Gains slowing or haven't really shown up yet

[thegoodfoods]

I'm currently on my second cycle consisting of Test E 500/wk and Deca 400/week. Started the deca at 500 then lowered it. i don't really notice much strength gains. if there are strength gains it made me gain 2-3 reps on some single isolation exercises and about 1 extra rep for each compound movement every other time i hop in the gym. is this how it is? and where are the incredible pumps i'm supposed to be feeling? i'm at least 90% sure the gear isn't fake. my diet is spot on. i'm currently exactly 5 weeks in the cycle. should i wait longer? any input would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. i'm thinking about dropping some body fat at a 500 cal deficit ed. if and when the strength kicks it, could i gain a little strength while cutting as long as my diet's clean?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

how long have you been on?
are you using an AI?
how exactly is your diet "spot on"? calorie excess or deficit? protein intake? water intake?

 

[nisser512]

1) Your gear is fake
2) You are not eating enough
3) You are not sleeping enough

It's one or more of those.

 

[thegoodfoods]

i've been on for exactly 5 weeks

i just started using AIFM 1-2 pumps ed

i eat very clean food. oatmeal, yams, chicken, protein powder, etc. been eating 4000-4500 cals a day. i eat 6 times a day. protein is at least my body weight in grams. at least 1 1/2 gallons water a day.

should i up my protein?

my last cycle was 6 weeks long. i only waited 4-5 weeks then started this cycle. could that be why? did i not get enough of a down time?

 

[thegoodfoods]

my gear's not fake. used the same test as my last cycle and in both grew extra hair, increased aggression. first cycle got sore nips. do i HAVE to eat alot of healthy food to get gains? i'm really not trying to bulk. i've been bulking for a while now. can't really afford the extra fat

 

[20ss02]

Are you tracking your calories, or is your range of 4,000-4,500 a guess?

 

[thegoodfoods]

i track my cals everyday and it's a little closer to 4200. but even if i did eat less than that would i get stronger at that dosage? i ask this because i plan on cutting soon

 

[20ss02]

i track my cals everyday and it's a little closer to 4200. but even if i did eat less than that would i get stronger at that dosage? i ask this because i plan on cutting soon

No - If you're in a caloric deficit you will not be gaining strength and muscle mass.

What's the goal of your cycle? You said you're not making any gains, which leads me to believe you're trying to bulk. You're 5 weeks in, and now you want to try to cut.

 

[thegoodfoods]

well yea... so should i just go for the bulk? i'm kinda trying to lean bulk. anyhooo... mebbe i'm just not eating enough... i'll bulk till after pct's over, then i'll cut around spring/summer.. sound good?

 

[20ss02]

You can't carve a steak if there is no meat on the bone

Build quality muscle by bulking, then get lean by cutting.

 

[niv]

im guessing its because you didn't kick-start the cycle.. my first cycle was 500mg sust and i didn't feel it until week 5-6.. now im about to start my second cycle which is exactly like yours btw exept ill kick start with d-bol..
how long will your cycle be??

 

[52_21_30]

No - If you're in a caloric deficit you will not be gaining strength and muscle mass.

For this particular cycle I agree, but if he were using tren, halo, or winny I'd have to disagree. I'm taking in around 2800-3000 cals @ 275 lbs on tren ace ed and im strong as shit.

 

[20ss02]

For this particular cycle I agree, but if he were using tren, halo, or winny I'd have to disagree. I'm taking in around 2800-3000 cals @ 275 lbs on tren ace ed and im strong as shit.

Agreed - I made strength gains on 50mg/day of Anavar while consuming 2200 calories per day. However, in his case, insufficient calories = no increase in strength.

 

[Mrpumped]

With the calories you say you're eating and the dosages you're taking, you should beging feeling something, but you have to stay on longer than 6 weeks. Stay on the same dosages for up to 12 weeks and then do a good PCT, and wait at least 2-3 months before you do your next cycle.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

protein is at least my body weight in grams. at least 1 1/2 gallons water a day.

should i up my protein?

my last cycle was 6 weeks long. i only waited 4-5 weeks then started this cycle. could that be why? did i not get enough of a down time?

yes. on cycle 1.5-2g/lb is where you should aim for

water intake is decent (depends on bodyweight)

4-5 weeks off when using deca in the previous cycle means that you basically did not even really come off (though likely took enough to at least decently suppress your natural hormones)

 

[thegoodfoods]

how long will your cycle be??

it's a total of 11 weeks

For this particular cycle I agree, but if he were using tren, halo, or winny I'd have to disagree. I'm taking in around 2800-3000 cals @ 275 lbs on tren ace ed and im strong as shit.

can't wait till i take tren!

yes. on cycle 1.5-2g/lb is where you should aim for

water intake is decent (depends on bodyweight)

4-5 weeks off when using deca in the previous cycle means that you basically did not even really come off (though likely took enough to at least decently suppress your natural hormones)

i wasn't on deca my first cycle. it was test e. i understand what you're saying though. i should've waited a little longer. but would that lack of off time from test cause hindered gains this cycle, macro?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

i wasn't on deca my first cycle. it was test e. i understand what you're saying though. i should've waited a little longer. but would that lack of off time from test cause hindered gains this cycle, macro?

yes and no, did you make good gains on the first cycle, how about in the interim?

how much test E were you using? did you use an AI? PCT?

 

[thegoodfoods]

yes and no, did you make good gains on the first cycle, how about in the interim?

how much test E were you using? did you use an AI? PCT?

i made decent gains my first cycle. not extraordinary due to the fact that it was only test e e4d. but yes, 1 1/2 week after the last shot i had 40mg nolva and 3 pumps AIFM ed. during the cycle i used letro for about a week to get rid of sore nips. it worked.

BTW i just came back from the gym and from doing deadlifts i got an INTENSE lower back pump, like never before. and my jogging is obliterated. i get huge pumps in my feet and lower back. i bet these are the pumps i hear about

 

[macrophage69alpha]

perhaps you just need to give it a bit of time, since your were on.. then came off (sort of) and are now back on again.. as a note- the nolva is probably just now finally out of your system