Fucking DHT!!

[murderthedeadlift]

I lost some thickness on my last cycle(Hair) ANd this time im not taking chances.I will be on 700wk IP supertest , 400wk IP Deca, and 50mg ed IP Dbol. How much finastride should i take daily?

 

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I'd start at 1mg ED for a few weeks and then switch up to 0.5mg EOD to see if that dosage works. If it doesn't, I'd stick with the 1mg/day.

 

[AMGETR]

I'm using 2.5 mg finasteride daily Is it too much?

 

[pentatonic]

I lost some thickness on my last cycle(Hair) ANd this time im not taking chances.I will be on 700wk IP supertest , 400wk IP Deca, and 50mg ed IP Dbol. How much finastride should i take daily?

Based on everything i've read, Finasteride shouldn't be used with Deca, supposedly will make you shed worse.

 

[murderthedeadlift]

Make it worse???? Never heard that, any one else?

 

[AMGETR]

Finasteride shouldn't be used with EQ either.

 

[informed09]

I have heard that and gone through it! Deca+Finasteride= Shaved head for me atleast. I wouldnt take the chance. Mine fell out by the hand fulls. It was bad!

 

[riverrock]

Finasteride won't do shit for you as regards preventing EQ or D-Bol related hairloss. Also, from research it turns Deca into a shredder aswell. So, the rule is......finasteride works with test and nothing else

 

[krishna]

Finasteride only works with test based gear. I'd start a topical arsenal if I was you. Crush up your finasteride and mix it with emu oil and apply it topically. Shampoo your hair at least twice a week with nizoral. You can throw some spiro in the mix too.

 

[turbogreek]

Finasteride won't do shit for you as regards preventing EQ or D-Bol related hairloss. Also, from research it turns Deca into a shredder aswell. So, the rule is......finasteride works with test and nothing else

yo riv...i've never heard that finasteride doesn't work with dbol. i'm taking 500mg/week omnas w/25mg dbol/day. i'm going into week 5 so i'll be dropping the dbol.

like AMGETR...i've been taking 2.5mg finasteride/day sinse day 1 and i've lost little to no hair. this is my first time with test or dbol but i took winny that sheddied me bad and i also took EQ which shedded me bad.

so far so good!

 

[Mackavelli~Returns]

when you shed hair on a cycle does it grow back or lost forever?

 

[harpreet]

ARIMEDEX!!!!cmon people wake up.one 25 mg pill every other day.this drug stops dht from the start.propecia blocks dht,take both and WALA!!!you might feel a bit weaker at first but it should subside.

 

[krishna]

ARIMEDEX!!!!cmon people wake up.1 25 mg pill every other day.this drug stops dht from the start.propecia blocks dht,take both and WALA!!!you might feel a bit weaker at first but it should subside.

DUDE! Where do you get your info...HIGH TIMES? Lol. Propecia doesn't block DHT, it stops test from converting to DHT by neutralizing the 5-AR enzyme. Arimidex stops aromatization, which is test converting to ESTROGEN, not DHT. In fact, using a-dex will probably cause more hair loss because none of your test will aromatize, which will leave more free test available to convert to DHT instead.

 

[krishna]

DUDE! Where do you get your info...HIGH TIMES? Lol. Propecia doesn't block DHT, it stops test from converting to DHT by neutralizing the 5-AR enzyme. Arimidex stops aromatization, which is test converting to ESTROGEN, not DHT. In fact, using a-dex will probably cause more hair loss because none of your test will aromatize, which will leave more free test available to convert to DHT instead.

With that said, I have this theory that if you use them both together like this guy said it won't increase your ability to keep your hair anymore than propecia alone, but it will keep all your test leves high because none of it can aromatize or convert to DHT. Could very well improve gains, at least theoretically. But then again, low estrogen means low water and that might not be good for gains.

 

[turbogreek]

ARIMEDEX!!!!cmon people wake up.one 25 mg pill every other day.this drug stops dht from the start.propecia blocks dht,take both and WALA!!!you might feel a bit weaker at first but it should subside.

bro...being your first post...maybe you should research a bit more before you post again. giving out wrong information can really screw somebody up if they don't know any better. the amazing part is that you were so sure about that post telling people to "wake up".

krishna is 100% correct. bro...you're wrong.

 

[riverrock]

yo riv...i've never heard that finasteride doesn't work with dbol. i'm taking 500mg/week omnas w/25mg dbol/day. i'm going into week 5 so i'll be dropping the dbol.

like AMGETR...i've been taking 2.5mg finasteride/day sinse day 1 and i've lost little to no hair. this is my first time with test or dbol but i took winny that sheddied me bad and i also took EQ which shedded me bad.

so far so good!

Winnie can cause alot of hairloss, but it will grow back if you are not prone to MPB. Many Bros have reported their hair as "sick" looking when on Winnie. However, if you are prone to MPB, then you will shed permanently while on Winnie. However, finasteride works by blocking the enzyme that converts Testosterone to DHT. This only applies to Test. As for any DHT derivitives, well blocking the enzyme will make no difference. So, its test and test only. There is no medical research whatsoever to suuport anything else, so don't expect any protection from D-Bol if your prone. The reason Jay Cutler has a full head of hair is obviously since he's not MPB prone.

Also, in responce to your other question you sent...I got a hair transplant the first week in April. It'll be a few months yet before I see results, but I have promised to put up pics as soon as i see them! Good luck Bro and any questiona at all - please ask

 

[murderthedeadlift]

Fuck.

