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DownUnder23
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a small cap full makes u feel really fuckin drunk....it is also used as a date rape drunk on girls!
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dballer
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whatever anybody tells you ... remember.. it is not addictive.
vinylgroover
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Gamma Hydroxybutyrate.
Otherwise known as Liquid E, Fantasy or Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH). Usually comes in liquid form
Stay away from it Sponge. There is a very fine line between overdose and enough to give you a buzz. It's a depressant and anaesthetic etc and will give you a similar sensation to MDMA, but it's effects can be far more dangerous.
Otherwise known as Liquid E, Fantasy or Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH). Usually comes in liquid form
Stay away from it Sponge. There is a very fine line between overdose and enough to give you a buzz. It's a depressant and anaesthetic etc and will give you a similar sensation to MDMA, but it's effects can be far more dangerous.
VooDoo Lady
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spongebob said:
You do know that it's GHB, right?....and it's usually found in liquid form. You only need a small amount of it to make you feel drunk off of your a$$.
I can't imagine how you could put it in someones drink and not have them taste it (unless they are already fairly drunk) because it has a VERY oily feel (just the mere thought of it makes me gag).
VooDoo Lady
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vinylgroover said:
VG makes a very good point here.....it's very easy to overdose and when taken with alcohol it can be very dangerous.
sup VG
vinylgroover
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Re: Re: G
It is colourless and odourless so it can be masked to some extent. Someone without any exposure to drugs or to GHB would most probably be none the wiser.
VooDoo Lady said:
It is colourless and odourless so it can be masked to some extent. Someone without any exposure to drugs or to GHB would most probably be none the wiser.
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dballer
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Re: Re: G
GHB is not oily.. that is BDO.. BDO, GBL and GHB all have similar effects.. but all are very diffrent in their own rights.
1,4 Butiendiol(sp) is the one that is very oily.. and GBL is the one that tastes bad.. GHB usually tastes like salt.
You can mix BDO in a mixed drink.. like gin and tonic and as far as taste goes.. it is almost undetectable.
VooDoo Lady said:
GHB is not oily.. that is BDO.. BDO, GBL and GHB all have similar effects.. but all are very diffrent in their own rights.
1,4 Butiendiol(sp) is the one that is very oily.. and GBL is the one that tastes bad.. GHB usually tastes like salt.
You can mix BDO in a mixed drink.. like gin and tonic and as far as taste goes.. it is almost undetectable.
vinylgroover
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Sponge,
The point is, there are so many other drugs out there if you'RE thinking of taking it that will give you a buzz that are 'safer' then GHB. It's not worth taking the risk, and the feeling is no better than any of the 'safer' drugs around.
Back at you Voodoo
The point is, there are so many other drugs out there if you'RE thinking of taking it that will give you a buzz that are 'safer' then GHB. It's not worth taking the risk, and the feeling is no better than any of the 'safer' drugs around.
Back at you Voodoo
From the vaults fo Erowid
DESCRIPTION
GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate) is a naturally occurring component of human cells. It is used most commonly in the form of a chemical salt (Na-GHB or K-GHB) which is taken recreationally as a depressant with effects quite similar to those of alcohol. These salts are powders but are most often mixed with water for recreational use. While GHB is most notorious for a few cases where it has been given to unsuspecting individuals, it is more commonly used as a recreational intoxicant like alcohol, as a sleep-aid, or as a supplement by body-builders.
One of the major concerns with GHB is that the recreational dosage range is narrow and even small overdoses can cause temporary unrousable unconsciousness (a type of coma) and large overdoses (poisonings) can be life-threatening. There are two other chemicals which are used as GHB equivalents: 1,4-butanediol and gamma butyrlactone.
