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Fruit and Diet

bottom line:

fruit is sugar.





post workout I think its fine for cutting.....




even apple slices with peanut butter is ok.




just be sure to count them in your carb total
 
If your cutting diet is as strict as a pre-contest prep, I'd say cut the fruit - its just a sucrose sugar source. This would be the recommendation for say 8 weeks out from contest day. After following a restricted, high protein diet for that long, I'd recommend doing a detox diet (cuts out a lot of the proteins & focuses on juiced fruits & veggies) for no longer than a week to replenish the enzymes (from fruit) that have been removed from the diet for so long. These are the things that help the body shuttle out toxins, etc. that can accumulate in the body and cause things like acne, etc.

Other than that, low GI fruits such as strawberries, kiwi and grapefruit, in moderation, are a great thing to incorporate into your diet where you would put a carb source (e.g. morning meal, around training time) and also aid digestion.
 
The Shadow said:
bottom line:

fruit is sugar.





post workout I think its fine for cutting.....




even apple slices with peanut butter is ok.






just be sure to count them in your carb total
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What about in the morning? I'm looking for alternative's to eggs (can't eat em) and oatmeal (love it, but every day is a little much). I've read that if you're going to eat fruit, eat it in the morning. True? I'm not a big fan of it, but like I said, need some alternatives!!
 
Sweet_Bitch said:
What about in the morning? I'm looking for alternative's to eggs (can't eat em) and oatmeal (love it, but every day is a little much). I've read that if you're going to eat fruit, eat it in the morning. True? I'm not a big fan of it, but like I said, need some alternatives!!
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well.....fruit is not a good substite for eggs.....


you are dropping your protein and fat to add simnple sugars...to eat with complex sugars...



I think the thing about am fruit is more geared toward...."YOu have all day to burn the carbs off."



again - moderation is the key...it would be "best" to add it immediately post workout....





get a good whey protein for am meal
 
You can't swap fruit for eggs (or another protein source). You need protein in the morning. Try making an omelet--4 egg whites, 1 whole egg, mix in some chopped green peppers, spinach, tomatoes, whatever floats your boat. That's the only way I can eat eggs. And alternate oatmeal with other sources of carbs--cream of wheat, whole wheat toast, etc. That way you won't get sick of eating it every day.

I always have a few strawberries or some grapes either in the morning or after a workout. I'd rather have some strawberries and blueberries (a natural food source) on a grilled chicken salad than some disgusting type of fat free/low sugar processed salad dressing crap.
 
The Shadow said:
well.....fruit is not a good substite for eggs.....


you are dropping your protein and fat to add simnple sugars...to eat with complex sugars...



I think the thing about am fruit is more geared toward...."YOu have all day to burn the carbs off."



again - moderation is the key...it would be "best" to add it immediately post workout....





get a good whey protein for am meal
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Can't stand most protein shakes-haven't found one yet that I can drink. I have a real issue with the consistency of them. Any suggestions?
 
sure - any WHey will work.....


try:

Nitrotech

Juiced Protein



ANY whey will be extremely smooth
 
You can also mix the protein mix INTO your oatmeal. You can also substitute some turkey patties, hunk of chicken, etc. Its hard to think of Meal 1 as something other than "breakfast food", but whatever provides a good protein source is a viable meal component.
 
You don't have to have "breakfast food" like eggs for breakfast..... have chicken/rice/veggies or leftovers, etc..... Or find some new ways to make the eggs....

Check out the sticky above "Recipe Thread!" or Obiwan's "Yummy" Thread in the Muscle Food board -- some good ideas abound....
 
jenscats5 said:
You don't have to have "breakfast food" like eggs for breakfast..... have chicken/rice/veggies or leftovers, etc..... Or find some new ways to make the eggs....

Check out the sticky above "Recipe Thread!" or Obiwan's "Yummy" Thread in the Muscle Food board -- some good ideas abound....
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I agree. I get sick of eggs, too - and will have a salad with a can of tuna + tomatoes, etc for breakfast. (I brush my teeth again afterwards. :qt: )
 
Sweet_Bitch said:
What's everyone's opinion on combining fruit with a cutting diet? Good/Bad/Indifferent? What types?
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I generally avoid fruit while dieting, but if you must, I believe their are 2 times in the day when liver glycogen is needed the most (fruit is good at replynishing liver glycogen). First thing in the morning, or immediately before your workout.

