frontloading with Prop. before Enanth.

[Metal Gear]

This has confused me for a while. When starting a Test Enanth. cycle, since it takes 2-3 weeks to kick in, people use Prop the first few weeks to just start the cycle until Enanth. kicks in. Now, my question is if your dosage for Enanth. for the cycle is lets say 1000mg a week, how much Prop. and Enanth. do you take weeks 1-3 before Enanth. kicks in?

 

[Metal Gear]

come on guys, I need an answer quick so I knowhow many Test Prop. I need to order for monday!

 

[Golfer18--old]

I don't know what other guys do but if I my total amout of enan is 1g a week. I take 600mg prop and 400mg enan for the first 2 weeks.

 

[Metal Gear]

Ok, that's almost what I was thinking, I was thinking more in line of 400 mg of Prop + 600 Enath. (I wouldn't mind doing 1000mg + 600 mg of prop though! )

more input please...

 

[stonecold54]

I will be doing 100mg of prop eod for the first four weeks along with 500 mg of test cyp with 400 mg of deca maybe some dbol thrown in the first two weeks for a HELL of a kick start. after I stop prop I will up the cyp to either 750 or 1 gram I have not decided yet and then the last four weeks of my cycle I will throw in some winny to keep clomid as close to the end of my cycle as possible.

stonecold54

 

[liquidmuscle]

i am taking 400mgs cyp, 350mgs prop

 

[Metal Gear]

Why do you need to front load prop?

Because it takes 2-3 weeks for Enanth. to kick in and I like to get a nice kick start with prop because it's fast acting so I won't be running anadrol by itself. The results are a lot better having both esters active in your body at the same time.

 

[XBiker]

Why do you need to front load prop?

You don't frontload prop, you run it EOD.

 

[Metal Gear]

Maybe fronload is not the correct term. Basically have it replace the enanth. that will be kicking in weeks 2 or 3. I need to know the amount of prop to you take to fill in the gap.

 

[thecockdiesel]

I just take my normal enanthate dose the entire cycle, then I add prop for the first two or three weeks.

Example:
Enanthate weeks 1-10 1000mg
Propionate weeks 1-3 100mg EOD
EQ weeks 1-10 600mg

 

[Metal Gear]

Man, you guys don't read do you? Like I said, frontload wasn't the right wording. Maybe I should have said "front start"! I know about cycling bro I'mnot a fucken rookie. I know about prop. I just wanted to know if it should replace the dosage or be added to the top of the dosage. Everbody knows you don't frontload with fast acting esters. No shit! READ THE POSTS!

 

[Diz]

I just take my normal enanthate dose the entire cycle, then I add prop for the first two or three weeks.

Example:
Enanthate weeks 1-10 1000mg
Propionate weeks 1-3 100mg EOD
EQ weeks 1-10 600mg

that pretty much says it all.great cycle!!

 

[nautica]

What you are doing is frontloading with prop. If you want to correctly frontload your enth then double the amount of enth the first week or so and it will kick in much quicker and your blood concentration levels will be much more stable.

Do a search on Andy13 and frontloading he has a graphical representation of frontloading with 2 esters verses frontloading with one ester.

Good luck
nautica

 

[Metal Gear]

You know what bro, I tried frontloading with EQ last time and it only kicked in maybe 5-7 days earlier and used shit load of it to frontload. Like 1200 mg for 2 weeks and 600 thereafter. That'swhy I'm hasitant to do that again. I feel like I wasted money.

 

[Dr.M]

Man, you guys don't read do you? Like I said, frontload wasn't the right wording. Maybe I should have said "front start"! I know about cycling bro I'mnot a fucken rookie. I know about prop. I just wanted to know if it should replace the dosage or be added to the top of the dosage. Everbody knows you don't frontload with fast acting esters. No shit! READ THE POSTS!

Dude, you dont need the prop, just take your normal shit and frontload with it to bring blood levels up to part quickly. If your going to do say 400mg, do 1200mg your first week, all at once or 400mg per shot 3x that week.

 

[Andy13]

Dude, you dont need the prop, just take your normal shit and frontload with it to bring blood levels up to part quickly. If your going to do say 400mg, do 1200mg your first week, all at once or 400mg per shot 3x that week.

to the guy who started the thread..

1) if you wish to get blood levels up faster using prop, you should use BOTH enanthate and TP.

2) 'front loading' by doubling (or so) your weekly TE in the first few days will accomplish what you are trying to do.. in fact, it is more desirable to do it this way then with TP.

Andy

 

[karmic]

I just take my normal enanthate dose the entire cycle, then I add prop for the first two or three weeks.

Example:
Enanthate weeks 1-10 1000mg
Propionate weeks 1-3 100mg EOD
EQ weeks 1-10 600mg

THAT'S IT!

 

[Metal Gear]

I'm with you 100% brother. That's exactly what I'm going to do starting monday. 1000mg Enanth. + 700 mg Prop. for the first 2 1/2 weeks and then cut out the Prop. (of course with the addition of 100 mg anadrol from week 1-6)

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Andy13]

I'm with you 100% brother. That's exactly what I'm going to do starting monday. 1000mg Enanth. + 700 mg Prop. for the first 2 1/2 weeks and then cut out the Prop. (of course with the addition of 100 mg anadrol from week 1-6)

Thanks for the help guys.