[ Main GHB Vault ]
Dose
A standard recreational dose of pure GHB powder is between 1 - 3 g, though some people use as much as 4-5 grams in a single dose: especially frequent users who have developed a tolerance. Unfortunately, GHB is most frequently found in liquid form of widely variable concentration. 1 gram of GHB powder can be dissolved into as little as 1 ml of water (this makes 5 g per tsp) or a much greater volume and there is virtually no way to tell the concentration once it's in liquid form. The only way to know the concentration of liquid GHB is to know and trust information provided by the source. Users should be extremely careful about GHB dosages as even small overdoses can result in temporarily unrousable sleep.
Price
When purchased in single doses at a club, GHB is generally sold for a couple of dollars per dose. When purchased in larger quantities (or in kits before it became illegal) it is available for $10-$50 per 100 grams.
Law
GHB is illegal to possess or sell in the United States. It became schedule I (federally) in March, 2000 though it was scheduled in many states between 1997 and 1999. Gamma butyrlactone (GBL) is not federally scheduled but is now a list 1 chemical requiring that paperwork be filed for large sales. GBL is scheduled in some states.
Chemistry
GHB is most commonly produced by combining gamma butyrlactone and a strong base such as sodium hydroxide (lye). These two substances react chemically and form the unique chemical GHB.
History
GHB was developed in the early 60s as a human anesthetic, but was discontinued due to unwanted side effects. It's use as a sleep aid and body building supplement in the 80s and as a recreational psychoactive in the 90s led to it being scheduled in the U.S. in March of 2000.
Slang
Common Slang : GHB, G, Liquid X, Liquid E, GBH, Gamma-oh, Blue Verve
Other names used in the media include : Grievous Bodily Harm, Georgia home boy, Goop, EZLay
EFFECTS
Onset
As with alcohol and many other substances, the onset of GHB will be affected by how much and how recently one has eaten. Generally this will be between 10-20 minutes.
Duration
The primary effects of GHB last approximately 1 ½ hours. For many people there is an additional period of time (1-2 hrs) of more subtle effects. Some recreational users consume GHB in a manner similar to alcohol, sipping it slowly over an evening rather than drinking a full dose all at once. In this case the duration will be longer as the period of ingestion is stretched out over time.
The Experience
The effects of GHB at recreational doses are physically quite similar to those of alcohol. At lower doses effects include relaxation, reduction of social inhibitions, decreased motor skills, mood lift and other effects similar to mild alcohol intoxication. At higher recreational doses effects can include dizziness, difficulty focusing the eyes, positive mood changes, increased appreciation of music, dancing, and talking, slurring of speech, nausea, and grogginess. The line between high recreational dose and overdose can be a narrow one. At the overdose level, individuals may experience extreme grogginess (nodding in and out of consciousness) or unconsciousness, extreme dizziness and disorientation, and vomiting. During higher overdoses (poisonings), users may experience unconsciousness, convulsions, vomiting, and potentially depressed breathing.
PROBLEMS
Unfortunately, GHB has a few prominent problems which, in combination, can be quite dangerous. The difference between a recreational dose and a mild overdose (temporarily unrousable sleep) can be as little as 1-2 grams, the equivalent of a single dosage unit. Combining GHB with alcohol can lead to overdoses at even lower levels. Also, because GHB generally comes in liquid form and because the concentration of this liquid is difficult to determine, it is relatively common for people to accidentally take a larger dose of GHB than they think they are taking. Everyone thinks it can't happen to them, but people should be extremely careful about knowing the concentration of the material they use and about measurement techniques. GHB should be stored in a container which could never be mistaken for a beverage container and liquid GHB should be colored blue so it can not be mistaken for water. Powdered GHB is much less likely to be accidentally ingested.
In addition to the problems around dosage, GHB also has a problem with the specific effects of an overdose. At higher overdose levels, GHB can produce both unconsciousness and vomiting. This can be an extremely dangerous combination. Vomiting while laying unconscious on one's back can lead to aspiration (inhalation) of the vomit which can cause suffocation and damage to the lungs. Individuals who are unconscious and vomiting should be turned on their side and their airway cleared so they do not inhale their vomit, and should be constantly monitored until help arrives or they become conscious. People who find themselves alone in this situation should try to position themselves so vomit inhalation can not happen if they fall unconscious.
