gear and overtraining

[sofakingdel]

Am i overtraining? I'm in the 4th week 400 mg EQ/ 400mg test E ev 5days (i'm also running some left over Tren E 200mg e 5d started last week and next 3wks). I do the 5x5 3 times a week with cardio on 2 of the off days. The cycles got me so pumped that my off days I throw in some (150-200) push ups and (20)pull ups along with my cardio. are the extra push up and pull ups ok to do, or could I be limiting my gains by not letting my muscles rest, on designated off days?

 

[erix23]

yOU WILL BE FINE.

 

[blut wump]

I guess you must be doing the single-factor 5x5 else you'd actually be pushing yourself towards over-reaching on the dual-factor 5x5.

Don't worry about overtraining but keep an eye out for it. If your lifts stall pretty much across the board then take an easy week. Otherwise, keep pounding away.

At this stage in your cycle, the PR train shoud be just leaving the station. Keep adding to the bar and making those steady gains.

 

[paridhm]

I guess you must be doing the single-factor 5x5 else you'd actually be pushing yourself towards over-reaching on the dual-factor 5x5.

Don't worry about overtraining but keep an eye out for it. If your lifts stall pretty much across the board then take an easy week. Otherwise, keep pounding away.

At this stage in your cycle, the PR train shoud be just leaving the station. Keep adding to the bar and making those steady gains.

I agree with Mr. blut. Keep hitting it hard until your gains plateau. Take a short time with higher reps. Then hit it hard again.

 

[glover]

What is the sense in doing 200 push ups. You are training like a marathon runner. You should be doing a bench press with a weight that will allow you less repititions.

Are you training to look like a marathon runner or a sprinter? Cut out the marathon training. Just trian on your training days with resistance, unless of course you are training for a push up contest.

 

[blut wump]

You can think of push-ups as bench-pressing with about 70% bodyweight. You can get a more-accurate estimate if you use some bathroom scales. See what the weight is at the top and again at the bottom then take the average.

It's the Eq that's making you crazy with endurance.

What you might find is that you can drop the pushup/pullup marathon and make larger increments on the bar. Over time you learn your own body and how you can push it in different directions.

 

[mikefear]

You wont overtrain by doing some pullups and pushups.. just keep eating, lifting and sleeping

 

[solidspine]

I was told by someone, who looked like Arnold that you can’t over train on gear.

So I always believed this to be the case/


How ever I think as you age, you can,

I just finished tren/test and there were days, no weeks, I believe I over trained.


Also age is a big factor the younger and healthier you are, the better/

 

[sofakingdel]

Thanks for the info, the push ups and pulls aren't all at one time. I get all antsy during my off day and i'll bust out a quick set of 50 or so through out the day, and the same for the pull ups. This cycles got me feeling good, and the extra work makes me feel even better. I don't want to be a Marathoner or anything I just want to get all that I can out of all this damn energy, it doesn't help that I'm taking a couple of Cardio Breeze a day.

 

[palehorse51]

The biggest thing to watch out for is getting sick. A lot of times I have started out great, blastin away, and sure enough I get sick. you may not think you can overtrain, but pay attention to your body. And if you get a couple of nights in a row of the "Gear Insomnia" or you feel yourself getting sick, take it easy for a day or two. This will pay off in the long run because illness can set you back big time.

 

[organon250]

just keep your diet on point and watch if your losing energy and or getting ill like palehorse said then cut back but if you feel good your probably fine...it is really hard to overtrain on gear if your eating right and getting ample sleep.

 

[erix23]

You wont overtrain by doing some pullups and pushups.. just keep eating, lifting and sleeping

EXACTLY!

 

[blut wump]

Since he's on the 5x5 he'll get a much clearer indication that overtraining is approaching as his lifts will stall or even regress. When that happens he's into 'over-reaching' and should deload or take an easy week. On the single-factor 5x5, though, it's unlikely to happen during a cycle.

 

[beachstud]

Sorry to be ignant, but what's all this 5x5 stuff? I've never heard of it. Is this a sets/reps thing?

