than me bro,not to mention weaker.Problem is I havent gained much in the last 4 months.

So you gained 45 pounds in a year and you are complaining about no growth?

What am I missing here?

 

[Juicy-R6]

Check this out 2thick,I started doggcraps training 3 weeks ago,my core lifts are probably up 5-10 lbs.I get 6 k cals easily,I eat 3 lbs of cottage cheese a day,6 whey shakes,mounds of toast,100g simple carbs after workout....the list goes on.Anyway last year I was 170 lbs bf prolly about 12% or lower.Now Im 215 and my bf is probably 14%,thats ok though Im trying to bulk.Anyway does that sound ok to you big guy?And all the personal trainers at my gym are smaller than me bro,not to mention weaker.Problem is I havent gained much in the last 4 months.

some people can't even gain 20 lbs a year and u gain 45 and still complaining...

 

[YoungAndWeak]

The last sentence bro.I havent gained shit in about 4 months,and Ive used AS alot,not high dosages though.Im thinking I should say fuck my health for 8-10 weeks and get on 1-2 grm test weekly.I dont get any strength gain and not much size from what Ive been doing bro.

 

[Juicy-R6]

alright how much have u gained Exactly the last 4 months (considering u said not much, is still something)???

 

[Juicy-R6]

alright how much have u gained Exactly the last 4 months (considering u said not much, is still something)???

 

[Quadsweep]

The last sentence bro.I havent gained shit in about 4 months,and Ive used AS alot,not high dosages though.Im thinking I should say fuck my health for 8-10 weeks and get on 1-2 grm test weekly.I dont get any strength gain and not much size from what Ive been doing bro.

Actually maybe you need to take 8-10 weeks off and give the body a break from gear! Your gains are good. Rome was not built in a day my friend.

Quad

 

[YoungAndWeak]

Im not on gear Ive been off for about 4 weeks.

 

[MP5]

I think you should be off a minimum of 8 weeks between cycles. Especially if you have been on for a long time. As far as genetics go, i know certain muscle groups on me respond better when on juice, but it depends on the person. My back and traps always grow well on juice.

 

[YoungAndWeak]

None of my gains can be attributed to juice I beleive.I neevr went over 500mg week of gear,I guess this is not enough for some serious gains.Im really considering trying 1500mg of test for a few weeks and maybe kickstart with like 75 mg dbol

 

[MP5]

I am a firm believer that your body can only use so much gear and the rest is just wasted. I would say you could get the same results with 750mg or test as you can with 1500mg. Just hit some deca at 300-400mgs a week, test at 750mgs, and hit the dbol for 50mgs a day for the first 6-8 weeks and if you don't grow then your gear if fake. You are asking for a major test crash after shooting 1500+ of test a week.

 

[YoungAndWeak]

Sounds like a plan bro,but I wouldnt be surprised if I didnt gain anything and it was real gear.Id probably just bloat up real bad and then lose it all.But if I hit up another cycle I think it would be the test/deca/dbol combo.

 

[pittbull2]

Check this out 2thick,I started doggcraps training 3 weeks ago,my core lifts are probably up 5-10 lbs.I get 6 k cals easily,I eat 3 lbs of cottage cheese a day,6 whey shakes,mounds of toast,100g simple carbs after workout....the list goes on.Anyway last year I was 170 lbs bf prolly about 12% or lower.Now Im 215 and my bf is probably 14%,thats ok though Im trying to bulk.Anyway does that sound ok to you big guy?And all the personal trainers at my gym are smaller than me bro,not to mention weaker.Problem is I havent gained much in the last 4 months.

Duh did i miss something, 45lbs in a year