Beyond the respiration of vomit, it has been suggested that GHB poisonings (high overdoses) can cause death but this is not a well understood or researched issue. The DEA reports over 60 GHB related deaths in the U.S. over the past 5 years, about 2/3 of these are poly-drug mortalities while 1/3 are GHB only.
Another problem associated with GHB is the issue of rape & assault that goes along with chemicals which can be added to drinks and given to unsuspecting victims.
Addiction Potential
The addiction potential of GHB is not well known, but from reports it appears that GHB can be both physically addicting and mentally habituating for a small percentage of users. We have received reports from a few individuals of severe withdrawal symptoms lasting for several days following repeated daily use. These symptoms include a strong desire to repeat the experience, difficulty sleeping, vertigo, and worrisome chest pains. We have not received any reports from users who find it difficult to stay off GHB once the withdrawal period is over.
Contraindications
Do not mix GHB with Alcohol. This can be an extremely dangerous combination.
Avoid mixing GHB with other depressants such as sleep aids and opiates.
DESCRIPTION
GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate) is a naturally occurring component of human cells. It is used most commonly in the form of a chemical salt (Na-GHB or K-GHB) which is taken recreationally as a depressant with effects quite similar to those of alcohol. These salts are powders but are most often mixed with water for recreational use. While GHB is most notorious for a few cases where it has been given to unsuspecting individuals, it is more commonly used as a recreational intoxicant like alcohol, as a sleep-aid, or as a supplement by body-builders.
One of the major concerns with GHB is that the recreational dosage range is narrow and even small overdoses can cause temporary unrousable unconsciousness (a type of coma) and large overdoses (poisonings) can be life-threatening. There are two other chemicals which are used as GHB equivalents: 1,4-butanediol and gamma butyrlactone.
[ Main GHB Vault ]
Dose
A standard recreational dose of pure GHB powder is between 1 - 3 g, though some people use as much as 4-5 grams in a single dose: especially frequent users who have developed a tolerance. Unfortunately, GHB is most frequently found in liquid form of widely variable concentration. 1 gram of GHB powder can be dissolved into as little as 1 ml of water (this makes 5 g per tsp) or a much greater volume and there is virtually no way to tell the concentration once it's in liquid form. The only way to know the concentration of liquid GHB is to know and trust information provided by the source. Users should be extremely careful about GHB dosages as even small overdoses can result in temporarily unrousable sleep.
Price
When purchased in single doses at a club, GHB is generally sold for a couple of dollars per dose. When purchased in larger quantities (or in kits before it became illegal) it is available for $10-$50 per 100 grams.
Law
GHB is illegal to possess or sell in the United States. It became schedule I (federally) in March, 2000 though it was scheduled in many states between 1997 and 1999. Gamma butyrlactone (GBL) is not federally scheduled but is now a list 1 chemical requiring that paperwork be filed for large sales. GBL is scheduled in some states.
Chemistry
GHB is most commonly produced by combining gamma butyrlactone and a strong base such as sodium hydroxide (lye). These two substances react chemically and form the unique chemical GHB.
History
GHB was developed in the early 60s as a human anesthetic, but was discontinued due to unwanted side effects. It's use as a sleep aid and body building supplement in the 80s and as a recreational psychoactive in the 90s led to it being scheduled in the U.S. in March of 2000.
Slang
Common Slang : GHB, G, Liquid X, Liquid E, GBH, Gamma-oh, Blue Verve
Other names used in the media include : Grievous Bodily Harm, Georgia home boy, Goop, EZLay
EFFECTS
Onset
As with alcohol and many other substances, the onset of GHB will be affected by how much and how recently one has eaten. Generally this will be between 10-20 minutes.
Duration
The primary effects of GHB last approximately 1 ½ hours. For many people there is an additional period of time (1-2 hrs) of more subtle effects. Some recreational users consume GHB in a manner similar to alcohol, sipping it slowly over an evening rather than drinking a full dose all at once. In this case the duration will be longer as the period of ingestion is stretched out over time.
