Geared up for First Cycle ... Opinions wanted.

[jerol]

Okay, after 25 years of lifting I think I'm ready (didn't want to be hasty or anything... ) My serum testosterone came back at a paultry 373, so the good news is that I qualify for HRT and can get some nice "human grade" (whatever that means) gear.

Stats:

44 years old
190 lbs
6'3"
9% bf

Lifting experience: 25 years. Less in the last 5 years because of herniated cervical discs (but asymptomatic for 2 years now).

Previous cycles: none

Goal: 10-15 lbs of lean mass -- most of which I hope to keep.

Proposed cycle:

Test cyp 200mg every 4 days x 11 weeks (works out to 2 vials, that's why the odd number)
Proviron 50mg -- divided doses (25mg AM/PM) -- weeks 2-13
HCG 250-500 iu (not sure of the dose) every 4 days SQ -- weeks 2-13
AIFM 1 squirt ed
(Nolvadex/Arimdex in reserve should I develop gyno symptoms)

PCT: (18 days after last shot)

Nolvadex 40mg ed x1 week, then 20mg ed x3 weeks
Aromasin 20mg ed x4 weeks
(I have clomid, but am frankly a bit scared of its sides)


Questions:

Appropriate cycle? PCT?
Should Proviron dose be divided or taken all at once?
HCG dosing: 250 or 500 iu?
HCG question: How long after mixing the 5000 iu vial is it still useful assuming its refrigerated?

I also have Lr3 IGF-1 and MGF which I was considering using for 4 weeks prior to starting the cycle and during PCT (for 4 weeks also):

MGF 100 mcg 5x/week divided into 50mcg shots immediately PWO into the muscle worked.
Lr3 IGF-1 40 mcg 1 hour pwo IM divided into 20mcg shots into the muscle worked 4x/week (EOD)

(I'm still not committed to the IGF/MGF use.)

Please give me brutally honest opinions and any changes you would suggest.

Many thanks,

Jerol

 

[Zircon]

Looks good. U may wanna run nolva just a bit longer to be safe. Clmids fine...just keep on 50mg, no problems.

Hcg I'd do 500iu eod for 3 weeks in the middle and then the same at the end of the cycle. It shouldn't really be necessary...prob end of cycle 5000iu spread oevr 2-3 weeks woudl be fine as it's mild cycle.

Just be careful what u do with strength gains/injuries

 

[njmuscleguy]

Okay, after 25 years of lifting I think I'm ready (didn't want to be hasty or anything... ) My serum testosterone came back at a paultry 373, so the good news is that I qualify for HRT and can get some nice "human grade" (whatever that means) gear.

Stats:

44 years old
190 lbs
6'3"
9% bf

Lifting experience: 25 years. Less in the last 5 years because of herniated cervical discs (but asymptomatic for 2 years now).

Previous cycles: none

Goal: 10-15 lbs of lean mass -- most of which I hope to keep.

Proposed cycle:

Test cyp 200mg every 4 days x 11 weeks (works out to 2 vials, that's why the odd number)
Proviron 50mg -- divided doses (25mg AM/PM) -- weeks 2-13
HCG 250-500 iu (not sure of the dose) every 4 days SQ -- weeks 2-13
AIFM 1 squirt ed
(Nolvadex/Arimdex in reserve should I develop gyno symptoms)

PCT: (18 days after last shot)

Nolvadex 40mg ed x1 week, then 20mg ed x3 weeks
Aromasin 20mg ed x4 weeks
(I have clomid, but am frankly a bit scared of its sides)


Questions:

Appropriate cycle? PCT?
Should Proviron dose be divided or taken all at once?
HCG dosing: 250 or 500 iu?
HCG question: How long after mixing the 5000 iu vial is it still useful assuming its refrigerated?

I also have Lr3 IGF-1 and MGF which I was considering using for 4 weeks prior to starting the cycle and during PCT (for 4 weeks also):

MGF 100 mcg 5x/week divided into 50mcg shots immediately PWO into the muscle worked.
Lr3 IGF-1 40 mcg 1 hour pwo IM divided into 20mcg shots into the muscle worked 4x/week (EOD)

(I'm still not committed to the IGF/MGF use.)

Please give me brutally honest opinions and any changes you would suggest.

Many thanks,

Jerol

Just my humble opinion, but if you haven't started HRT yet, shouldn't you get that underway first and "stabilize" your body's test levels first... see how you fare with the HRT regimen you are placed on... get bloodwork, see where your test levels level off at.....and THEN start cycling (which would entail increasing test dosage and adding stuff like Proviron, IGF, etc.)

Also, from what I've read so far, there's really no need for a PCT if you're on HRT, so no need for Nolvadex and Clomid. As far as HCG goes, that's a debated topic amongst people who run HRT. It seems more of a personal choice. As for an AI (such as AIFM), I also see that as debated topic. Most will run a very low dose of an AI every few days, just to combat bloat or any unlikely estrogenic sides.

To answer your questions, you can take Proviron all at once (it has a 12 hour half life I believe).
HCG, if you run it during your cycle, 500iu, twice a week is plenty. You may even be able to get away with 250iu. The only purpose HCG serves during a cycle is to pump up the boys, not to stimulate your body's own natural test as it would during PCT. And if you use BAC water to reconstitute your HCG, then it will keep in the refrigerator for about a month.

Good luck!

 

[jerol]

Just my humble opinion, but if you haven't started HRT yet, shouldn't you get that underway first and "stabilize" your body's test levels first... see how you fare with the HRT regimen you are placed on... get bloodwork, see where your test levels level off at.....and THEN start cycling (which would entail increasing test dosage and adding stuff like Proviron, IGF, etc.)

Also, from what I've read so far, there's really no need for a PCT if you're on HRT, so no need for Nolvadex and Clomid. As far as HCG goes, that's a debated topic amongst people who run HRT. It seems more of a personal choice. As for an AI (such as AIFM), I also see that as debated topic. Most will run a very low dose of an AI every few days, just to combat bloat or any unlikely estrogenic sides.

To answer your questions, you can take Proviron all at once (it has a 12 hour half life I believe).
HCG, if you run it during your cycle, 500iu, twice a week is plenty. You may even be able to get away with 250iu. The only purpose HCG serves during a cycle is to pump up the boys, not to stimulate your body's own natural test as it would during PCT. And if you use BAC water to reconstitute your HCG, then it will keep in the refrigerator for about a month.

Good luck!

Thanks, NJ!

I have no intention of going on permanent HRT. But the fact that I qualify gives me legal access to "human grade" AAS. I'm a physician, so the doctor I'm working with will pretty much give me what I want (a nice perc, I must admit). That's all I meant by that reference.

Despite what I consider low baseline testosterone, I have always had a very "hard" physique (a natural consequence of being so thin, I think). I really expected my test to be up in the 5-600 range given the fact that I get so cut up and have good vascularity... Go figure.

I will post pre- and post-cycle pics to show the progress.

Thanks again for your input,

Jerol