 

[P01NTBL4NK]

DUDE DONT LISTEN TO THEM PUSH UPS PULL UPS ALL THAT SHITS GOOD FOR U. Trust me its really good for your whole body. Being able to have eundrance FUCK what they said do all the shit PLUS lift weights man. Never not do push ups. Do push ups on a chest day after your done to really rip them and shit. Man exercise no matter what it is is good for you TRUST ME.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

bro...i dont think anyone is knocking him training hard...in fact everyone is saying go for it...

 

[wags8]

Sorry to be ignant, but what's all this 5x5 stuff? I've never heard of it. Is this a sets/reps thing?

5x5=25 Duh. Ck. out Basskiller's site for a better explanation.

 

[blut wump]

Sorry to be ignant, but what's all this 5x5 stuff? I've never heard of it. Is this a sets/reps thing?

Madcow2 popularized the 5x5 on here a couple of years ago and it took off like wildfire in the training forum and members who'd plateaued long before suddenly started making gains again and guys were reporting natty 20-pound gains from a 9-week training cycle.

It's based on simple progression and sound training theory that works on or off cycle. The basis of the dual-factor version is the root of all performance-related athletic training and, while not considered a BBers ideal system, works very well for growth and is definitely a better way to train off-cycle.

Take a read on here:
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

There's a lot of general training theory on that site besides the 5x5 programs.

 

[beachstud]

DUDE DONT LISTEN TO THEM PUSH UPS PULL UPS ALL THAT SHITS GOOD FOR U. Trust me its really good for your whole body. Being able to have eundrance FUCK what they said do all the shit PLUS lift weights man. Never not do push ups. Do push ups on a chest day after your done to really rip them and shit. Man exercise no matter what it is is good for you TRUST ME.

Well Said!

 

[beachstud]

Madcow2 popularized the 5x5 on here a couple of years ago and it took off like wildfire in the training forum and members who'd plateaued long before suddenly started making gains again and guys were reporting natty 20-pound gains from a 9-week training cycle.

It's based on simple progression and sound training theory that works on or off cycle. The basis of the dual-factor version is the root of all performance-related athletic training and, while not considered a BBers ideal system, works very well for growth and is definitely a better way to train off-cycle.

Take a read on here:
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

There's a lot of general training theory on that site besides the 5x5 programs.

Thanks. Sounds like it may be akin to German Volume Training. I'll take a look.

 

[Twoguns]

this is what I found to it to be in a nutshell, is this correct:

5x5 = 5 sets of 5 reps each
The main exercise is done 5x5 and then you can add others.
you should be doing a weight to where 5 reps is all you can muster

 

[blut wump]

this is what I found to it to be in a nutshell, is this correct:

5x5 = 5 sets of 5 reps each
The main exercise is done 5x5 and then you can add others.
you should be doing a weight to where 5 reps is all you can muster

The 5x5 does get its name from being based around 5 sets of 5 on most days. The basis of the program, however, is progression and not training to failure. So long as you're adding weight to the bar on a regular, consistent basis then you are progressing. There's no ad-hoc do-what-you-feel exercise selection since the whole point of it is to make progress in the compound lifts and add weight week to week.

It has you squatting 3x per week, benching and rowing twice and overhead pressing and deadlifting on the day you don't bench and row. Basically, you squat, press and pull 3 days per week. You can throw in some extra crap for arms and calves if you feel the need but many don't. On cycle, some extra crap won't do any harm but, otherwise, the body needs its recovery time to get the most out of the next session.

Programming-wise, you determine your 5-rep-max prior to starting and you build up over the first three weeks to be hitting that weight for your top set in week 4. The idea being that you build up some momentum to put you onto the PR train for several weeks. When you stall, there are then ways to keep progress moving by manipulating the workouts. Eventually, it leads onto the Dual Factor version which manipulates both fitness and fatigue in a rebound fashion as you start to flirt with overtraining on a regular basis.

 

[esanchez1277]

Sounds awsome I think I'll try once my gear kicks in.