The Experience
The effects of GHB at recreational doses are physically quite similar to those of alcohol. At lower doses effects include relaxation, reduction of social inhibitions, decreased motor skills, mood lift and other effects similar to mild alcohol intoxication. At higher recreational doses effects can include dizziness, difficulty focusing the eyes, positive mood changes, increased appreciation of music, dancing, and talking, slurring of speech, nausea, and grogginess. The line between high recreational dose and overdose can be a narrow one. At the overdose level, individuals may experience extreme grogginess (nodding in and out of consciousness) or unconsciousness, extreme dizziness and disorientation, and vomiting. During higher overdoses (poisonings), users may experience unconsciousness, convulsions, vomiting, and potentially depressed breathing.
PROBLEMS
Unfortunately, GHB has a few prominent problems which, in combination, can be quite dangerous. The difference between a recreational dose and a mild overdose (temporarily unrousable sleep) can be as little as 1-2 grams, the equivalent of a single dosage unit. Combining GHB with alcohol can lead to overdoses at even lower levels. Also, because GHB generally comes in liquid form and because the concentration of this liquid is difficult to determine, it is relatively common for people to accidentally take a larger dose of GHB than they think they are taking. Everyone thinks it can't happen to them, but people should be extremely careful about knowing the concentration of the material they use and about measurement techniques. GHB should be stored in a container which could never be mistaken for a beverage container and liquid GHB should be colored blue so it can not be mistaken for water. Powdered GHB is much less likely to be accidentally ingested.
In addition to the problems around dosage, GHB also has a problem with the specific effects of an overdose. At higher overdose levels, GHB can produce both unconsciousness and vomiting. This can be an extremely dangerous combination. Vomiting while laying unconscious on one's back can lead to aspiration (inhalation) of the vomit which can cause suffocation and damage to the lungs. Individuals who are unconscious and vomiting should be turned on their side and their airway cleared so they do not inhale their vomit, and should be constantly monitored until help arrives or they become conscious. People who find themselves alone in this situation should try to position themselves so vomit inhalation can not happen if they fall unconscious.
Beyond the respiration of vomit, it has been suggested that GHB poisonings (high overdoses) can cause death but this is not a well understood or researched issue. The DEA reports over 60 GHB related deaths in the U.S. over the past 5 years, about 2/3 of these are poly-drug mortalities while 1/3 are GHB only.
Another problem associated with GHB is the issue of rape & assault that goes along with chemicals which can be added to drinks and given to unsuspecting victims.
Addiction Potential
The addiction potential of GHB is not well known, but from reports it appears that GHB can be both physically addicting and mentally habituating for a small percentage of users. We have received reports from a few individuals of severe withdrawal symptoms lasting for several days following repeated daily use. These symptoms include a strong desire to repeat the experience, difficulty sleeping, vertigo, and worrisome chest pains. We have not received any reports from users who find it difficult to stay off GHB once the withdrawal period is over.
Contraindications
Do not mix GHB with Alcohol. This can be an extremely dangerous combination.
Avoid mixing GHB with other depressants such as sleep aids and opiates.
hippedy hop
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Re: Re: Re: G
1,4 taste like shit too, gbl tastes like plastic, ghb tastes like salt and would be the easiest to slip in a drink. But you would have to be drinking something very fast not to notice the taste of it.
it is favored among bodybuilders as an alternative to alcohol b/c it does no harm to the body and is out of your system in 6 hours. mixing with alcohol or other downers is very dangerous. this is a very unpredictable drug and should only be done with people you trust and that have experience with it.
if you take too much you pass out and are pretty much incoherent for 2-5 hours.
not a good idea to use when driving.
www.erowid.org if you are more curious
dballer said:
1,4 taste like shit too, gbl tastes like plastic, ghb tastes like salt and would be the easiest to slip in a drink. But you would have to be drinking something very fast not to notice the taste of it.