Shadow, fruit is not ideal PWO and is in no way superior to dextrose. Fruit may be sugar, but despite this, it actually elicits a very low insulin response.
 
psychedout said:
I generally avoid fruit while dieting, but if you must, I believe their are 2 times in the day when liver glycogen is needed the most (fruit is good at replynishing liver glycogen). First thing in the morning, or immediately before your workout.

Shadow, fruit is not ideal PWO and is in no way superior to dextrose. Fruit may be sugar, but despite this, it actually elicits a very low insulin response.
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No one said it was ideal Broly...I said that if you must have it when dieting po is the best time of the day.

am on an empty stomach certainly isnt ideal as am cardio is the theme


...and the question wasnt about insulin spikes...it i a question of finding an appop time to eat fruit because of its taste and palatability
 
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I wish ice cream (specifically mint chocolate chip) post workout with whey (or whatever) would be the best choice for cutting.
 
ASU said:
Which one is more beneficial while cutting for post workout,
fruits or oats (complex carbs)?
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rule is simple carbs are btter immed after training
 
The Shadow said:
rule is simple carbs are btter immed after training
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I heard alot about simple carbs makes females retain water and make their tummy flabby.. Is this true or just a myth?
 
deltreefitness said:
Isn't sugar from fruit Fructose?
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Yea you got me. I knew it ended in -ose. (I'm flying around the moon on claritin today so I guess I took a left turn at Saturn or something...)
 
The Shadow said:
No one said it was ideal Broly...I said that if you must have it when dieting po is the best time of the day.

am on an empty stomach certainly isnt ideal as am cardio is the theme


...and the question wasnt about insulin spikes...it i a question of finding an appop time to eat fruit because of its taste and palatability
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Point taken. :) It does make sense.
 
Im sticking to the 1/2 cup oats post workout for now, till I get convinced that simple carbs (malt/dex) more beneficial post workout and not make your stomach flabby
 
ASU said:
Im sticking to the 1/2 cup oats post workout for now, till I get convinced that simple carbs (malt/dex) more beneficial post workout and not make your stomach flabby
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excess carbs make you fat...PERIOD.


the point of PO nutrition is to get nutrients to the body asap...thats why you need simple carbs...



but - suit yourself....
 
Give me a week or two with the oats and I'll switch it up to simple carbs and see what happens :)
I'd rather have a banana with my shake than sweet tarts or the dex/malt mixture
 
sour candy? I can handle that! I love sour candy too!
Does this work the same as the malt/dex as smiple carbs?
 
My current diet looks very similar to the "Crum's diet"
Lots protein, fats and fibers and carbs only post weight training and non on cardio days.

They suggest Orange Juice for post workout carbs, but there are no malt or dex in the orange juice
 
ASU said:
Im sticking to the 1/2 cup oats post workout for now, till I get convinced that simple carbs (malt/dex) more beneficial post workout and not make your stomach flabby
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No one thing is going to make your stomach flabby unless you're incredibly lean and preparing for a comp, when everything you put into your mouth matters. There are several components that add up to "flabbiness" - like Shadow was trying to say - watch the rest of your carbs and you'll be fine.

Personally, I have a hard time mentally with including sugar post workout. My body has never responded negatively to it, but I prefer fruit because my mind can handle it a little better :p :rolleyes: Very silly, I know...
 
ashley. Thanks now it makes sense to me :) as long as I keep my carbs low and have sugar post workout I would be fine

How many grams of carbs (sweet tarts or other sugar would I need post workout)
If this is my only carb meal and the rest of my meals comes from fiber veggies
 
I eat tuna

jenscats5 said:
You don't have to have "breakfast food" like eggs for breakfast..... have chicken/rice/veggies or leftovers, etc..... Or find some new ways to make the eggs....

Check out the sticky above "Recipe Thread!" or Obiwan's "Yummy" Thread in the Muscle Food board -- some good ideas abound....
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