 

[wayneboard1]

With that said, I have this theory that if you use them both together like this guy said it won't increase your ability to keep your hair anymore than propecia alone, but it will keep all your test leves high because none of it can aromatize or convert to DHT. Could very well improve gains, at least theoretically. But then again, low estrogen means low water and that might not be good for gains.

I sure am glad that guys like you and turbogeek are around here. It really pisses me off when I read crap about "waking up" and find it is all false info. Thankfully since I am researching more each day I am learning to see those false posts. Keep up the good work and K to the two of you.

 

[Umpa]

How effective is nizoral for preventing hair loss on a Test. cycle?

 

[harpreet]

How effective is nizoral for preventing hair loss on a Test. cycle?

sorry guys i posted what somebody had told me,wrong info obviously.

 

[krishna]

I lost some thickness on my last cycle(Hair) ANd this time im not taking chances.I will be on 700wk IP supertest , 400wk IP Deca, and 50mg ed IP Dbol. How much finastride should i take daily?

Finasteride would work well with the test, but it's not recommended to use with deca - it will prevent it from converting to dhn which is less harsh on your hair then nonconverted deca.

 

[junk]

The Deca-5-Alpha-Reductase-DHN triangle has never been proved beyond paper chemisty theory. There is no evidance as to how severe in terms of hair loss blocking 5-alpha-reductase with nandrolone would be. Never proved if taking deca with test would still prefer finasteride out of the equation and less hair loss would occur. Actually, real world experiece teach otherwise.

Three points to remember:

1. If you're taking deca/tren along with test use 5-alpha-reductase block such as finasteride or better avodart (dutasteride) regardless, especially if your MPB prone. period.

2. If you've got the money / really like your hair, get Avodart (dutasteride) to obtain 30% more reduction in DHT levels with just 0.5mg of dutasteride as compared to 5mg of finasteride. This is believed to be due to avodart's inhibiting type I and type II of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

3. Topical DHT blockers such as spironolactone or topical stimulators such as minoxidil can't hurt either.

 

[krishna]

Well seeing how DHN is a less potent androgen, it would make sense logically (if nothing else) to say that by blocking the 5-AR enzyme, you are keeping deca/tren in a more androgenic state for longer periods, therefore causing more damage to your hair. Plenty of people have had horrible experiences with using finasteride and nandrolones together. If this guy is going to take finasteride anyway, then I seriously suggest getting some topical spiro, which is an androgen antagonist, and will help with keeping the heavy androgens from terrorizing the scalp.

 

[LoneTree]

Based on everything i've read, Finasteride shouldn't be used with Deca, supposedly will make you shed worse.

That is not correct.
I shed on Deca in first cycle.
Took 5 mg ED in next cycle - no shedding.

 

[krishna]

That is not correct.
I shed on Deca in first cycle.
Took 5 mg ED in next cycle - no shedding.

Deca only? If it was deca only both times, then the finasteride did not help you keep your hair; you simply shed more at one point rather than another. And if you were using other gear in those cycles, you cannot pin the shedding on deca only. Deca by itself isn't as androgenic as tren, and rarely causes hair loss.

 

[falcon9901]

How well would finasteride work, if at all, with:

Week 1-12: Test E-500mg EQ-400mg ?

 

[Guvna]

I suck tonight. I might try tomorrow.

 

[Guvna]

I'm using 2.5 mg finasteride daily Is it too much?

Yes, overkill. Studies show only a slight improvement in the reduction of DHT levels from 1-5 mgs.

 

[krishna]

yes.


There is a TON of misinformation on this thread. Ignore all the posts. Please.


1) Deca and finasteride converts to DHN, where is LESS hard on the hair than DHT. If you are taking test and deca, TAKE FINASTERIDE if you have shedding problems.

2) finasteride works for test based gear.

This is wrong! Where did you get that finasteride converts to dhn? Deca converts to dhn via 5-AR enzyme. Finasteride inhibits this enzyme, therefore, not allowing the enzyme to convert the deca to dhn. Deca in it's nonconverted form is a more potent androgen than dhn. If you block the 5-AR enzyme, you're not allowing deca to be reduced, keeping it more androgenic, and more harmful to your hair. I usually agree with you guvna, but you're a bit off on this one.

http://www.steroid.com/story.php?sid=1

 

[GeneticFreak18]

wait i thought you could still take it with EQ just not deca?

 

[krishna]

wait i thought you could still take it with EQ just not deca?

Ya you can take it with EQ. It won't help prevent EQ hair loss as EQ is reduced to dihydroboldenone via 5ar enzyme, but it won't hurt any to take it like it would with tren or deca. EQ is usually pretty mild on the hair anyway. If you stack test and EQ, then take the finasteride.

 

[Guvna]

This is wrong! Where did you get that finasteride converts to dhn? Deca converts to dhn via 5-AR enzyme. Finasteride inhibits this enzyme, therefore, not allowing the enzyme to convert the deca to dhn. Deca in it's nonconverted form is a more potent androgen than dhn. If you block the 5-AR enzyme, you're not allowing deca to be reduced, keeping it more androgenic, and more harmful to your hair. I usually agree with you guvna, but you're a bit off on this one.

http://www.steroid.com/story.php?sid=1

That is exactly what I meant. I just said it in the simpilest and shortest terms i could, becuase i am feeling very lazy tonight. Obviously, it was too short and simple.



EDIT: reading back on it. It does sound like shit...LOL. Its been a looong night, and it aint over yet.

 

[krishna]

That is exactly what I meant. I just said it in the simpilest and shortest terms i could, becuase i am feeling very lazy tonight. Obviously, it was too short and simple.



EDIT: reading back on it. It does sound like shit...LOL. Its been a looong night, and it aint over yet.

Haha....we've all been there bro!