it is favored among bodybuilders as an alternative to alcohol b/c it does no harm to the body and is out of your system in 6 hours. mixing with alcohol or other downers is very dangerous. this is a very unpredictable drug and should only be done with people you trust and that have experience with it.
if you take too much you pass out and are pretty much incoherent for 2-5 hours.
not a good idea to use when driving.
www.erowid.org if you are more curious
To each his own. G is actually a very safe and beneficial drug when taken properly. Its the irresponsible ones who give it a bad rap. Don't be scared of it, be responsible with it, feel out your own limits. Start from the bottom and gradually increase you dose until you have found your limit. And maybe it will soon become your drug of choice also.
hippedy hop
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saint808 said:
for sex, last longer
vinylgroover
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orca said:
No flame taken. GBH is an anaesthetic. Too much (and there is a fine line) can put you in a comatose state.
Each drug has it's own dangers and it's own apllication and effects, all i'm saying is that the dangers of GHB IMO is not worth the feeling i ever got out of it. I only stick to MDMA if i take anything and although it too has it's dangers, i'll take my chances on that than GHB anyday. You obviously have a different opinion.
hippedy hop
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vinylgroover said:
nuero rey? is that call it.
vinylgroover
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hippedy hop said:
I think i know what you said, but not sure
spongebob
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thanks for the info everyone.
dballer, ive done some of the most addictive drugs there is and never had a problem, my attention span wont allow it because i get bored very shortly with eveything i do. but i was just a little curious about g, thats all.
vinylgroover, thanks for the warning but i was just looking into it. i like to experiment every once in awhile and thought id check it out. i'll probably stay away from it.
well is there any other drug someone can suggest. not shrooms dballer, that shit would drive me crazy. even though i use to love acid but i quit that long ago.
dballer, ive done some of the most addictive drugs there is and never had a problem, my attention span wont allow it because i get bored very shortly with eveything i do. but i was just a little curious about g, thats all.
vinylgroover, thanks for the warning but i was just looking into it. i like to experiment every once in awhile and thought id check it out. i'll probably stay away from it.
well is there any other drug someone can suggest. not shrooms dballer, that shit would drive me crazy. even though i use to love acid but i quit that long ago.
I hate to see people scared away from G. I've been taking it for a while and have seen the good and bad associated with G. I've also taken many other drugs and G is by far and away the best that I have ever tried. True it may become habit forming (not addicting) but I try to not make it a habbit. Other than that it is the perfect drug for a responsible person. Damn the idiots that fucked up its reputation and Damn the idiots spreading wrong information. Do some reading and research and then make your decision.
Jimsbbc
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This was one of my favs. It's like being drunk and tripping at the same time, but you can function in public and have a good time. Everyone says it is dangerous, blah blah - i never had any probs on it. You just have to find the dose good for you. I would much rather G than smoke herb or anything else.
vinylgroover
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Snoop said:
Sponge asked what it was and what it does. I responded by telling him MY OPINION from experience with it and from what i've read. It's just my opinion. Sponge can weigh up the pro's and cons for himself and decide.
Sponge has experienced drugs, but a person with no experience with drugs, is far more likely to overdose on GHB than they are on E. How many people do you know that have taken 5 E's the first time. How many people do you know that have taken too much GHB. That is the point i'm making.
Everyone should make educated decisions about the things they put into their bodies. But the key word here is educated. People should not be making decisions that serious on what some guy posted on EF. That misinformation kills people. I'm just saying people shouldn't do or not do something just from some random guy's opinion.
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dballer
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Snoop said:
bullshit.. it is addicting..
One of my best friends was using 2oz of GBL every hour... he did it for a year.. when he stopped he had seizures. Keep "trying" not to make it a habit and lying to yourself.
spongebob said:
SpongeBoB, have you been living under a rock?
LOL
Anyways, when i come down to Houston I'll introduce you
to my favourite chemical.
And GHB is OILY when it MELTS. An yes, it CAN melt.