Just out of curiosity.... Are you using the prop b/c you have it and want to get rid of it? Do you know that you can achieve the same 'fast' effect simply by loading the TE in the first week? And, as posted earlier, it is (in theory) more desirable to do it this way as blood levels stay more even.

 

[nautica]

Just out of curiosity.... Are you using the prop b/c you have it and want to get rid of it? Do you know that you can achieve the same 'fast' effect simply by loading the TE in the first week? And, as posted earlier, it is (in theory) more desirable to do it this way as blood levels stay more even.

Andy13, do you think there is a chance he will do a search and find your graphical representation of frontloading????

Nautica

 

[Andy13]

Andy13, do you think there is a chance he will do a search and find your graphical representation of frontloading????

Nautica

Do you think the Lions will win the SuperBowl this year?

 

[nautica]

 

[Diz]

You know what bro, I tried frontloading with EQ last time and it only kicked in maybe 5-7 days earlier and used shit load of it to frontload. Like 1200 mg for 2 weeks and 600 thereafter. That'swhy I'm hasitant to do that again. I feel like I wasted money.

that was my thoughts to.did the same for me.I will be adding two wks to next cycle,fuck the frontload. the only thing I use to get cycle going faster is prop,dbol.

 

[Dr.M]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54385

There is at least one of the magic articles.

 

[Metal Gear]

Like I said, it's not the same to frontlaod a long lasting ester vs. using a fast acting ester until the longer lasting ester kicks in. These are 2 different senarios. With prop you want something there while taking the oral, ie. anadrol untill the Enanth. kicks in. In the other senario, you frontload, you got nothin goingon with the anadrol till week 2 or 3 until it kicks in. I'm not about to frontlaod x 2 or x3 of the regular dose again. That was stupid and a waste of money. Just to have it kick in a few days earier. Prop. cost hell of lot less and is way faster acting.

 

[cinnabar8521]

Hey metal it doesn't matter how many times you explain it some people just will not get it. I use prop the same way, too kick start a cycle with long esters, same thing as using dbol to kick start a cycle. I think you have it all worked out and it sounds good to me, good luck bro.

 

[Andy13]

Like I said, it's not the same to frontlaod a long lasting ester vs. using a fast acting ester until the longer lasting ester kicks in. These are 2 different senarios.

That's incorrect... The same (immediate) blood levels from using prop until the longer ester 'kicks in' can be achieved by simple (proper) loading of the longer ester. This has been demonstrated: mathematically, anecdotally and clinically.

Also, if you think that 'front-end loading is a waste of gear,' than you should believe in pyramiding a cycle as well.. If you do not load longer esters, pyramiding is essentially what you are doing.

Since I don't think you believe in pyramiding, then I can only come to the conclusion that you have either 1) not front loaded longer esters at all or 2) front loading incorrectly..

I'll take your word for it that you have tried it since you said it was 'a waste of gear.' Then you must have not optomized the procedure.. Contrary to what others believe, front loading should not be done over two weeks... It should be done in the first few days.. Otherwise you almost completely defeat the purpose.

Andy

 

[Diz]

That's incorrect... The same (immediate) blood levels from using prop until the longer ester 'kicks in' can be achieved by simple (proper) loading of the longer ester. This has been demonstrated: mathematically, anecdotally and clinically.

Also, if you think that 'front-end loading is a waste of gear,' than you should believe in pyramiding a cycle as well.. If you do not load longer esters, pyramiding is essentially what you are doing.

Since I don't think you believe in pyramiding, then I can only come to the conclusion that you have either 1) not front loaded longer esters at all or 2) front loading incorrectly..

I'll take your word for it that you have tried it since you said it was 'a waste of gear.' Then you must have not optomized the procedure.. Contrary to what others believe, front loading should not be done over two weeks... It should be done in the first few days.. Otherwise you almost completely defeat the purpose.

Andy

no shit?I have only frontload eq and did it during the first two wks.you say the first few days?tell me more.

 

[Metal Gear]

As a matter of fact I did front load deca and another time EQ. I tried it both in first few days and the EQ at another time split up in 2 weeks. With deca I took 1800mg in 1 DAY!! that's 6 cc of 300 mg + Sustenon + insulin + I don't remeber...something else... didn't do shit...next time I was doing EQ 200mg/ml, my regular dosage was 600 mg/week so I split the frontlaod in 2 weeks so it was 2 x regular dosage so I took 1200 mg week 1 and 1200 mg week 2. It kicked in the end of week 2...big deal...only a few days earlier.

Oh btw, I have been doing 2 cc of Enanth. everyother day now + 1 cc of 100mg/ prop everyday since monday and already feel the affects + 100 mg of drol. my total test dosage THIS WEEK will be 1700mg (1000 Enanth. + 700 mg Prop) + 700 mg anadrol = 2400 mg total