Just leave it out on the counter for 24hrs and you'll see.
I prefer the liquid variety. Custom-made for a reduced
salty taste. Makes it drinkable by itself no less.
Fonz
saint808 said:
Wrong.
Every person wants a social life.
GHB gives you the ability to have a normal social life
without screwing up your bodybuilding goals.
Some people prefer Xanax or Ambien or Valium or whatever.
But they do not come CLOSE to what you feel on GHB.
My senses expand by a factor of 20 and I feel like
a million dollars, yet it has no toxic effects on your body.
(Something that can definately NOT be said for alcohol)
Also, FYI, GHB+Bromo is in fact LIPOLYTIC.
Fonz
I know a lot of people that use "gear" (hehehe, I love code words, they crack me up) that take it to help them sleep. It basically gives you a better, or more frequent REM cycle. This helps aid in the muscle building process. Basically, you can feel like you have had a full nights sleep within 3 hours. Once you get past the sleepy stage, you are going to feel like a crack head though, just like anything. G and alcohol are bad. Never mix them. I personally would never take it because I have seen too many people die from either an OD or mixing it with other substances... ie alcohol. If I WERE to take it. I would go online and buy the kit for like $30 and make it at my house. You will make a few gallons of it and it is really really easy to do. But ofcourse I don't know anything about it 
thank you, the end.
thank you, the end.
68GT350
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NicolePap said:I personally I have enjoyed the time I spent with my friend GHB- but in the last year- one friend has died (these people I speak of are not rookies by any means) and 3 have spent a night or more in the hospital- one of these 3 was in a coma- Im not sure its worth the risk for me anymore- use with caution know your source... and start small-- for the more concentrated types- 3 drops can be the difference of a good feeling party drug- to drooling and convulsing...
Boachie- you can get in online if you really wanted it (not that Id buy it)
Our experience has left me with one true lesson. Drugs are bad.
I'm done with that. Too much boozing too.
LivinLarger
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Sorry bro, I know all of the web sites say that but I can assure you GHB and GBL both taste like ass.
vinylgroover
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LivinLarger said:
I said colourless and odourless, not tasteless.
I know it tastes like ass, but because it's colourless and odourless that's why people use it to spike drinks.
Daeo
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Here's a link that I believe will be helpful http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=123137&highlight=ghb. If you can't handle GHB then you better stay away from drugs period...
Night Fly
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Okay...I have a stupid question. If you take GHB and then an hour and a half later you aren't feeling it anymore...well...that doesn't mean it's completely out of your system, does it? (I am 99.9% sure...but wanted to double check). And if I am wrong on that account...would drinking alcohol later on in the evening be a problem?
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dballer
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I am sure all of us can aggree that nobody tries somthing especially G thinking it could end up being a problem.Daeo said:
vinylgroover
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Night Fly,
It all depends on how much you take, but generally, the effects last for three hours. Doesn't mean it has left your system, just the effects taper off.
To be on the safe side, don't drink any alcohol after having taken it. Like any drug, it takes time to actually leave the sytem
It all depends on how much you take, but generally, the effects last for three hours. Doesn't mean it has left your system, just the effects taper off.
To be on the safe side, don't drink any alcohol after having taken it. Like any drug, it takes time to actually leave the sytem
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dballer
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Daeo said:
100%!!!
Hey man.. did you ever get that car?
We got that blue one out about a month ago and it ran a 6.70 off the trailer!!!
I just got my brother a 1975 Trans Am.. it is all orig. but needs restoration. I plan on helping him through this. We are going to sell off some of the valuable parts like the posi rear end and some of the interior parts to make it a heads up nitrous car.
Daeo
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dballer said:
Nope. I'm holding off until spring now. There's a classic car show that rolls into town around March. Maybe if that blue camaro is still around I'll pick that up. 6.70 is insane. Building a house right now and the camaro has to sit on the back burner. But I will get one goddamn it...
MaGilicuti
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i have a thread in the club forum with a kid who died off it recently
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